Pascal Siakam Trade Speculation Thread

[Michael Jordan]

If Siakam ends up walking in free agency for nothing like Fred, Gasol, and Ibaka - that's grounds for terminating Bobby and Masai. They had last years trade deadline and the off-season to deal him.

Philly could successfully entice him in the summer.

[bboyskinnylegs]

IF it's the Pacers, and let's assume both aren't coming back in a trade, who is the better fit between Mathurin and Walker as the primary piece in a Pascal deal?

[WuTang_CMB]

Too bad Dallas has nothing to offer because that is a spot I bet he would extend in due to connections there + Luka Doncic. I'd take Lively but there needs to be more.

[Hero_Panda]

Too bad Dallas has nothing to offer because that is a spot I bet he would extend in due to connections there.

You would think the least that could have been done from Pascal's camp is to offer some destinations he would re-sign with, and make it package competition with those teams.

[Pericles]

The Pacers and Raptors are ideal trade partners. They have
need for frontcourt scoring and championship experience and we need young talent. After the Barrett and Quickley acquisition, our need is for frontcourt talent. I think a deal around Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson for Siakam is a good one.

[Hero_Panda]

The Pacers are Raptors are ideal trade partners. They have
need for frontcourt scoring and championship experience and we need you talent. After the Barrett and Quickley acquisition, our need is for frontcourt talent. I think a deal around Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson for Siakam is a good one.

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

[mademan]

Problem from the Pacers end is salary. Hield is a good player for them, as is Brown. I think if they had a big contract they could trade that they didnt need, Siakam would be a Pacer right now. But we dont value their big contract guys in a trade for Siakam and they do. Hard to overcome that disconnect.

[mademan]

The Pacers are Raptors are ideal trade partners. They have
need for frontcourt scoring and championship experience and we need you talent. After the Barrett and Quickley acquisition, our need is for frontcourt talent. I think a deal around Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson for Siakam is a good one.

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

Which brings us back to Dallas. Why would a team with the worst assets of all the mentioned teams be the betting fav? Has to be because Siakam wants to go there.

Im already talking my self into Hardy and Omax, lmao.

[Jerry Lucas]

Warriors fan here.
No deal.
I don’t want Siakim that much.
I think Porter has declined from the guy Warriors had in 2022 so Porter does not help much.

Because Draymond and Siakim are both power forwards I don’t think Siakim is a good fit with the Warriors.

But I do want Dejounte Murray.
Hawks do want Siskim if his contract is extended.
Hawks don’t think Siakim wants the Hawks.

Both Hawks and Raptors say they want players not draft picks because they both claim that they are too good to be rebuilding teams. I want the Warriors to win a champion now because I think the Warriors will be too old to win championships after this season.

If the Warriors lose Klay or if Klay does not play well the Warriors are not winning a championship even with Siakim or Dejounte Murray added to the team.

In my opinion Kuminga has a 50% chance of being as good as Siskin is now in 2 years.

So my trade checker approved trade:

Too the Raptors
Kuminga
2 Warriors 1st round picks
2 Hawks 2nd round picks
Chris Paul’s expiring contract
Patty Mills filler contract. You can cut him.

To the Hawks
Extended Siakim
Moses Moody (to replace Murray)

To the Warriors
DeJounte Murray
Otto Porter
Porter may not play for the Warriors but somebody has to replace Kuminga. Warriors can turn to Porter Wiggins Garuba or Trayce Jackson Davis to replace Kuminga.

This trade does not work in the trade checker because the Hawks would be taking on 16.7M more in salary than they're sending out. Since they are not an over apron team, and they are sending out between $7,500,000 and $29.0M in salary, they are only able to take back $7.5M more than the salary they are sending out. Here's a similar version of the trade that actually works.

TOR gets
CP3
DeAndre Hunter
Kuminga
Gui Santos
2 Warriors 1sts
2 Hawks 2nds

ATL gets
Siakam
Moses Moody
Jalen McDaniels

GSW gets
Dejounte Murray
Otto
Thad Young
Patty Mills

Trade checker told me my deal worked if I waited for Jan 9 so that Murray could be traded. But your deal is fine with me.

I wonder if Patty Mills can still play. I wonder if Warrios want Thad young. No problem Warriors can cut them.

I wonder how much the Hawks value DeAndre Hunter.

Edit, after checking Warriors will cut Patty Mills and Thad Young after the trade.

Hawks may have a use for Mcdaniels because they are losing Hunter. Since Hawks are getting the best player in the trade it is fair for them to lose Hunter. The trade hinges on whether Siakim is willing to extend his deal so that he will not be a free agent that leaves the Hawks.

I sent McDaniels to the Hawks and the 3 old expirings to the Warriors because I assumed the Warriors would prefer expirings over a non-expiring player who can't even consistently crack the Raptors rotation. If you think the Warriors would have a use for McDaniels he can easily be swapped with 1 of Thad/Mills in this trade framework.

