Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread IV (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[James_Raptors]

Fortunately, you don't need a DPOY to win a championship

You dont need the best defender to have the best team defence.

We'll be more than fine without OG

None of that was up for debate.
We won a championship with OG playing 0 minutes and no DPOY....
Then again, our star player, Kawhi has the 3rd highest active (current) Defensive Rating in the entire NBA and previously won DPOY twice. Ya know what else is cool? Without our elite defense we don't even sniff the finals, or ECF for that matter. Did you not see Gasol make Embiid cry? Speaking of Marc Gasol , one sec let me check this to make sure. Oh yes, here we go "former defensive player of the year".

Dang, it's almost like having DPOY type talent helped us win a championship.
Who would have thought both sides of the court were equally as important?
Were you not there to witness the championship?




What's next, "we don't need a reigning MVP to win a championship, we can play team offense and team defense!"?

Yes because the 2019 Raptors were the only team to ever win a championship.

Yes because the only way for us to get back there is to replicate the 2019 team

No, you're wrong. Other teams have won the NBA championship.
(I can provide links, but I'd prefer not to)
No, it's impossible to replicate the 2019 team. Some of the players have retired from the NBA, switched teams, diminished in talent, etc. I should not need to prove this to you, but I guess I can provide some links to prove my point, if need be)

[Bruin]

Just got off the phone with my buddy who’s the Petsitter for the MLSE janitor. No trades going down so y’all can stop hitting F5

[Boogie!]

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Not sure why people are taking it personal on behalf of players that don't even know they exist.

I never once said og was a bad player or Said he wasn't a dpoy nor was he a valuable role player. I actually agree that he is so I guess thank you for putting me in the peer group of respected bask3tball people.

That being said Bruce bowen was 1st team all nba defense countless times, and was always in the running for dpoy, but if I'm a rebuilding team and someone is asking me for Bruce bowen in a trade and I'm getting talent of equal or more value potentially and it addressees other needs on the team, then I'd be stupid not to make that trade. Players like og are valuable on contenders. If I'm contending this year I'm keeping og. In our current situation he's expendable.

Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.

And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.

You keep preaching to ogs skillset which I'm well aware of. I already agreed that he's a great defensive role player. Doesn't mean he's worth hanging on to at all costs.

[TheRaptor!]

None of that was up for debate.
We won a championship with OG playing 0 minutes and no DPOY....
Then again, our star player, Kawhi has the 3rd highest active (current) Defensive Rating in the entire NBA and previously won DPOY twice. Ya know what else is cool? Without our elite defense we don't even sniff the finals, or ECF for that matter. Did you not see Gasol make Embiid cry? Speaking of Marc Gasol , one sec let me check this to make sure. Oh yes, here we go "former defensive player of the year".

Dang, it's almost like having DPOY type talent helped us win a championship.
Who would have thought both sides of the court were equally as important?
Were you not there to witness the championship?




What's next, "we don't need a reigning MVP to win a championship, we can play team offense and team defense!"?

Yes because the 2019 Raptors were the only team to ever win a championship.

Yes because the only way for us to get back there is to replicate the 2019 team

No, you're wrong. Other teams have won the NBA championship.
(I can provide links, but I'd prefer not to)
No, it's impossible to replicate the 2019 team. Some of the players have retired from the NBA, switched teams, diminished in talent, etc. I should not need to prove this to you, but I guess I can provide some links to prove my point, if need be)

I don't know whats worse, your opinion, your sarcasm detector, or your response.

[Michael Jordan]

If I was Masai/Webster I would look to run it back next year with OG, Siakam, Barnes, and GTJ.

Really feel like they weren't surrounded by the correct supporting cast this season, but using the current draft pick, Fred, and future draft pick(s) they could materially improve the core/depth.

[tripa]

Its safe to say that Oakville hoops lied about knowing inside info on the Raptors (again)

Ban him.

[WetLikeWater]

Fred pascal and og and pics for sga! Please!

[Boogie!]

If I was Masai/Webster I would look to run it back next year with OG, Siakam, Barnes, and GTJ.

Really feel like they weren't surrounded by the correct supporting cast this season, but using the current draft pick, Fred, and future draft pick(s) they could materially improve the core/depth.

I'm actuallt not entirely opposed to this. But we both agree fvv needs to go.

[DelAbbot]

I don't really watch other teams anymore unless they face the Raptors. I just watched two straight games of Nets scrubs and had fun watching.

It's very apparent FVV/Siakam ball is not fun to watch. I'm okay with just trading FVV for the sake of trading him. Let's try a new offense.

[tripa]

Whew, thank goodness you "don't mind OG". I'll let him know!

Since his rookie season, OG was thrust into the starting lineup and charged to defend against the toughest offensive players in the league.OG accepted this challenge in his first season, when asked to guard LeBron. If you comprehend that both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively are critical to a team's success, then it's a miniscule leap understanding why
OG is a valuable piece that any team in the league would want and would play in their SL.

This season OG he's garnered some recognition around the league as a possible DPOY candidate.
Sounds like a pretty important "role" that educated basketball people respect for the greatness that it is.

Not sure why people are taking it personal on behalf of players that don't even know they exist.

I never once said og was a bad player or Said he wasn't a dpoy nor was he a valuable role player. I actually agree that he is so I guess thank you for putting me in the peer group of respected bask3tball people.

