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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#121 » by dagger » Thu May 15, 2025 8:59 pm

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dagger wrote:Given the likely need for major executive changes with the Leafs and Jays, I'm guessing that Rogers - both Ed and Pelley - won't want to handle big change with the Raptors. The fact is, a non-taxed NBA team with Toronto prices is a huge money-maker even when the product on the court stinks. The same is true of the Leafs but the media is a lot less critical of a bad basketball product that has won a title in recent memory than a flagship hockey team that hasn't won anything in over half a century.


This is where I am at now. I was firmly in the camp that Rogers wouldn't re-sign him, but now with the mess that is the Jays and Leafs, they may well just leave the Raps alone. The ever-increasing valuation and fat, new TV contract should keep them happy enough.


And probably expansion fees as well.
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Post#122 » by Raptors_128 » Thu May 15, 2025 9:06 pm

I can’t say I’ll be too upset if he leaves but I do not want Bobby taking over.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#123 » by Boogie! » Thu May 15, 2025 9:14 pm

People on here **** on masai but every year some other team is trying to poach him from us.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#124 » by Duffman100 » Thu May 15, 2025 9:17 pm

Boogie! wrote:People on here **** on masai but every year some other team is trying to poach him from us.


It's weird how exaggerated our current state is Like we're in serious trouble.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#125 » by DelAbbot » Thu May 15, 2025 10:01 pm

Sometimes, the grass on the other side is greener and the next mystery box could hold the saviour we need
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Post#126 » by TimeForChange » Thu May 15, 2025 10:24 pm

Raptors_128 wrote:I can’t say I’ll be too upset if he leaves but I do not want Bobby taking over.

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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#127 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu May 15, 2025 10:24 pm

DelAbbot wrote:Sometimes, the grass on the other side is greener and the next mystery box could hold the saviour we need


Ok so who is this mystery person, who you would be happy with, and think to yourself this person is a clear upgrade over Masai?
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#128 » by anotherhomer » Thu May 15, 2025 10:30 pm

i think we need to accept Ujiri's time in the organization is coming to an end.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#129 » by earthtone » Thu May 15, 2025 10:37 pm

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Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job. You don't replace someone without knowing there's a better person for the job, in any line of work or capacity... The grass isn't always greener, and forums/social media is filled with pessimism and the expectation of instant gratification.

Saying he's been bad for 5 years is disengenuine or just an exaggeration. He was "bad" for about half that amount of time. There's no arguing he became complacent and had a hard time letting go of the players from the championship team, but in the last 18 months or so we've seen a rejuvenated and involved Masai completely reconstructing this team with a lot of solid trades and picks.

If Masai wasn't here, we'd have an even more difficult time attracting 'any' free agents, re-signing players, and we wouldn't even be mentioned as a possible destination to sign or trade for the likes of Giannis... Don't forget the most successful run in this team's history has happened under the fingerprints of Masai... Change for the sake of change isn't a justifiable reason when we're talking about a GM of Masai's calibre and track record, unless there's a clearcut upgrade available, the problem is nobody can name that upgrade.

If a bus driver crashes his bus, am I not allowed to say that he shouldn't continue being a bus driver just because I can't name a replacement? Should I not be able to tell a fireman to not try and put out a fire with gasoline just because I'm not a fireman?

This is such a nonsensical argument. You also completely ignored the cost aspect of his replacement, if you think what we've had produced the last 5 years justifies him being the highest paid exec in the league, and that we couldn't produce this level of mediocrity for cheaper, then I don't know what to say. It's a business, and if you think Rogers is going to pay Masai the current contract, or an increase, for what has happened the last 5 years, over hiring someone for a fraction of that amount, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can call him rejuvinated or whatever you want, but this team has produced nothing viable since the chip. Scottie is the crown jewel of the last 5 years, and as much as I like the kid, he's not taking the team to the promise land. The team has been on a large decline the last 5 years, if you think he's the only exec in the world who could've gotten us where we are now....there's not really any point to this discussion. Hell, even if you take the argument of his last 18mo being better, I still wouldn't re-sign someone who **** the bed the 3-4 years prior just because now he's rejuvinated. I wouldn't extend someone who can just decide to not give a **** when they want to.

The free agent angle is lowkey hilarious though, Masai has had zero impact on anyone notable coming here, and I don't put that blame on him, that's the nature of the Raps, but lets not act like he's had some major shift or anything.

We heard the "Well there's nobody better" with BC, and magically we found someone, it happened to be Masai. That doesn't mean he's the answer until the heat death of the universe, sometimes you need a change of scenery, new blood, different ideas and so on.