That revised deal is pretty bad. We already have one overpaid guy in Barrett, I don't think we need another in Hunter

Here's a simpler version of this trade that doesn't involve the Raptors taking on Hunter:

TOR gets
CP3
Kuminga
2 Warriors 1sts
2 Hawks 2nds

ATL gets
Siakam
Moses Moody

GSW gets
Dejounte Murray
DeAndre Hunter

[goinrogue]

A bit surprised there are no lakers rumours. They have some young players to give up and matching salary.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

He had that chance for years now and he clearly shows can’t take us to the next level. Did you not see his dreadful 4th quarter playoff performances since the bubble?

I’m happy he’s become a very good offensive player. But he’s still a huge liability in the playoffs, doesn’t play proper D anymore and still wants max money. That’s going to push Scottie further out of the picture and possibility of building a deep bench unit.

What’s your point? I’m not saying Pascal is the guy (he’s not). I’m saying it’s ridiculous to call his conduct “detrimental” when all is he doing is saying he’d ideally like to stay where he is, and if not he would rather test the market as a UFA.

You just said Pascal wanted to be the guy and now you’re changing the topic to conduct. We don’t really know what Pascal wants because he, his agent, and Masai are all saying different things.

But at this point, it’s better just to move on. You’ve maximized all you can from a 27th pick and now you have to look to the new generation. He’s not getting any younger or that much better so what’s the point of keeping him here and paying him ludicrous amounts of money? If you say loyalty…

Just like the OG trade, Masai has shown that your old playbook of tank or "go for it" is irrelevant.

This team is looking to compete while having young pieces (just like 2018-20). We didn't worry about player "timelines", we just developed on the fly. The question is what is the best use of this "asset" right now in our current context?

If we agree Scottie is going to be a superstar, I would say we have the right mix of youth and experience right now to contend in the next few years. Why would we deviate from what worked?

Also, Pascal is having the most efficient season of his career, so maybe he is getting better?

[bboyskinnylegs]

The Pacers are Raptors are ideal trade partners. They have
need for frontcourt scoring and championship experience and we need you talent. After the Barrett and Quickley acquisition, our need is for frontcourt talent. I think a deal around Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson for Siakam is a good one.

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

Which brings us back to Dallas. Why would a team with the worst assets of all the mentioned teams be the betting fav? Has to be because Siakam wants to go there.

Im already talking my self into Hardy and Omax, lmao.

Dallas is in a tough spot just trying to come up with the salaries to make a deal work, let alone trying to get us the young players we would require in a Pascal deal. The most slanted legal deal they can make is Grant Williams+THJ for Pascal, which has them taking on an extra 7.5M.

[ArthurVandelay]

Hawks fans say DJM signed the extension to stop the trade to Toronto for Siakam over the summer

Agreement was done with understanding he’d be traded where he wanted to go

Interesting

[mademan]

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

Which brings us back to Dallas. Why would a team with the worst assets of all the mentioned teams be the betting fav? Has to be because Siakam wants to go there.

Im already talking my self into Hardy and Omax, lmao.

Dallas is in a tough spot just trying to come up with the salaries to make a deal work, let alone trying to get us the young players we would require in a Pascal deal. The most slanted legal deal they can make is Grant Williams+THJ for Pascal, which has them taking on an extra 7.5M.

ya, thats the big impediment. But thats the big impediment to a Pacers trade too. Trading a 30mill salary mid season is never easy

[WuTang_CMB]

no noise in media re: Dallas means they got an offer for him

[___Rand___]

Indy package pls

I want Pascal on Indy. They need him the most, and that team will also be the most aesthetically pleasing. I don't care if they're in the East. We already traded with division rivals.

[James_Raptors]

IF it's the Pacers, and let's assume both aren't coming back in a trade, who is the better fit between Mathurin and Walker as the primary piece in a Pascal deal?

Nesmith.

[___Rand___]

The Pacers are Raptors are ideal trade partners. They have
need for frontcourt scoring and championship experience and we need you talent. After the Barrett and Quickley acquisition, our need is for frontcourt talent. I think a deal around Jarace Walker and Isaiah Jackson for Siakam is a good one.

Pacers will not trade for Pascal if he's stated he will not re-sign with them.

Pascal and his no-name agent want the most money for Pascal. If Pacers give him the most, and if I'm not mistaken as his former team they'd be the only one who can offer him a 5-year deal, I think he'd take it. This is the last big contract for Pascal.

[Raptorland23]

If Siakam ends up walking in free agency for nothing like Fred, Gasol, and Ibaka - that's grounds for terminating Bobby and Masai. They had last years trade deadline and the off-season to deal him.

Philly could successfully entice him in the summer.

Agreed, they should both be fired if that happens, likely Bobby will go first though.

Let’s be clear here to, Siakam is not resigning here, there will be multiple teams offering max and the relationship is over in Toronto

If he is not moved by the deadline he is gone for nothing.

[MoneyBall]

I gotta believe the better the Knicks do with OG after giving up their best prospect, the better our chances are of getting a similar deal for Pascal.