Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[Fairview4Life]

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

3 years.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Umm Nick Nurse, Trent, Koloko and OG are all with the Raptors and repped by Klutch. Go through their client list - not all the players are like AD.

[Pointgod]

Ayton's contract isn't actually bad though. 3 years, in his prime, from 32-25 million per year and that's not even considering the fact the cap will be going up fairly significantly over that time and when the TV deal gets renegotiated.

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

Why not both? If we’re trading Siakim why not get both Ayton and Bridges? A Barnes, Bridges, OG 4-2 would be a terror defensively. All you need is a PG that can setup teammates, play defence and hit from 3, you have the foundation of an high floor team.

[douggood]

klutch are not the most powerful nor the biggest agency. they are just the most visible and thus most talked about. caa is most powerful.
just like galen weston is getting beat up over the high food prices, while other stores without "face" are getting less bad publicity.

[Pointgod]

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

Biggest issue with Ayton offensively is that the guy is allergic to contact. He’d be a 20+ point per game scorer if he didn’t have anemic FT attempts.

[Raptorfan2012]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

I think that offer is actually not bad for an expiring FVV. Only thing I'd suggest is have them put in Suggs, Ross, and Isaac. We can include Birch, and Juancho/Banton.

Yeah, Im not sure what some of you expect from a FVV deal when the guy is essentially an expiring contract and is looking for a big deal this offseason and has been having a somewhat down year. I will take whatever assets we can get. Maybe turn Bamba into a bigger Boucher

[ChillPill]

No reason to take on any bad contracts.

[StopitLeo]

Ayton's contract isn't actually bad though. 3 years, in his prime, from 32-25 million per year and that's not even considering the fact the cap will be going up fairly significantly over that time and when the TV deal gets renegotiated.

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

Why not both? If we’re trading Siakim why not get both Ayton and Bridges? A Barnes, Bridges, OG 4-2 would be a terror defensively. All you need is a PG that can setup teammates, play defence and hit from 3, you have the foundation of an high floor team.

So we go from having one guy who can dribble and is a legitimate primary scoring option to having nobody with those skills? We should do everything possible to add an elite player next to Pascal before looking to trade him.

[Los_29]

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

Ayton has been amazing without CP3. Ayton definitely has some question marks but if we can get a guy like him for a deal involving Fred, that would be great value. Ayton is only 24 years old.

[Psubs]

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

Why not both? If we’re trading Siakim why not get both Ayton and Bridges? A Barnes, Bridges, OG 4-2 would be a terror defensively. All you need is a PG that can setup teammates, play defence and hit from 3, you have the foundation of an high floor team.

So we go from having one guy who can dribble and is a legitimate primary scoring option to having nobody with those skills? We should do everything possible to add an elite player next to Pascal before looking to trade him.

Trent can get into the lane and dish it.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Why not both? If we’re trading Siakim why not get both Ayton and Bridges? A Barnes, Bridges, OG 4-2 would be a terror defensively. All you need is a PG that can setup teammates, play defence and hit from 3, you have the foundation of an high floor team.

So we go from having one guy who can dribble and is a legitimate primary scoring option to having nobody with those skills? We should do everything possible to add an elite player next to Pascal before looking to trade him.

Trent can get into the lane and dish it.

[mademan]

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

Ayton has been amazing without CP3. Ayton definitely has some question marks but if we can get a guy like him for a deal involving Fred, that would be great value. Ayton is only 24 years old.

He really hasnt.

[Rodrickle]

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

Ayton has been amazing without CP3. Ayton definitely has some question marks but if we can get a guy like him for a deal involving Fred, that would be great value. Ayton is only 24 years old.

Exactly. He had like TS% of over 70% last year in the playoffs with 18/9 too. He was the starting center for a team which had the highest winning percentage in the NBA for two years. Yes he's a risk, but he's absolutely worth it if you the price is Fred or Trent plus Boucher

[Los_29]

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

Ayton has been amazing without CP3. Ayton definitely has some question marks but if we can get a guy like him for a deal involving Fred, that would be great value. Ayton is only 24 years old.

He really hasnt.

19/10/2 on 63/31/73 without CP3 in three years is pretty good to me. He can play well without CP3.

[StopitLeo]

Why not both? If we’re trading Siakim why not get both Ayton and Bridges? A Barnes, Bridges, OG 4-2 would be a terror defensively. All you need is a PG that can setup teammates, play defence and hit from 3, you have the foundation of an high floor team.

So we go from having one guy who can dribble and is a legitimate primary scoring option to having nobody with those skills? We should do everything possible to add an elite player next to Pascal before looking to trade him.

Trent can get into the lane and dish it.

Yeah, so can OG…./greenfont

[mademan]

Ayton has been amazing without CP3. Ayton definitely has some question marks but if we can get a guy like him for a deal involving Fred, that would be great value. Ayton is only 24 years old.

He really hasnt.

19/10/2 on 63/31/73 without CP3 in three years is pretty good to me. He can play well without CP3.

Theyre 8-1 without him this season. He's a C with good touch who can score. He's a slightly better JV making almost twice as much in a league that doesnt value scoring low post C's. His defense has both been awesome and mediocre over the past 2 years and he has motor and attitude issues.

Stay away from him.

[mademan]

Honestly, is there a big difference between JV and Ayton? I dont really see it besides 1 being paid significantly more and having more attitude issues.

[Raptors_128]

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

Ayton has been amazing without CP3. Ayton definitely has some question marks but if we can get a guy like him for a deal involving Fred, that would be great value. Ayton is only 24 years old.

Exactly. He had like TS% of over 70% last year in the playoffs with 18/9 too. He was the starting center for a team which had the highest winning percentage in the NBA for two years. Yes he's a risk, but he's absolutely worth it if you the price is Fred or Trent plus Boucher

He was fantastic in that finals run for the Suns. Guarded everyone from Jokic to Giannis. He was one of the best Jokic defenders that year too, I think even Jokic admitted that.

He’s overpaid but the talent is still there and he has room to grow.

[Los_29]

He really hasnt.

19/10/2 on 63/31/73 without CP3 in three years is pretty good to me. He can play well without CP3.

Theyre 8-1 without him this season. He's a C with good touch who can score. He's a slightly better JV making almost twice as much in a league that doesnt value scoring low post C's. His defense has both been awesome and mediocre over the past 2 years and he has motor and attitude issues.

Stay away from him.

The Suns are 25-15 without CP3 the past three years. We were 12-2 without Lowry in 2019-20. We were 17-5 without Kawhi in 2018-19.

Ayton's numbers are better and he's just as efficient without CP3.

[tdotrep2]

Honestly, is there a big difference between JV and Ayton? I dont really see it besides 1 being paid significantly more and having more attitude issues.

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