ImageImageImageImageImage

2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6

Moderators: DG88, niQ, Duffman100, tsherkin, Reeko, lebron stopper, HiJiNX, Morris_Shatford, 7 Footer

User avatar
Psubs
RealGM
Posts: 20,806
And1: 11,890
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Toronto

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#121 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:07 am

mtcan wrote:
Jtoneller1 wrote:An interesting ceiling comp for Maluach that I haven't heard is Raptors Serge Ibaka. A good but not great shot blocker with solid switchability. Not a lot of advanced post moves but nice touch on simple hook shots. Can drill set threes and pick n pops on low volume and make his free throws. Little self creation and questionable decision making at times.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using RealGM mobile app

Ya...that's possible...except longer than Serge ever was. Like I said...the agility and fluidity he moves with is really promising.


Serge is 6'10 with a 7'3 wingpsan. That is like Onyeka Okongwu. Rasheer Fleming at 6'9 with 7'5 wingspan is pretty close and can shoot the 3 like Serge. :nod:
Image
mtcan
RealGM
Posts: 27,817
And1: 24,253
Joined: May 19, 2001

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#122 » by mtcan » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:08 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:For Maluach Visa issues....If he legit can't leave the States or get back in if we draft him.....His agents, He himself will prolly push for us to not draft him....Playing limited games in the NBA due to Visa issues would not benefit him or anyone around him....Imagine we make the playoffs and he can't travel with the team...Seems like a bad situation....But we will see how it plays out...

I agree...that if there are any concerns regarding his eligibility and teams probably do their homework...he probably doesn't get drafted at all.

Maybe Adam Silver gets an exemption on all NBA players that any player under contract with an NBA team is safe. Because guys like Embiid who is a naturalized citizen but a native of Cameroon or Giannis who is of African descent but a Greek passport holder is at just as much risk to be detained and deported. The optics of that would be terrible and embarrassing for the league. I have less concern about the white Europeans because I don't think Trump is targeting them...it's the black and brown guys (and Chinese if there area any?) that I think are disproportionately targeted...regardless of their status as citizens or visa holders.

How bad would it be if other non-American stars of not just the NBA but MLB and NHL also get the treatment from ICE and CBP agents? So Shuhei Ohtani, all of the Dominicans and Cubans get detained when crossing the border? That can't happen. Bad for business.
User avatar
Clutch0z24
General Manager
Posts: 9,820
And1: 9,892
Joined: May 08, 2014
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#123 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:22 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Tyler Rucker shares same concerns with KM



They said if your drafting him your getting a good back up Center.....But my biggest concern is the fit on our team....I think the only way Maluach has a big impact on the team he goes to is if they have a PG who can break the defense down by himself and is great lob passer.....IQ/RJ are not really good at this....Flagg was pretty acceptional at it during the season which made Maluach look good...

Idk if he would really fit our team and you have to look at a player like Lively who was way more valuable with Luka vs with not....Can look at early days with Tyson Chandler who was on that Bulls team with iso heavy Hinrich and Ben Gordon who were not really good at that....Chandler was getting called a Bust during that stage in his career and didn't look good until he got traded to the Hornets with CP3...

I feel same could happen with us...If we draft him Masai would need to try and make another trade for a PG that fits his style of play....And tbh this seems alot of maintence to do for a limited offensive player like Maluach with a top pick unless his defense was out of this world good....And i don't see out of this world good.
Image
TNRaps4life
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,905
And1: 1,216
Joined: Aug 30, 2005
 

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#124 » by TNRaps4life » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:27 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:For Maluach Visa issues....If he legit can't leave the States or get back in if we draft him.....His agents, He himself will prolly push for us to not draft him....Playing limited games in the NBA due to Visa issues would not benefit him or anyone around him....Imagine we make the playoffs and he can't travel with the team...Seems like a bad situation....But we will see how it plays out...



He is better in Canada because he would need a new visa to play basketball which US won't give him except things change. He is better off moving to Canada.
Mark_83
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,802
And1: 3,855
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#125 » by Mark_83 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:36 am

Psubs wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Ok good
Bryant in
Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=0YpMScWXY2zRUqR8fH-usg

Woot!
Move Agbaji for a pick and draft his cheaper, younger, replacement!


