OT - Pascal is the First Scoring Option on a Contender - Apologize To Pascal

ForeverTFC · Post #121 » by **ForeverTFC** » Sat May 24, 2025 7:34 pm

SuppaSlick wrote:Pascal > Ingram.

We don't have any number one options on our team. This year is going to likely be a mess

As a player? Absolutely. As a shot creator? No.

ishoy123 · Post #122 » by **ishoy123** » Sat May 24, 2025 7:47 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
SuppaSlick wrote:Pascal > Ingram.

We don't have any number one options on our team. This year is going to likely be a mess

As a player? Absolutely. As a shot creator? No.

Ingram is a much better fit with Scottie, both basketball and timeline-wise

Basketball_Jones · Post #123 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Sat May 24, 2025 7:54 pm

I don’t think he’s the greatest number 2 option (AD, Kyrie, Brown, etc. are better) but he was still quite good even when he was our number one in the playoffs. The numbers against Philly were solid and he had literally no help that series. Him and Fred were also good against the Bulls but choked at the line. The slander was really way too much but that’s the way it is in sports, feast or famine.

Raps in 4 · Post #124 » by **Raps in 4** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:02 pm

For what? We always knew Pascal could be the second option on a contender.

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #125 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:20 pm

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Westside Gunn · Post #126 » by **Westside Gunn** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:28 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:
SuppaSlick wrote:Pascal > Ingram.

We don't have any number one options on our team. This year is going to likely be a mess

As a player? Absolutely. As a shot creator? No.

Different positions

Ingram's timing and placement is perfect for a potential breakout to another level

djsunyc · Post #127 » by **djsunyc** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:41 pm

SuppaSlick wrote:Pascal > Ingram.

We don't have any number one options on our team. This year is going to likely be a mess

the last 4 years, pascal has about 60% of his fg's coming from assists.

ingram's is about 47%. so ingram's scoring is more self created than pascal.

djsunyc · Post #128 » by **djsunyc** » Sat May 24, 2025 8:47 pm

pacers up 8 with 3 mins to go

siakam iso - miss
siakam layup - on a fastbreak throw ahead pass by haliburton
siakam iso - miss
siakam iso - miss

indy only up 1.

pacers won so none of that is remembered. if they lost, his 39 point game would be remembered for him choking down the stretch.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #129 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:08 pm

It does work like that but several other Pacers missed their shots in that stretch. It would have just been down as a team collapse. He's not a great jump shooter, so he's prone to burning his legs out. This happens and it gets called choking, but that's why it takes a team. Kyle Lowry absolutely dominated game 6 of the Finals to start and then once his legs were burnt Freddie closed it out. If we kept spamming Kyle we would have lost that one.

I don't want to get too excited about this Pacers team because they aren't really that deep to me, but they play the best form of basketball left out of all the remaining teams.

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #130 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:12 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:For what? We always knew Pascal could be the second option on a contender.

He's the leading scorer and the veteran leader on the team, he is a great passer and defender. He's no.1 and facilitates the game for the rest of the team including Hali.

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #131 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:21 pm

djsunyc wrote:pacers up 8 with 3 mins to go

siakam iso - miss
siakam layup - on a fastbreak throw ahead pass by haliburton
siakam iso - miss
siakam iso - miss

indy only up 1.

pacers won so none of that is remembered. if they lost, his 39 point game would be remembered for him choking down the stretch.

Pfffttttttttt no sample size issues there

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #132 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:22 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:It does work like that but several other Pacers missed their shots in that stretch. It would have just been down as a team collapse. He's not a great jump shooter, so he's prone to burning his legs out. This happens and it gets called choking, but that's why it takes a team. Kyle Lowry absolutely dominated game 6 of the Finals to start and then once his legs were burnt Freddie closed it out. If we kept spamming Kyle we would have lost that one.

I don't want to get too excited about this Pacers team because they aren't really that deep to me, but they play the best form of basketball left out of all the remaining teams.

So what you are saying is that they will be NBA Champions....yeah who cares

gp2015 · Post #133 » by **gp2015** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:28 pm

greekman wrote:norm didn't fit the timeline
siakam didn't fit the timeline
fred didn't fit the timeline
og didn't fit the timeline

it's 2025 and they are all playing at career highs.

Still need a superstar like Kawhi to be the the first option.

