Raptors attempting to trade up in the draft

[OakleyDokely]

Don't understand when people say Poeltl blocks a guy like Edey. Unless Poeltl can play 48 minutes for 82 games, they need another guy to play ~20 mins a game since KO is more of a 4, and they really have nothing beyond that upfront.

Lol

RealGm: Masai is the worst, he never get a Stretch 5

Masai swings a great deal to get a very solid and recognized stretch 5 in KO

RealGm: our stretch 5 is actually not a stretch 5 cause we said so.

You can play KO at 5 in spurts, but I don't think the Raps defense can sustain that.

The Raps were using him primarily as a C due to all the injuries, but he's split his time between F and C over most his career.

[ConSarnit]

What if you have attach the 19th pick to do it?

That wouldn't be a wash.

Ya I wouldn’t be too happy about that honestly.

For me it would be Brown and the 19th

or

Poeltl and the 31st.

In an ideal world:

Kennard + flotsam + 9

for

Poeltl + 31

-soft reset on the Poeltl trade

-get our draft target at #9

-take step back next year to get top 5 pick

-possibly address C of the future with 9/19 or ‘25 1st

-if we still desire a somewhat competent C then overpay Goga Bitadze at 2/20. He looked solid in ORL this past season but got pushed out of the rotation behind WCJ and Isaac

I agree that I probably wouldn’t want to give up 19 to get to 9 but there are possible downstream upsides like making our 2025 pick better by getting rid of Poeltl. Basically it’s Poeltl, 19th and 10th (‘25 1st) vs 9 and top 5 in ‘25. In a vacuum it’s not terrible considering moving from 19 > 9 probably costs another pick between 17-23 (which is probably Poeltl’s value). If we have to take back salary that changes the equation though.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Don't understand when people say Poeltl blocks a guy like Edey. Unless Poeltl can play 48 minutes for 82 games, they need another guy to play ~20 mins a game since KO is more of a 4, and they really have nothing beyond that upfront.

Lol

RealGm: Masai is the worst, he never get a Stretch 5

Masai swings a great deal to get a very solid and recognized stretch 5 in KO

RealGm: our stretch 5 is actually not a stretch 5 cause we said so.

You can play KO at 5 in spurts, but I don't think the Raps defense can sustain that.

The Raps were using him primarily as a C due to all the injuries, but he's split his time between F and C over most his career.

He has played centre exclusively 7 out of his 11 seasons in the league......

This is just what it means to have a stretch 5...they aren't always the best defenders as they tend to be soft as baby sh**. And don't give me examples like Miles Turner - guy gets hunts blocks and plays terrible team defence.

[OakleyDokely]

Lol

RealGm: Masai is the worst, he never get a Stretch 5

Masai swings a great deal to get a very solid and recognized stretch 5 in KO

RealGm: our stretch 5 is actually not a stretch 5 cause we said so.

You can play KO at 5 in spurts, but I don't think the Raps defense can sustain that.

The Raps were using him primarily as a C due to all the injuries, but he's split his time between F and C over most his career.

He has played centre exclusively 7 out of his 11 seasons in the league......

This is just what it means to have a stretch 5...they aren't always the best defenders as they tend to be soft as baby sh**. And don't give me examples like Miles Turner - guy gets hunts blocks and plays terrible team defence.

In Miami, it was a 35/65 split and he played a lot next to Bam. In Utah, it was 45/55 split.

He hasn't played primarily the C position since his days in Boston almost a decade ago other than his 1 season with the terrible Pistons.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olynyke01.html

[WuTang_CMB]

Don't understand when people say Poeltl blocks a guy like Edey. Unless Poeltl can play 48 minutes for 82 games, they need another guy to play ~20 mins a game since KO is more of a 4, and they really have nothing beyond that upfront.

Lol

RealGm: Masai is the worst, he never get a Stretch 5

Masai swings a great deal to get a very solid and recognized stretch 5 in KO

RealGm: our stretch 5 is actually not a stretch 5 cause we said so.

Sure on offense next to Bam. On defense if he's our sole guy in the paint, we are cooked. He will give you a big zero in rim protection as he's done his whole career.