Do you really think Agbaji could get a pick high enough to get Carter Bryant? What team would rather have an established 3 and D SG/SF?

Orlando at #16 and they would decline Gary Harris' team option.

San Antonio #14 and Blake Wesley (salary filler) for Ochai Agbaji (do we need to add #39)?

I'm not even sure you can trade an impending RFA, can you? If not I'd move one of Dick or Walter instead. Bryant could be something in the realm of a Patrick Williams or Trey Murphy.
RealFaction
Sophomore
Posts: 135
And1: 189
Joined: Feb 15, 2012

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#126 » by RealFaction » Mon Apr 28, 2025 5:45 am

Mark_83 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Woot!
Move Agbaji for a pick and draft his cheaper, younger, replacement!


Do you really think Agbaji could get a pick high enough to get Carter Bryant? What team would rather have an established 3 and D SG/SF?

Orlando at #16 and they would decline Gary Harris' team option.

San Antonio #14 and Blake Wesley (salary filler) for Ochai Agbaji (do we need to add #39)?

I'm not even sure you can trade an impending RFA, can you? If not I'd move one of Dick or Walter instead. Bryant could be something in the realm of a Patrick Williams or Trey Murphy.


It doesn't matter. Agbaji isn't a RFA until the end of the next season, so you can trade him now if you wanted. This upcoming season would be his 4th year, so he's still on the rookie scale contract.
User avatar
Thaddy
Head Coach
Posts: 6,729
And1: 3,933
Joined: Dec 12, 2022

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#127 » by Thaddy » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:25 am

Fleming looks like he'll be a super role player in the NBA. I would trade Agbaji and the 2nd for him. We take a gamble and the other team gets a ready to play POA defender that can shoot.

I think Orlando would be ideal?

Poeltl / Queen
Barnes / Fleming
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Barrett / Dick / Walter
Quickley / Shead

Masai needs to shore up our big men spots. Poeltl and Mogbo isn't enough for a playoff team. I'm not dialed in on Queen but he'd be a whole lot better than Robinson, Castleton or other scrubs.

Fleming along with an improved shooter in Mogbo would be a very promising front court. Ingram, Barnes and Barrett would have tons of space.
User avatar
Duffman100
Forum Mod - Raptors
Forum Mod - Raptors
Posts: 48,022
And1: 72,538
Joined: Jun 27, 2002
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#128 » by Duffman100 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:35 am

Thaddy wrote:Fleming looks like he'll be a super role player in the NBA. I would trade Agbaji and the 2nd for him. We take a gamble and the other team gets a ready to play POA defender that can shoot.

I think Orlando would be ideal?

Poeltl / Queen
Barnes / Fleming
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Barrett / Dick / Walter
Quickley / Shead

Masai needs to shore up our big men spots. Poeltl and Mogbo isn't enough for a playoff team. I'm not dialed in on Queen but he'd be a whole lot better than Robinson, Castleton or other scrubs.

Fleming along with an improved shooter in Mogbo would be a very promising front court. Ingram, Barnes and Barrett would have tons of space.


Fleming does just look like a physically imposing presence. I'm a big fan if we could snap him later. I'd like to have a big defensive 3/4 off the bench
User avatar
WuTang_CMB
RealGM
Posts: 41,425
And1: 51,841
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#129 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:22 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44888875/nba-draft-2025-projecting-30-best-prospects

The 2025 NBA draft is less than two months away (June 25-26) and now that we know who might be hearing their names called out, it's time to look at how the top 30 prospects project statistically.

To no surprise, Duke's Cooper Flagg is the top-ranked prospect by my model, which combines translated statistical performance in the NCAA or non-NBA professional leagues with age and a player's rank in ESPN's top 100 prospects to estimate their long-term value.

It's not just Flagg who excels, however. Three other freshmen, including his teammate Kon Knueppel, rank in the top 10 of the stats-only version of my projections as well as the top 100. When there's that kind of consensus on the top prospects, players typically translate well to the NBA. For more on how my model works, click here.