Wow you want to talk about "nonsensical arguments", maybe you should have left out your first paragraph, what kind of comparisons are those... Could you have been any more dissimilar and dramatic?

Not sure why you keep referencing BC, I for one was ready to move on well before, and if I recall, so was the majority of the fanbase/forum. Comparing BC's tenure to Masai's is a massive reach.

There's a reason why I prefaced free agents with "any", did you miss it? ... Because the few free agents we have been able to sign, would likely be even less without Masai's added credibility to the organization and respect around the league.

Ya nobody said he's the answer for eternity, but there has to be a viable upgrade available, which you and everyone else who has complained that he should be fired can't even suggest... So let's just replace him with a Dumars or Landry Fields type, so we can listen to you guys complain with "why did they hire him" or "he's not an upgrade" or "this franchise is such a joke"...

We know the drill, complaining is so much easier than coming up with solutions.

I'm about as big a Masai fan as there is, but I don't think it's reasonable to say someone needs to have a replacement in mind if they want to make a change. We really have no idea how to evaluate executives as fans (aside from their roster transactions), and very little insight into who the talented up & comers in the industry are.

I think it's silly to want Masai gone because his track record speaks for itself, just because someone can't name potential NBA GM candidates off the top of their head doesn't mean there aren't good ones out there
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#130 » by Childs » Thu May 15, 2025 10:46 pm

If Masai does come back, ownership will probably give him a shorter lease like 3 years. I don’t think Masai would like that, and would probably move on.

How would people grade him in the last 5 years? C minus to D plus? It hasn’t been great basketball to watch.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#131 » by 720 » Thu May 15, 2025 10:54 pm

I don’t want Masai to leave, but if he does leave I bet Dan Tolzman becomes 2nd man in charge while bobby takes over. I really like Dan and wouldn’t mind seeing him with more influence.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#132 » by Scase » Thu May 15, 2025 11:03 pm

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Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job. You don't replace someone without knowing there's a better person for the job, in any line of work or capacity... The grass isn't always greener, and forums/social media is filled with pessimism and the expectation of instant gratification.

Saying he's been bad for 5 years is disengenuine or just an exaggeration. He was "bad" for about half that amount of time. There's no arguing he became complacent and had a hard time letting go of the players from the championship team, but in the last 18 months or so we've seen a rejuvenated and involved Masai completely reconstructing this team with a lot of solid trades and picks.

If Masai wasn't here, we'd have an even more difficult time attracting 'any' free agents, re-signing players, and we wouldn't even be mentioned as a possible destination to sign or trade for the likes of Giannis... Don't forget the most successful run in this team's history has happened under the fingerprints of Masai... Change for the sake of change isn't a justifiable reason when we're talking about a GM of Masai's calibre and track record, unless there's a clearcut upgrade available, the problem is nobody can name that upgrade.

If a bus driver crashes his bus, am I not allowed to say that he shouldn't continue being a bus driver just because I can't name a replacement? Should I not be able to tell a fireman to not try and put out a fire with gasoline just because I'm not a fireman?

This is such a nonsensical argument. You also completely ignored the cost aspect of his replacement, if you think what we've had produced the last 5 years justifies him being the highest paid exec in the league, and that we couldn't produce this level of mediocrity for cheaper, then I don't know what to say. It's a business, and if you think Rogers is going to pay Masai the current contract, or an increase, for what has happened the last 5 years, over hiring someone for a fraction of that amount, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can call him rejuvinated or whatever you want, but this team has produced nothing viable since the chip. Scottie is the crown jewel of the last 5 years, and as much as I like the kid, he's not taking the team to the promise land. The team has been on a large decline the last 5 years, if you think he's the only exec in the world who could've gotten us where we are now....there's not really any point to this discussion. Hell, even if you take the argument of his last 18mo being better, I still wouldn't re-sign someone who **** the bed the 3-4 years prior just because now he's rejuvinated. I wouldn't extend someone who can just decide to not give a **** when they want to.

The free agent angle is lowkey hilarious though, Masai has had zero impact on anyone notable coming here, and I don't put that blame on him, that's the nature of the Raps, but lets not act like he's had some major shift or anything.

We heard the "Well there's nobody better" with BC, and magically we found someone, it happened to be Masai. That doesn't mean he's the answer until the heat death of the universe, sometimes you need a change of scenery, new blood, different ideas and so on.


Wow you want to talk about "nonsensical arguments", maybe you should have left out your first paragraph, what kind of comparisons are those... Could you have been any more dissimilar and dramatic?