That being said Bruce bowen was 1st team all nba defense countless times, and was always in the running for dpoy, but if I'm a rebuilding team and someone is asking me for Bruce bowen in a trade and I'm getting talent of equal or more value potentially and it addressees other needs on the team, then I'd be stupid not to make that trade. Players like og are valuable on contenders. If I'm contending this year I'm keeping og. In our current situation he's expendable.

Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.

And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.

Its clear you didnt even bother to read Boogie’s post fully and just saw “Bruce Bowen” and started looking up random stats as fast as you could.

Are you related to someone else on this board?

[PhilBlackson]

Fred pascal and og and pics for sga! Please!

That ship sailed by the time the 1st month of the season was over.

There's literally zero reason for Presti to trade SGA as he's just ascending into stardom & locked up for years.

[WetLikeWater]

[WetLikeWater]

Fred pascal and og and pics for sga! Please!

That ship sailed by the time the 1st month of the season was over.

Bro I'm crying while watching the okc game.. SGA reminds me of kobe so much

[deeps6x]

People also don't give credit to Pascal for the success he's had in the offensive environment he's been put in. He should be better even if he's miscast.

Your post contradicts itself I'm not sure if it's a typo. I'll address it the way it's written and you can correct me after. But in the role he's in, even if he is miscast, he's still doing a pretty **** good job.

Guess I wasn't clear, Pascal isn't a real number 1 but he's being asked to be a number one and doing an amazing job considering he has a very limited amount of shooting around him.
But imagine Pascal on the Nuggets in Aaron Gordon's role. Aaron Gordon is doing a fine job but Pascal would be absolutely killer next to Jokic.

Give us Murray for Siakam, and trade FVV somewhere else

[bballsparkin]

How much return can we realistically expect from a Siakam trade? Did you know Siakam is worse than Aaron Gordon this year? Significantly

Hmmm, what am I missing here Del?

[Bruin]

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[tripa]

How much return can we realistically expect from a Siakam trade? Did you know Siakam is worse than Aaron Gordon this year? Significantly

Hmmm, what am I missing here Del?

Have you checked out his net rating?

[Boogie!]

Read on Twitter

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How good would the warriors be sith lamelo?

[James_Raptors]

Not sure why people are taking it personal on behalf of players that don't even know they exist.

I never once said og was a bad player or Said he wasn't a dpoy nor was he a valuable role player. I actually agree that he is so I guess thank you for putting me in the peer group of respected bask3tball people.

That being said Bruce bowen was 1st team all nba defense countless times, and was always in the running for dpoy, but if I'm a rebuilding team and someone is asking me for Bruce bowen in a trade and I'm getting talent of equal or more value potentially and it addressees other needs on the team, then I'd be stupid not to make that trade. Players like og are valuable on contenders. If I'm contending this year I'm keeping og. In our current situation he's expendable.

Bruce Bowen, was an elite defensive 6.1ppg specialist. One of the greatest defenders in the NBA history, that was very rarely asked to shoot basketballs into the peach basket. His highest offensive production (8.1 ppg) was a 5th option in 2005.OG is actually relied on to score and in general has more tools, and versatility to his game.

And that brings me to another point. Believe it or not, the game has changed quite a bit over the last few years (thank you Phoenix, Golden State, etc). Bruce may be elite defensively in today's game, or maybe not (I want to believe he would still be amazing). But his responsibilities would be more difficult. The range you have to cover in the NBA as an elite 3+D wingman is ridiculous. And that's without getting into all the rule changes that favor offenses. OG has and will continue to cover all 5 positions. Big or small, he takes on all challengers.

You keep preaching to ogs skillset which I'm well aware of. I already agreed that he's a great defensive role player. Doesn't mean he's worth hanging on to at all costs.

What does "hanging on to at all costs" have to do with anything I just typed, or anything I've ever communicated to you in my life? Nowhere was I "preaching OG's skillset" either. There's no need to just make things up. Furthermore you're not actually addressing facts. You're glossing over them, changing topics and talking in circles. It never seems to have an ending. Is that your intention?

My loyalty is to the front of the jersey, Toronto, the city I was born, over half a century ago. Every single player is tradeable and if I were the GM I would listen and execute that transaction if the offer made the Raptors better. If that meant waving goodbye to OG the second after I clicked submit on this post, I'd be over to OG's helping him pack his bags.

[dgr81]

The Raptors remain the team to watch ahead of Thursday’s trade deadline, sources tell Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports. Pascal Siakam doesn’t appear likely to be moved, although numerous teams have expressed interest, but sources point to OG Anunoby, Fred VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr. as more realistic trade candidates.

Fischer cites the Pelicans, Grizzlies, Knicks, Pacers, Trail Blazers, Lakers, Suns and Nets as teams that have recently been linked to Anunoby, although he states that there is “varying interest” around the league. Fischer’s sources confirm that Toronto is placing a premium price on the 24-year-old wing, which other front offices are calling “quite steep.”

Fischer also raises the possibility that offers for Anunoby will be lessened because of the chance that Kevin Durant might be available this summer in the wake of the Kyrie Irving trade. Although Durant hasn’t indicated to the Nets that he plans to issue another trade request, league insiders tell Fischer that several teams are planning to stockpile their resources in case it happens.

Fischer passes along a few more rumors heading into the deadline:

Multiple executives from other teams see VanVleet as the most likely Raptor to be moved this week. Fischer notes that the Clippers and Suns have been linked to VanVleet in trade rumors, and hears that the Lakers, Magic and Timberwolves have expressed interest as well.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/02/fischers-latest-anunoby-vanvleet-clippers-hornets-mcgee-bogdanovic.html