With that, let's get to the top 30 projections among players currently ranked in ESPN's top 100 after the deadline for early entrants to declare, including a few unexpected names.


1. Cooper Flagg, F, Duke
Top 100: No. 1
Stats: No. 1

Consensus: 5.3 WARP

As I wrote in a story with Tim Bontemps about the creative efforts to avoid winning we saw late in the NBA regular season, the question with Flagg is less whether he's the top prospect this year and more where he stacks up historically. Besides the two No. 1 picks with better projections than Flagg (Anthony Davis and Zion Williamson), Luka Doncic is the only other player to rate better in terms of my consensus model. Flagg is the lone player in this year's draft who doesn't rate 15% worse than the average NBA-bound college prospect at his position in any of the categories I use to determine strengths and weaknesses.

2. Kon Knueppel, G/F, Duke
Top 100: No. 9
Stats: No. 2

Consensus: 3.9 WARP



Having Flagg's teammate just behind him is a more surprising outcome. Based strictly on college performance, Knueppel would drop a few spots, more in line with where he ranks in the top 100 (No. 9).

However, Knueppel had the strongest projection of any prospect who participated in the Nike EYBL AAU competition in either 2022 or 2023. He posted a .642 true shooting percentage on 35% usage in 2023, suggesting more shot creation potential than we saw alongside other talented prospects at Duke.

3. VJ Edgecombe, SG, Baylor
Top 100: No. 4
Stats: No. 4

Consensus: 3.9 WARP

Along with Flagg, Edgecombe is the second prospect in this year's class who ranks in the top five by both my stats-only model and the top 100, typically a powerful combo. Although Edgecombe's offensive efficiency in his lone season at Baylor was middling (50% shooting on 2s and 34% on 3s), he filled out the box score. Edgecombe projects at least 15% better than the typical NBA-bound college shooting guard in terms of rebound, block and steal rate. That defensive potential should give Edgecombe a high floor, while his development as a shooter will define his upside.

4. Dylan Harper, G, Rutgers
Top 100: No. 2
Stats: No. 7

Consensus: 3.7 WARP

Harper is on the flip side of the comparison with Knueppel. He had a stronger college freshman season, averaging 19.4 PPG, 4.6 RPG and 4.0 APG on fine efficiency given his large role in the Rutgers offense (29% usage rate). Yet Harper wasn't quite as effective in EYBL play, and incorporating those stats flipped Knueppel ahead. In particular, Harper excelled as a college finisher, shooting 57% on 2-point attempts -- best of any perimeter one-and-done prospect.


5. Isaiah Evans, SG, Duke
Top 100: No. 43
Stats: No. 3

Consensus: 3.0 WARP

This projection looks strange to me, too. Evans averaged 13.8 MPG off the bench for the Blue Devils, yet my model is excited about his potential as a shooter. That's got relatively little to do with Evans' 42% 3-point accuracy, since the small sample (149 attempts) means his NBA projection is regressed heavily to the mean. However, the 12 3-point attempts Evans launched per 40 minutes give him the highest shooting projection of any one-and-done player in my database. Given how little Evans contributes beyond shooting, he'll have to be elite to be an NBA rotation player. Ideally, he'll return for a larger role as a sophomore and we'll get more data to use.


Duke will be well represented in this year's NBA draft, but will Isaiah Evans make that leap now? Bob Donnan-Imagn Images
6. Jeremiah Fears, PG, Oklahoma
Top 100: No. 5
Stats: No. 20

Consensus: 2.9 WARP

Fears was an offensive engine at Oklahoma. His 31.5% usage was highest for any major-conference freshman, per Stathead.com, just ahead of Flagg. Given that load, Fears' ability to score with average efficiency was impressive. Still, in order to justify a similarly large role in the NBA, Fears will have to improve on 28% 3-point shooting. One encouraging sign: Fears shot 85% on free throws, an important indicator for NBA 3-point accuracy.