[deeps6x]

Ya I wouldn’t be too happy about that honestly.

For me it would be Brown and the 19th

or

Poeltl and the 31st.

In an ideal world:

Kennard + flotsam + 9

for

Poeltl + 31

-soft reset on the Poeltl trade

-get our draft target at #9

-take step back next year to get top 5 pick

-possibly address C of the future with 9/19 or ‘25 1st

-if we still desire a somewhat competent C then overpay Goga Bitadze at 2/20. He looked solid in ORL this past season but got pushed out of the rotation behind WCJ and Isaac

I agree that I probably wouldn’t want to give up 19 to get to 9 but there are possible downstream upsides like making our 2025 pick better by getting rid of Poeltl. Basically it’s Poeltl, 19th and 10th (‘25 1st) vs 9 and top 5 in ‘25. In a vacuum it’s not terrible considering moving from 19 > 9 probably costs another pick between 17-23 (which is probably Poeltl’s value). If we have to take back salary that changes the equation though.

I could see Poeltl + 31 for 9 and salary filler. But only if they are planning to draft Edey (or Clinghan if he falls) with #9.

I'd add Poeltl doesn't block Edey (comment from earlier in this thread). Nobody was saying that. I don't even know where that comes from. The ONLY reason we'd trade Poeltl now is because we might really want Edey, and KNOW he won't make it to #19. And Poeltl is the only asset we'd be willing to part with that could get us into the lottery high enough to take Edey.

And yeah, Edey isn't even a perfect fit. Wings torch him all the time. But he might be one of the top 3 centers in this draft, and he 'might' be a better building block then Poeltl - for the Raptors - as his age would align better with Scottie/IQ/Dick/RJ/2025&2026 FRPs. And if we suck hard enough next season, which we might do with Edey as our rookie starting C, then yeah, that only helps us get a better draft pick next year - in the loaded 2025 draft.

[mrdressup]

I expect us to trade out of the first round to acquire a washed up vet. Then at 31 we' ll pick the shortest player available. Believe me, nothing good is happening. Fairy tales are not real. If we trade up it's for Yves Missi. We can never get enough Cameroonians on this team.

[Clutch0z24]

Step 1: Trade lottery pick for a role player
Step 2: Trade assets to get back into the lottery.

This is embarassing at this point. Stop, take the L, and focus on next year's draft. The Spurs pick is a sunk cost. Learn from this mistake and don't let it happen again. Don't waste assets trying to fix it now. It's too late.

Lol I see what your did there when we trade for him he’s a role player but when we trade him away it’s considered giving up assets

We're not getting back into the lottery by trading Poeltl alone. We'd need to include one or both of 19 and 31, which would be idiotic asset management.

I guess but it depends what Masai sees in the player selected with the pick he would be trading up for....And how it looks in the future....Could go either way but yeah should have just not traded the pick in the first place if your trying to move up...

[Lord_Zedd]

We blew an 8th pick along with some 2nds for Poeltl.

Why are we doubling down on a sunk cost AND willingly adding our 19th/31st pick for the 9th pick?

Not to mention, in a perceived "bad" draft as this one, there's not much of a drop off from 9 to 19.

[Clutch0z24]

We blew an 8th pick along with some 2nds for Poeltl.

Why are we doubling down on a sunk cost AND willingly adding our 19th/31st pick for the 9th pick?

Not to mention, in a perceived "bad" draft as this one, there's not much of a drop off from 9 to 19.

Its dumb but maybe Masai sees a "Giannis" in one of the players hes trading up for who knows with Masai

[Duffman100]

We blew an 8th pick along with some 2nds for Poeltl.

Why are we doubling down on a sunk cost AND willingly adding our 19th/31st pick for the 9th pick?

Not to mention, in a perceived "bad" draft as this one, there's not much of a drop off from 9 to 19.

If there's a player they really like... I don't mind it. They've shown the ability to single about talent and hit in the draft.

[Psubs]

I expect us to trade out of the first round to acquire a washed up vet. Then at 31 we' ll pick the shortest player available. Believe me, nothing good is happening. Fairy tales are not real. If we trade up it's for Yves Missi. We can never get enough Cameroonians on this team.