Notice none of those guys are the #1 option on their teams. No disrespect to them, they're all good players but that's just reality.

gp2015 · Post #134 » by **gp2015** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:32 pm

Never hated Pascal. He played above expectations.

I did hate how Nurse played him and made him into an ISO player.

We were never able to find another #1 option like Kawhi to play next to him.

His time was done here but I'm still cheering for him. He has a great team surrounding him and they play unselfish. It's the perfect situation for him.

Post #135 » by **CPT** » Sat May 24, 2025 9:46 pm

earthtone wrote:
CPT wrote:
earthtone wrote:We turned Pascal Siakam into Brandon Ingram, Ja’Kobe Walter and Ochai Agbaji.

I have no idea how people can say with a straight face that we didn’t get good value for him

Until he proves otherwise, Ingram has negative value or close to it. Ochai is fine, and Walter looks promising, but I don’t know how much either one of them moves the needle.

Unless JKW blows up, the most favourable interpretation of the deal is that it was… fine.

Ingram has to return to All-Star status for it to be good.

Do you think Ingram is an all-star level talent if healthy?

Not really, but he’d probably be close. Maybe a team success/positional fit selection.

I also don’t think he’ll be healthy, and it’s tough to separate that from my perception of him as a player.

If top 15-20 are All-NBA and top 30-40 are All-Star level talent, then no, probably not .

TrustFundBaby · Post #136 » by **TrustFundBaby** » Sat May 24, 2025 10:01 pm

Vampirate wrote:
Scase wrote:He's an elite #2, always has been. Nothing has changed that this playoff run or the last.

The longer time goes on, the more you see just how far Siakam is ahead of Derozan overall.

Umm was this ever a question? This wasn't a question by 2019, it's 2025

Troubadour · Post #137 » by **Troubadour** » Sat May 24, 2025 10:15 pm

ishoy123 wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:
SuppaSlick wrote:Pascal > Ingram.

We don't have any number one options on our team. This year is going to likely be a mess

As a player? Absolutely. As a shot creator? No.

Ingram is a much better fit with Scottie, both basketball and timeline-wise

The timeline thing never made any sense to me. Tyrese Haliburton is one year older than Scottie Barnes. Timelines only matter if you're talking about players who never make the jump to star player status.

Nevermind, I get why fans are concerned about finding players to match Scottie's timeline.

TGM · Post #138 » by **TGM** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:21 pm

Pascal is playing great in the playoffs, but this is greatly because of the composition of the Pacers. I've always said PG and C are you most important positions. Having Hali and Turner, especially Turning being a C that can block and shoot the 3 fits Pascal's game well.

We've never had a long ball shooting C that can block shots. Nor do we have a distributor like Hali. Fred and IQ are not in the same convo as Hali.

Pascal's offensive game is better than Barnes, but Barnes has a better defensive game.

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #139 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:40 pm

TGM wrote:Pascal is playing great in the playoffs, but this is greatly because of the composition of the Pacers. I've always said PG and C are you most important positions. Having Hali and Turner, especially Turning being a C that can block and shoot the 3 fits Pascal's game well.

We've never had a long ball shooting C that can block shots. Nor do we have a distributor like Hali. Fred and IQ are not in the same convo as Hali.

Pascal's offensive game is better than Barnes, but Barnes has a better defensive game.

Or maybe it's just the composition of Pascal Siakam. Dude solidified himself as elite when he got a three point shot....love how there hasn't been one single post about that.

Also, Hali is not a superstar, he is an all star. He only averages 18.6 points per game and plays no defence. I don't there is a single other player RealGM would consider a superstar with that ppg average.

Pascal averages over 20 and has him beat there too.

Would love a list of "2nd options" who average more points than the first option on playoff teams.

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #140 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Sat May 24, 2025 11:53 pm

"Whatever we did last year, we gotta do that s--- triple to even get to where was at... Don't go in [with] the mindset that comfortable like, 'Oh, we did something.' We didn't do s---," Siakam said. "We got to the Eastern Conference finals, that don't mean nothing. We still gotta go out there and f---ing be the dogs that we are. Every single night, run fast, play fast, do what we do. Can't be comfortable, that's what will kill you."

-Pascal Siakam speech to the Pacers squad in the preseason this year. Link to article and video of speech:

https://www.si.com/nba/pascal-siakams-rousing-preseason-speech-to-pacers-resurfaces-after-game-2-win