Not sure why you keep referencing BC, I for one was ready to move on well before, and if I recall, so was the majority of the fanbase/forum. Comparing BC's tenure to Masai's is a massive reach.

There's a reason why I prefaced free agents with "any", did you miss it? ... Because the few free agents we have been able to sign, would likely be even less without Masai's added credibility to the organization and respect around the league.

Ya nobody said he's the answer for eternity, but there has to be a viable upgrade available, which you and everyone else who has complained that he should be fired can't even suggest... So let's just replace him with a Dumars or Landry Fields type, so we can listen to you guys complain with "why did they hire him" or "he's not an upgrade" or "this franchise is such a joke"...

We know the drill, complaining is so much easier than coming up with solutions.

Yeah, lets take your approach of fear of it being worse, definitely more effective.

You act as if the BC tenure was different, no the end just came sooner, but it's the same process. Hope in the beginning, followed by success, then the descent, people claiming it is better than what came before, fear that we can't replace him cause the next person might be worse, then people got sick of the poor performance after long enough to where the opinion shifted to mostly wanting to get rid of him.

Some people reached that last step sooner than others, the fact that you can't see the glaring similarities is kinda sad. Stop trying to compare the 2 GMs, and look at the situations, same trajectory. Just because I didn't name BC as the successor didn't mean that Babcock wasn't that bad and we should keep him.

Masai created these high standards, he isn't living up to them, we shouldn't be scared to try and find someone who is.
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Post#133 » by Scase » Thu May 15, 2025 11:04 pm

Boogie! wrote:People on here **** on masai but every year some other team is trying to poach him from us.

People **** on Doc Rivers, but every year some other team is hiring him.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#134 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu May 15, 2025 11:09 pm

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Scase wrote:If a bus driver crashes his bus, am I not allowed to say that he shouldn't continue being a bus driver just because I can't name a replacement? Should I not be able to tell a fireman to not try and put out a fire with gasoline just because I'm not a fireman?

This is such a nonsensical argument. You also completely ignored the cost aspect of his replacement, if you think what we've had produced the last 5 years justifies him being the highest paid exec in the league, and that we couldn't produce this level of mediocrity for cheaper, then I don't know what to say. It's a business, and if you think Rogers is going to pay Masai the current contract, or an increase, for what has happened the last 5 years, over hiring someone for a fraction of that amount, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can call him rejuvinated or whatever you want, but this team has produced nothing viable since the chip. Scottie is the crown jewel of the last 5 years, and as much as I like the kid, he's not taking the team to the promise land. The team has been on a large decline the last 5 years, if you think he's the only exec in the world who could've gotten us where we are now....there's not really any point to this discussion. Hell, even if you take the argument of his last 18mo being better, I still wouldn't re-sign someone who **** the bed the 3-4 years prior just because now he's rejuvinated. I wouldn't extend someone who can just decide to not give a **** when they want to.

The free agent angle is lowkey hilarious though, Masai has had zero impact on anyone notable coming here, and I don't put that blame on him, that's the nature of the Raps, but lets not act like he's had some major shift or anything.

We heard the "Well there's nobody better" with BC, and magically we found someone, it happened to be Masai. That doesn't mean he's the answer until the heat death of the universe, sometimes you need a change of scenery, new blood, different ideas and so on.


Wow you want to talk about "nonsensical arguments", maybe you should have left out your first paragraph, what kind of comparisons are those... Could you have been any more dissimilar and dramatic?

Not sure why you keep referencing BC, I for one was ready to move on well before, and if I recall, so was the majority of the fanbase/forum. Comparing BC's tenure to Masai's is a massive reach.

There's a reason why I prefaced free agents with "any", did you miss it? ... Because the few free agents we have been able to sign, would likely be even less without Masai's added credibility to the organization and respect around the league.

Ya nobody said he's the answer for eternity, but there has to be a viable upgrade available, which you and everyone else who has complained that he should be fired can't even suggest... So let's just replace him with a Dumars or Landry Fields type, so we can listen to you guys complain with "why did they hire him" or "he's not an upgrade" or "this franchise is such a joke"...

We know the drill, complaining is so much easier than coming up with solutions.

I'm about as big a Masai fan as there is, but I don't think it's reasonable to say someone needs to have a replacement in mind if they want to make a change. We really have no idea how to evaluate executives as fans (aside from their roster transactions), and very little insight into who the talented up & comers in the industry are.

I think it's silly to want Masai gone because his track record speaks for itself, just because someone can't name potential NBA GM candidates off the top of their head doesn't mean there aren't good ones out there


These are my thoughts... We have an experienced exec/GM who won us a chip which we never came close to doing in the first 25 years of this organization. He acknowledges getting complacent for a couple years post championship and struggled with breaking up the band.