7. Ace Bailey, PF, Rutgers
Top 100: No. 3
Stats: No. 27

Consensus: 2.9 WARP

In a year where the top prospects mostly rated well statistically, Bailey was an exception. In particular, Bailey's shotmaking ability did not translate to good efficiency because of his difficult shot diet. Per CBBAnalytics.com, 36% of Bailey's shot attempts were non-paint 2-pointers, ranking in the 99th percentile nationally. And while Bailey hit those at a reasonable 43% clip, that's far less valuable than the effective 52% he shot on 3s after accounting for the additional point. In the right system, Bailey could emerge as an offensive playmaker, but the wrong team might be unable to maximize his skills.

8. Noa Essengue, PF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Top 100: No. 14
Stats: No. 8

Consensus: 2.6 WARP

Now that Essengue has moved into lottery territory, it's hard to call him a sleeper, but he's still not quite as high as his stats-only projection would suggest as the top international prospect in the draft. In the competitive EuroCup, Essengue has averaged 14.4 PPG and 5.3 RPG in just 23.7 MPG, shooting 66% on 2-point attempts. That's come against much older competition. Essengue won't turn 19 until December, making him the second-youngest prospect in the top 100 after Flagg.

9. Collin Murray-Boyles, PF, South Carolina
Top 100: No. 11
Stats: No. 14

Consensus: 2.6 WARP

The production from Murray-Boyles in Year 2 at South Carolina was too good for scouts to overlook. In the nation's strongest conference, Murray-Boyles averaged 16.8 PPG and 8.3 RPG with the highest effective field goal percentage (60%) in the SEC. At 6-foot-7, Murray-Boyles is small for a big, but he filled out the box score with seven strengths according to my model -- most of any prospect, just ahead of Flagg's six. (Memphis guard PJ Haggerty, who didn't crack the top 30, also has six strengths but more weaknesses.)

10. Kasparas Jakucionis, PG, Illinois
Top 100: No. 7
Stats: No. 22

Consensus: 2.6 WARP

There's a lot to like about Jakucionis offensively. A tough finisher, he made 56% of his 2s, excellent for a guard. Additionally, Jakucionis' 84.5% accuracy at the foul line suggests he could improve on his 32% 3-point shooting at Illinois to go with his playmaking. The concern lies on defense. Jakucionis has a below-average steal rate for a guard and blocked just nine shots all season.

11. Egor Demin, PG, BYU
Top 100: No. 12
Stats: No. 19

Consensus: 2.4 WARP

Demin's combination of court vision and size (6-foot-9) to create passing lanes gives him the third-best assist projection among prospects in the top 100. Like Jakucionis, Demin was also a strong finisher from the backcourt thanks to his size, hitting 55% of his 2-point attempts. However, there's less reason for optimism about Demin as a shooter. Not only did he make 27% of his 3-point attempts, Demin was a hair under 70% at the foul line.

12. Tre Johnson, SG, Texas
Top 100: No. 6
Stats: No. 30

Consensus: 2.4 WARP

Johnson's volume scoring is the kind of skill set that tends not to fare well in my projections. Usage is his only strength, while Johnson was well below average in terms of rebounding, steals and blocks. The swing skill is just how efficient Johnson can be as a scorer. He faired acceptably at the college level thanks to 40% 3-point shooting but was less effective in EYBL play. Johnson shot just 34% on 3s in the 2023 EYBL campaign.
User avatar
WuTang_CMB
RealGM
Posts: 41,425
And1: 51,841
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#130 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:39 pm

Buff
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,742
And1: 1,779
Joined: Jul 27, 2004

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#131 » by Buff » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:03 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Tyler Rucker shares same concerns with KM



They said if your drafting him your getting a good back up Center.....But my biggest concern is the fit on our team....I think the only way Maluach has a big impact on the team he goes to is if they have a PG who can break the defense down by himself and is great lob passer.....IQ/RJ are not really good at this....Flagg was pretty acceptional at it during the season which made Maluach look good...

Idk if he would really fit our team and you have to look at a player like Lively who was way more valuable with Luka vs with not....Can look at early days with Tyson Chandler who was on that Bulls team with iso heavy Hinrich and Ben Gordon who were not really good at that....Chandler was getting called a Bust during that stage in his career and didn't look good until he got traded to the Hornets with CP3...