If you want a Cameroonian draft Ulrich Chomche in the 2nd round.

Carrington and Chomche; draft the 18 year olds!

[Psubs]

We blew an 8th pick along with some 2nds for Poeltl.

Why are we doubling down on a sunk cost AND willingly adding our 19th/31st pick for the 9th pick?

Not to mention, in a perceived "bad" draft as this one, there's not much of a drop off from 9 to 19.

Trade Poeltl for #9 and Brandon Clark and draft Buzelis or Holland.

Trade #19, Boucher and Agbaji for #14 and Malcolm Brodgon and draft Carlton Carrington.

Trade #31 for two 2nd picks and draft Ulrich Chomche and (Bona, Djurisic, Ighodaro, Enrique Freeman or Mantas Rubstavicius)

[Landomar]

Poeltl to Memphis for #9 is interesting. He is a very good fit for them, and it would be a reset of the Poeltl trade for us (which we might want to do, given how the situation has changed since then).

My guess at the trade would be Poeltl + 31 for 9, Clarke, and Z.Williams. I think we'd be targeting Edey there, although it could be anyone, it's hard to get a read on what Masai wants to do. I'll also guess we take Carrington at #19.

2024 Development Year

Quickley / Carrington
Barrett / Dick / Freeman-Liberty
Agbaji / Z.Williams / McDaniels
Barnes / Clarke / Boucher
Edey / Olynyk

[TRik]

It’s the right move if we’re trying to finally show Barnes we’re prioritising building with his timeline.

I’m definitely in the camp that has lost trust in the FO, but can’t hate on them for trying to move up in the draft.

If it’s also trying for Edey I’m ok with that. Sam Vecenie was just on the new Will Lou pod saying he was a big believer that Edey has what it takes to be a solid NBA player.

[dkb964]

If everyone seems to think the trade was a bad idea knowing where the pick landed at 8th pick for Poeltl why in the hell would the Grizzles trade the 9th pick and other assets for for him?

[PhilBlackson]

If everyone seems to think it was a bad idea knowing where it landed to the 8th pick for Poeltl why in the hell would the Grizzles trade the 9th pick and other assets for for him?

A thing called context is why...

For a rebuilding team like ours who was in deep in the lottery despite having most of their players available to them at the time of the trade and who was missing the Playoffs more often than not. Who also is nowhere remotely near contention with him on the roster. It didn’t and doesn’t make sense to have Poeltl who he himself said he didn’t want to be a part of a rebuild and now finds himself in that position when the franchise changed course on him…

For MEM on the other hand that has an obvious superstar, a budding young core in Bane & JJJ who are all closer to their primes, that had been in the Playoffs and was ascending and who added another good vet (Smart) with yet another good young player (GG) plus Poeltl’s addition will likely help them contend which makes TOTAL sense!

But somehow that evades you?!?

[MainEvent]

It’s the right move if we’re trying to finally show Barnes we’re prioritising building with his timeline.

I’m definitely in the camp that has lost trust in the FO, but can’t hate on them for trying to move up in the draft.

If it’s also trying for Edey I’m ok with that. Sam Vecenie was just on the new Will Lou pod saying he was a big believer that Edey has what it takes to be a solid NBA player.

In that pod Sam also said he might not be playable in the playoffs

[djsunyc]

This franchise is just a walking L at this point. Trade a lottery pick for a role player then try to trade back into the lottery lmao

And the dude they are presumably targeting (Edey) is blocked by the dude they traded the lottery pick for (Poeltl)

Really cant make this up the league is probably as open as its ever been but we are so far away.

but you guys just did make it up. koc is not a source nor did he say the raptors are trying to trade back into the lottery. you've also made up targets, etc and what we are trying to trade.

[Merit]

There is absolutely no truth to this rumour

This is a team in the lottery putting this out there to increase the value of their pick. No one wants to move up in the draft. Half the teams are trying to trade out completely.

If anything, they’re suggesting the Raps could be a third team involved and would get draft compensation for facilitating other moves.