Since acknowledging his errors, he's completely transformed this team in less than 1.5 years with trades and draft picks. And now that this team is looking like they're back on the upswing, we're going to replace the architect who's tenure includes our most successful stretch in franchise history and our first championship. Not to mention, he just recently completely retooled this team and is one of the best draft execs in the league which is extra crucial for us, since we obviously have a hard time attracting top free agents.

Let's face it, we can't bring in a rookie GM with zero track record, that's a recipe for disaster, that could blow up in this organization's face... The fact that not one person who's pushing for Masai to be fired can come up with a realistic option to take this team to another level, it just screams more like the usual pessimists complaining because we're not a contender every year, which isn't realistic, as all organizations go through ebs and flows, even the most attractive free agent destinations... If you let Masai go, he'll be fine, he'll get snatched up before he boards the plane, but it could literally take us decades to find someone as good... I really believe he's undervalued around here.
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Post#135 » by Raptors Realtor » Thu May 15, 2025 11:28 pm

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Scase wrote:If a bus driver crashes his bus, am I not allowed to say that he shouldn't continue being a bus driver just because I can't name a replacement? Should I not be able to tell a fireman to not try and put out a fire with gasoline just because I'm not a fireman?

This is such a nonsensical argument. You also completely ignored the cost aspect of his replacement, if you think what we've had produced the last 5 years justifies him being the highest paid exec in the league, and that we couldn't produce this level of mediocrity for cheaper, then I don't know what to say. It's a business, and if you think Rogers is going to pay Masai the current contract, or an increase, for what has happened the last 5 years, over hiring someone for a fraction of that amount, I've got a bridge to sell you.

You can call him rejuvinated or whatever you want, but this team has produced nothing viable since the chip. Scottie is the crown jewel of the last 5 years, and as much as I like the kid, he's not taking the team to the promise land. The team has been on a large decline the last 5 years, if you think he's the only exec in the world who could've gotten us where we are now....there's not really any point to this discussion. Hell, even if you take the argument of his last 18mo being better, I still wouldn't re-sign someone who **** the bed the 3-4 years prior just because now he's rejuvinated. I wouldn't extend someone who can just decide to not give a **** when they want to.

The free agent angle is lowkey hilarious though, Masai has had zero impact on anyone notable coming here, and I don't put that blame on him, that's the nature of the Raps, but lets not act like he's had some major shift or anything.

We heard the "Well there's nobody better" with BC, and magically we found someone, it happened to be Masai. That doesn't mean he's the answer until the heat death of the universe, sometimes you need a change of scenery, new blood, different ideas and so on.


Wow you want to talk about "nonsensical arguments", maybe you should have left out your first paragraph, what kind of comparisons are those... Could you have been any more dissimilar and dramatic?

Not sure why you keep referencing BC, I for one was ready to move on well before, and if I recall, so was the majority of the fanbase/forum. Comparing BC's tenure to Masai's is a massive reach.

There's a reason why I prefaced free agents with "any", did you miss it? ... Because the few free agents we have been able to sign, would likely be even less without Masai's added credibility to the organization and respect around the league.

Ya nobody said he's the answer for eternity, but there has to be a viable upgrade available, which you and everyone else who has complained that he should be fired can't even suggest... So let's just replace him with a Dumars or Landry Fields type, so we can listen to you guys complain with "why did they hire him" or "he's not an upgrade" or "this franchise is such a joke"...

We know the drill, complaining is so much easier than coming up with solutions.

Yeah, lets take your approach of fear of it being worse, definitely more effective.

You act as if the BC tenure was different, no the end just came sooner, but it's the same process. Hope in the beginning, followed by success, then the descent, people claiming it is better than what came before, fear that we can't replace him cause the next person might be worse, then people got sick of the poor performance after long enough to where the opinion shifted to mostly wanting to get rid of him.

Some people reached that last step sooner than others, the fact that you can't see the glaring similarities is kinda sad. Stop trying to compare the 2 GMs, and look at the situations, same trajectory. Just because I didn't name BC as the successor didn't mean that Babcock wasn't that bad and we should keep him.

Masai created these high standards, he isn't living up to them, we shouldn't be scared to try and find someone who is.


Dude, you always get so defensive whenever someone doesn't agree with your opinion...