I feel same could happen with us...If we draft him Masai would need to try and make another trade for a PG that fits his style of play....And tbh this seems alot of maintence to do for a limited offensive player like Maluach with a top pick unless his defense was out of this world good....And i don't see out of this world good.


The thing about Maluach is he has a huuuge catch radius which in turn lowers the needed accuracy for a pass and therefore lowers the needed quality of a PG you need. Which is sort of the opposite to your argument. Maybe he made Flagg and Kon look like amazing passers?
User avatar
WuTang_CMB
RealGM
Posts: 41,425
And1: 51,841
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#132 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:16 pm

Jerry Lucas
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,847
And1: 1,796
Joined: Apr 01, 2021
     

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#133 » by Jerry Lucas » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:23 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44888875/nba-draft-2025-projecting-30-best-prospects


8. Noa Essengue, PF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Top 100: No. 14
Stats: No. 8

Consensus: 2.6 WARP

Now that Essengue has moved into lottery territory, it's hard to call him a sleeper, but he's still not quite as high as his stats-only projection would suggest as the top international prospect in the draft. In the competitive EuroCup, Essengue has averaged 14.4 PPG and 5.3 RPG in just 23.7 MPG, shooting 66% on 2-point attempts. That's come against much older competition. Essengue won't turn 19 until December, making him the second-youngest prospect in the top 100 after Flagg.

Essengue being the only non-NCAA prospect in the top 30 of the stats-only model is very interesting.


29. Thomas Sorber, C Georgetown
Top 100: No. 24
Stats: No. 32

Consensus: 1.6 WARP


Would you believe that no Georgetown product has been drafted since Otto Porter Jr. in 2013? Sorber will assuredly break that streak if he stays in the draft after averaging 14.5 PPG, 8.5 RPG and 2.0 BPG as a freshman. As good as that sounds, the bar for center production at the NCAA level is high, which particularly works against fellow DMV freshman Derik Queen of Maryland. By contrast to Queen, who doesn't rate in my top 30 despite being 10th in the top 100, Sorber was a much more effective shot blocker.

Also pretty surprising to see Queen ranked outside his top 30.
My Masai/Bobby-type FRP Barttorvik queries: 4/4, zero misses

Team Find The Next Superstar Closer
User avatar
niQ
Forum Mod - Raptors
Forum Mod - Raptors
Posts: 16,019
And1: 29,884
Joined: Jun 14, 2011

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#134 » by niQ » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:30 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:


This guy is Layzie Bone of BTNH.
User avatar
WuTang_CMB
RealGM
Posts: 41,425
And1: 51,841
Joined: Sep 26, 2017
   

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#135 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:32 pm

Jerry Lucas wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44888875/nba-draft-2025-projecting-30-best-prospects


8. Noa Essengue, PF, Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany)
Top 100: No. 14
Stats: No. 8

Consensus: 2.6 WARP

Now that Essengue has moved into lottery territory, it's hard to call him a sleeper, but he's still not quite as high as his stats-only projection would suggest as the top international prospect in the draft. In the competitive EuroCup, Essengue has averaged 14.4 PPG and 5.3 RPG in just 23.7 MPG, shooting 66% on 2-point attempts. That's come against much older competition. Essengue won't turn 19 until December, making him the second-youngest prospect in the top 100 after Flagg.

Essengue being the only non-NCAA prospect in the top 30 of the stats-only model is very interesting.







interesting how he grades international vs college

Utilizing multiple seasons of data yields better projections than looking solely at the most recent season. In fact, for college players I've found that earlier seasons tend to project NBA performance better than more recent seasons because older prospects no longer have the same experience advantage in the NBA. So the player's most recent season is weighted two times, the season before that (if available) three times, and two seasons before that five times. The weights are opposite for international prospects, who haven't demonstrated the same pattern because they are playing against older opponents.


On the statistics only, Noa being the second youngest in the draft definitely helps him.
Raptaurus
Sophomore
Posts: 211
And1: 169
Joined: Jul 06, 2019

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#136 » by Raptaurus » Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:51 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if Maluach falls outside of the lottery if the Raptors don’t take him.

