Remind me why the Raptors traded Norman Powell

[OakleyDokely]

You could summarize their posts: Massi infallible.

[YogurtProducer]

It was a gamble that didn't payoff.

I would argue that saying "it did not payoff" is a little ridiculous.

Norm per 36 - 23/4/2.5, 1.1stl, 2.3tos
GTJ per 36 - 20/3/2, 1.8stl, 0.9tos

Norm is more efficient 61TS% vs 56TS%

Norm is 5 years older

Norm at 24 (GTJ's age) per 36 - 14/3/3, 1.3st, 2.2tos, 49TS%

Like sheesh - you guys want youth but don't want to sit through the growing pains

[Psubs]

Just crazy you haven't applied for the job yet.

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

I mentioned Kessler and Bane 100 times. I should be hired as a Scout.

[OakleyDokely]

It was a gamble that didn't payoff.

I would argue that saying "it did not payoff" is a little ridiculous.

Norm per 36 - 23/4/2.5, 1.1stl, 2.3tos
GTJ per 36 - 20/3/2, 1.8stl, 0.9tos

Norm is more efficient 61TS% vs 56TS%

Norm is 5 years older

Norm at 24 (GTJ's age) per 36 - 14/3/3, 1.3st, 2.2tos, 49TS%

Like sheesh - you guys want youth but don't want to sit through the growing pains

Everyone would love to trade their older, more expensive player for the exact same player, just younger and cheaper. But it doesn't work like that. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.

When you trade a good player for picks/prospects, it's likely that you sent out the best player now and possibly in the future as well. That's why teams try to hold onto as much good talent as possible until they absolutely have to make a move.

[OakleyDokely]

Don't know why you all are so defensive about it. Like I said, nobody's perfect. Instead of insulting me, take a break and maybe question the direction of the team instead,

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

I mentioned Kessler and Bane 100 times. I should be hired as a Scout.

No Jokic? You're fired.

[Psubs]

I'm not insulting you.

You've said in previous threads that a GM is an easy job to do and isn't a competitive job to get. Considering you're passionate about the team and it pays really well, and you have incredible insight into drafting players like Kessler (despite only mentioning him once). It's just surprising that you haven't acquired this really easily to get, high paying job.

I mentioned Kessler and Bane 100 times. I should be hired as a Scout.

No Jokic? You're fired.

Him and Marc Gasol in the 2nd round are such outliers.

Well I wanted Tyrese Maxey for Lowry but instead we got Precious.

[bape_lovers]

Masai crucified for “loving our core players” but also crucified for trading “our core players”. Never win.

It was a gamble that didn't payoff.

I would argue that saying "it did not payoff" is a little ridiculous.

Norm per 36 - 23/4/2.5, 1.1stl, 2.3tos
GTJ per 36 - 20/3/2, 1.8stl, 0.9tos

Norm is more efficient 61TS% vs 56TS%

Norm is 5 years older

Norm at 24 (GTJ's age) per 36 - 14/3/3, 1.3st, 2.2tos, 49TS%

Like sheesh - you guys want youth but don't want to sit through the growing pains

[bape_lovers]

Well I want Luka, but Dallas didn’t pick up my call

I mentioned Kessler and Bane 100 times. I should be hired as a Scout.

No Jokic? You're fired.

Him and Marc Gasol in the 2nd round are such outliers.

Well I wanted Tyrese Maxey for Lowry but instead we got Precious.

[Lord_Zedd]

So we can make big moves with our limited cap hold that summer, and sign Birch to that ridiculous 3 year $21 million deal

[Tom_Foolery]

It was a gamble that didn't payoff.

I would argue that saying "it did not payoff" is a little ridiculous.

Norm per 36 - 23/4/2.5, 1.1stl, 2.3tos
GTJ per 36 - 20/3/2, 1.8stl, 0.9tos

Norm is more efficient 61TS% vs 56TS%

Norm is 5 years older

Norm at 24 (GTJ's age) per 36 - 14/3/3, 1.3st, 2.2tos, 49TS%

Like sheesh - you guys want youth but don't want to sit through the growing pains

At the end of the day I'd rather have Norm.

GT didn't pan out while norm is still balling. It is what it is.

And GT will probably walk this offseason.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Seriously though people complaining about how we should tank but want to keep Norm lol

[ItsDanger]

If you trade Norm, continue, trade at least Fred. Missed opportunity. From the outside, appears to be inconsistent. I would have started 2 years ago, keeping Scottie & OG. And this isn't a binary option here. Besides, whether you agree with the macro approach, is it off limits to comment on the net return of a trade? Why? Makes zero sense, just like the direction of this team.