Let's remember how this debate started... I asked you to name a realistic replacement, and since then you've gone off on numerous tangents, none of which include a single answer to my initial very simple question... It's cool if you can't think of anyone, just say that, but stop rambling on with these crazy digs and silly arguments.
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Post#136 » by JShuttlesworth » Thu May 15, 2025 11:33 pm

Masai has generally done a great job during his tenure here, I would hope an extension gets done
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Post#137 » by Scase » Thu May 15, 2025 11:37 pm

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Wow you want to talk about "nonsensical arguments", maybe you should have left out your first paragraph, what kind of comparisons are those... Could you have been any more dissimilar and dramatic?

Not sure why you keep referencing BC, I for one was ready to move on well before, and if I recall, so was the majority of the fanbase/forum. Comparing BC's tenure to Masai's is a massive reach.

There's a reason why I prefaced free agents with "any", did you miss it? ... Because the few free agents we have been able to sign, would likely be even less without Masai's added credibility to the organization and respect around the league.

Ya nobody said he's the answer for eternity, but there has to be a viable upgrade available, which you and everyone else who has complained that he should be fired can't even suggest... So let's just replace him with a Dumars or Landry Fields type, so we can listen to you guys complain with "why did they hire him" or "he's not an upgrade" or "this franchise is such a joke"...

We know the drill, complaining is so much easier than coming up with solutions.

Yeah, lets take your approach of fear of it being worse, definitely more effective.

You act as if the BC tenure was different, no the end just came sooner, but it's the same process. Hope in the beginning, followed by success, then the descent, people claiming it is better than what came before, fear that we can't replace him cause the next person might be worse, then people got sick of the poor performance after long enough to where the opinion shifted to mostly wanting to get rid of him.

Some people reached that last step sooner than others, the fact that you can't see the glaring similarities is kinda sad. Stop trying to compare the 2 GMs, and look at the situations, same trajectory. Just because I didn't name BC as the successor didn't mean that Babcock wasn't that bad and we should keep him.

Masai created these high standards, he isn't living up to them, we shouldn't be scared to try and find someone who is.


Dude, you always get so defensive whenever someone doesn't agree with your opinion...

Let's remember how this debate started... I asked you to name a realistic replacement, and since then you've gone off on numerous tangents, none of which include a single answer to my initial very simple question... It's cool if you can't think of anyone, just say that, but stop rambling on with these crazy digs and silly arguments.


Oh, you mean like here?
Scase wrote:Well yeah, it's not my job to find that person. Just because I think someone is doing a poor job, it doesn't mean I'm the one who needs to have the answer. I trust the people who actually hire and know the industry to do it. If they think Masai is the best bet, then so be it.




I'm not defensive in the least, you and I don't agree and that's fine, but stop acting like my position is outrageous. Earthtone just said it's not reasonable to expect someone to hammer out a bunch of named alternatives, and then you agreed with him.

But when I said that it's :

Raptors Realtor wrote:Well it may not be your job to find the replacement, but if you're able to conclude that he should be replaced, it's because you believe there's someone who can do a better job.


You're contradicting yourself non stop, but I'm being defensive?

I believe there is likely, on the planet of 8billion people, someone who could do a better job than what we have seen in the last 5 years. No I don't have their name, phone number, and SIN. Doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Post#138 » by Boogie! » Fri May 16, 2025 12:06 am

Scase wrote:
Boogie! wrote:People on here **** on masai but every year some other team is trying to poach him from us.

People **** on Doc Rivers, but every year some other team is hiring him.


So masai is the doc rivers of team presidency got it.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#139 » by Tha Cynic » Fri May 16, 2025 12:14 am

Hopefully Masai gets extended. You can break down each year since the championship and see what happened and understand why it happened. Using last season when they are clearly trying to rebuild as some sort of defining year is just hack level stuff I would expect from media members posting on this board.

Get over VanVleet and Siakam. Masai wanted to keep them all but it wasn't working. And you can see why he wanted to keep them.

I actually want to see how this iteration of the team goes with development and youth back as big factors again. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't, but you can clearly see that he's one of the top executives in the NBA.
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Re: [STEIN]: Hawks have expressed interest in trying to hire Masai Ujiri away from Toronto 

Post#140 » by ash_k » Fri May 16, 2025 12:39 am

JShuttlesworth wrote:Masai has generally done a great job during his tenure here, I would hope an extension gets done

Winning a title at a franchise like ours is worth about 3 or 4 in LAL and we could've had gone back2back..getting Kawhi was great, but without the vision of getting Gasol , we don't win LOB, 10-year worth contract right there.
FVV has elevated babies Rockets to freaking 2nd seed , OG has transformed the Knicks and Pascal back2back ECF as his team leading scorer..and folks thought he was too "emotionally" attached by keeping them to the limit.
Keep him forever if he wants
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