The bust factor is quite high with raw 7 footers taken in the top 10. For every Poetl, there are twice as many Radjovics, Araujos, etc.

We already have Chomche. Why not just trade one of our glut of guards for a backup center if we are looking for that missing piece to turn us into a playoff contender?
User avatar
Psubs
RealGM
Posts: 20,806
And1: 11,890
Joined: Nov 20, 2004
Location: Toronto

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#137 » by Psubs » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:03 pm

Raptaurus wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if Maluach falls outside of the lottery if the Raptors don’t take him.

The bust factor is quite high with raw 7 footers taken in the top 10. For every Poetl, there are twice as many Radjovics, Araujos, etc.

We already have Chomche. Why not just trade one of our glut of guards for a backup center if we are looking for that missing piece to turn us into a playoff contender?


Dragan Bender, Hasheem Thabeet, Olowokandi, Kwame Brown.

Ochai Agbaji is the one to trade as he has 1 more year before he's due a raise and his stock may be at this peak (assuming he doesn't improve at a level like Norman Powell 2.0).
Image
User avatar
Indeed
RealGM
Posts: 21,722
And1: 3,623
Joined: Aug 21, 2009

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#138 » by Indeed » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:35 pm

Psubs wrote:
Raptaurus wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if Maluach falls outside of the lottery if the Raptors don’t take him.

The bust factor is quite high with raw 7 footers taken in the top 10. For every Poetl, there are twice as many Radjovics, Araujos, etc.

We already have Chomche. Why not just trade one of our glut of guards for a backup center if we are looking for that missing piece to turn us into a playoff contender?


Dragan Bender, Hasheem Thabeet, Olowokandi, Kwame Brown.

Ochai Agbaji is the one to trade as he has 1 more year before he's due a raise and his stock may be at this peak (assuming he doesn't improve at a level like Norman Powell 2.0).


I prefere Flemming and Sorber over Maluach in late 1st.

There isn't much teams need a raw C to begin with. And both Flemming and Sorber can play the backup C while get minutes at other positions.
User avatar
Jcity08
RealGM
Posts: 12,962
And1: 18,089
Joined: May 06, 2018
       

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#139 » by Jcity08 » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:37 pm

Raptaurus wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if Maluach falls outside of the lottery if the Raptors don’t take him.

The bust factor is quite high with raw 7 footers taken in the top 10. For every Poetl, there are twice as many Radjovics, Araujos, etc.

We already have Chomche. Why not just trade one of our glut of guards for a backup center if we are looking for that missing piece to turn us into a playoff contender?


People every draft fall in love with measurements and raw hidden potential, myself included and that outweighs for them the risk of bust potential.

But considering this "might" be our last lottery pick in a very long while, I'd rather not spend it on someone who's raw in many areas. Thats why I hope we luck out with a top 4 pick, so we dont have to have this awkward conversation on the merits of selecting a raw big middle of the lottery and hope they develop into what we need.
Image
Image

Signed with team T.W.O for the 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 season.
User avatar
Indeed
RealGM
Posts: 21,722
And1: 3,623
Joined: Aug 21, 2009

Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 6 

Post#140 » by Indeed » Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:40 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Fleming looks like he'll be a super role player in the NBA. I would trade Agbaji and the 2nd for him. We take a gamble and the other team gets a ready to play POA defender that can shoot.

I think Orlando would be ideal?

Poeltl / Queen
Barnes / Fleming
Ingram / Mogbo / Battle
Barrett / Dick / Walter
Quickley / Shead

Masai needs to shore up our big men spots. Poeltl and Mogbo isn't enough for a playoff team. I'm not dialed in on Queen but he'd be a whole lot better than Robinson, Castleton or other scrubs.

Fleming along with an improved shooter in Mogbo would be a very promising front court. Ingram, Barnes and Barrett would have tons of space.


Fleming does just look like a physically imposing presence. I'm a big fan if we could snap him later. I'd like to have a big defensive 3/4 off the bench


Wish that happen, but I dont see Agbaji having that much value. 6m next year would be a lot for contending teams, it is not like we got cap space to take on more salary for other teams.

Return to Toronto Raptors