[Jadoogar]

It was a gamble that didn't payoff.

I would argue that saying "it did not payoff" is a little ridiculous.

Norm per 36 - 23/4/2.5, 1.1stl, 2.3tos
GTJ per 36 - 20/3/2, 1.8stl, 0.9tos

Norm is more efficient 61TS% vs 56TS%

Norm is 5 years older

Norm at 24 (GTJ's age) per 36 - 14/3/3, 1.3st, 2.2tos, 49TS%

Like sheesh - you guys want youth but don't want to sit through the growing pains

I was fine with the initial trade. Basically trading for a younger version of Norm.

I did not like the subsequent contract for GTJ. We gave him the same annual amount as Norm but only got 2 years guaranteed with a player option that he was almost certainly going to turn down. We took on more risk without any upside to the contract. Worst case, he's awful and picks up a player option for above his value. Best case, he plays really well and knows he's worth more than 18M and declines the player option.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

If you trade Norm, continue, trade at least Fred. Missed opportunity. From the outside, appears to be inconsistent. I would have started 2 years ago, keeping Scottie & OG. And this isn't a binary option here. Besides, whether you agree with the macro approach, is it off limits to comment on the net return of a trade? Why? Makes zero sense, just like the direction of this team.

the entire front office strategy is way off. like get these MFs some elite shooters and some high IQ guys. Raptors bench have been futiity at its worse. some low IQ guys like Precious and Boucher and I don't know what wing players we had there but our guard play has been abysmal. we used 4 years to determine if Flynn was a good player or not.

[YogurtProducer]

It was a gamble that didn't payoff.

I would argue that saying "it did not payoff" is a little ridiculous.

Norm per 36 - 23/4/2.5, 1.1stl, 2.3tos
GTJ per 36 - 20/3/2, 1.8stl, 0.9tos

Norm is more efficient 61TS% vs 56TS%

Norm is 5 years older

Norm at 24 (GTJ's age) per 36 - 14/3/3, 1.3st, 2.2tos, 49TS%

Like sheesh - you guys want youth but don't want to sit through the growing pains

At the end of the day I'd rather have Norm.

GT didn't pan out while norm is still balling. It is what it is.

And GT will probably walk this offseason.

I also would rather have Norm TODAY.

What about in 3 years when GTJ is still a starter/6th man, and Norm is 32 and likely a 10mpg guy?

[Tom_Foolery]

I also would rather have Norm TODAY.

What about in 3 years when GTJ is still a starter/6th man, and Norm is 32 and likely a 10mpg guy?

I'd probably still want Norm 3 years from now.

I'm done with the Trent experiment. He wants to be a starter making big money, but he's not consistent enough to justify his price tag.

[YogurtProducer]

I also would rather have Norm TODAY.

What about in 3 years when GTJ is still a starter/6th man, and Norm is 32 and likely a 10mpg guy?

I'd probably still want Norm 3 years from now.

I'm done with the Trent experiment. He wants to be a starter making big money, but he's not consistent enough to justify his price tag.

Every single NBA player wants this. Come on man.

The irony is how all the GTJ complains are the same Norm complaints we got from him in his early years.

[Tom_Foolery]

I also would rather have Norm TODAY.

What about in 3 years when GTJ is still a starter/6th man, and Norm is 32 and likely a 10mpg guy?

I'd probably still want Norm 3 years from now.

I'm done with the Trent experiment. He wants to be a starter making big money, but he's not consistent enough to justify his price tag.

Every single NBA player wants this. Come on man.

The irony is how all the GTJ complains are the same Norm complaints we got from him in his early years.

Yeah but are they worth it?

He hasn't justified maxing out his price tag.

Plus we can't really afford it.

[YogurtProducer]

I'd probably still want Norm 3 years from now.

I'm done with the Trent experiment. He wants to be a starter making big money, but he's not consistent enough to justify his price tag.

Every single NBA player wants this. Come on man.

The irony is how all the GTJ complains are the same Norm complaints we got from him in his early years.

Yeah but are they worth it?

He hasn't justified maxing out his price tag.

Plus we can't really afford it.

Why do you think we are "maxing out his price tag" and also what does that even mean?

[Kevin Willis]

Problem was GT Jr regressed this year. If he improved even a little bit this wouldn't be a discussion because Masai would be a genious.