Collin Murray-Boyles Thread

[Dalek]

Great performance yesterday especially highlighting his offense skills.

It is a big difference when Mogbo is not there in his space. CMB can really carve space out for offensive boards. Also in screen and roll he was really effective. Basically he got an easy 20 doing big man things.

Not sure how he will co-exist with Mogbo, but I like the emphasis to give him the ball in better spots.

[raptorforlife88]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Guys please use your critical thinking skills here. Look at the deal Boston wound up getting for Holiday. Compare it to this, consider how utterly stupid Boston's management would have to be to instead take Simons and seconds over a top 10 lottery pick in a pretty decent draft and a better player.

If you somehow believed this, that would mean not only should Masai have been fired, but Boston's management would have to be fired as well for not taking it.

[Los_29]

Even White, Jrue and 28 for RJ, IQ and 9 makes very little sense for both teams.

[wegotthabeet]

Defensively CMB and SB are going to be killer Bs. Offensively, CMB plays without the ball, makes the right decisions, he just needs to work on the open jumpers to spread the floor. He hit a 3 today and 3/4 FT. There is no question about the fit between the two IMO.

This is how I see it too. If these two can eventually develop into the number 2 & 3 option then they’ll just need to upgrade the backcourt to find that elite number 1 down the road. Two defensively elite forwards is pretty ideal.

[niQ]

Watching him grab those offensive boards.. at times, it looked like he was just floating out there.

[TheRealDeal]

It’s actually insane how good CMB looked last night. I was focusing on him the whole game and he always puts himself in the right spots. His feel for the game is really impressive.

[ConSarnit]

CMBs form and shot doesn't look too bad which is the main thing i'm focused on right now. We've seen flashes of what he can do defensively and why he was drafted so high. I hope they get him a shooting coach because with Scottie and Yak he will be parking on that corner 3 this year.

If mechanics look not broken then people often look at FT shooting as an indicator of potential improvement. CMB's FT shooting in college suggests his overall shooting can improve (.667 to .707 FT% over his two seasons). It's don't see why this won't carry over into the league based on his reported work ethic and how he talked about his shooting work in the draft. Honestly, it's about putting in the work to actually improve. I'm confident in the team's ability to support this—Scottie shot .621 in college and is at .761 in the NBA on free throws. Scottie's overall shooting has also improved and if you recall he was drafted with the same shooting concerns as CMB.

I think it’s possible CMB has more shooting potential than Barnes. Barnes release from 3 is slow and that almost never equates to becoming a good shooter. CMB’s form don’t look broken and he’s got a reasonable speed release.

I think it’s tougher to diagnose shot mechanic issues on film. Shooting flaws stand out far more in person. I’m nowhere near an expert (at all) but shooting flaws look way worse live than they do on tv in my experience. You can really see whose shot is broke when you’re at a game watching warmups.

[tecumseh18]

Props to Bobby for drafting this kid

Bobby is where he is because he's a CBA expert. Masai started as a scout. Masai insisted on sticking around until the draft, and made the initial call to CMB. Behind Masai of course is the highly respected Dan Tolzman as head of scouting.

So why, oh why, would you give credit to Bobby for this, or any draft? Please explain your reasoning.

Oh my sweet child. You’ve been brainwashed thinking Masai was responsible for every good decision and Bobby for every bad decision.

I query your thesis with verifiable facts. You respond with condescending smarm.

Is that how things normally play out in your work and home life?

[tsherkin]

Bobby is where he is because he's a CBA expert. Masai started as a scout. Masai insisted on sticking around until the draft, and made the initial call to CMB. Behind Masai of course is the highly respected Dan Tolzman as head of scouting.

So why, oh why, would you give credit to Bobby for this, or any draft? Please explain your reasoning.

Oh my sweet child. You’ve been brainwashed thinking Masai was responsible for every good decision and Bobby for every bad decision.

I query your thesis with verifiable facts. You respond with condescending smarm.

Is that how things normally play out in your work and home life?

Both of you, stop it, please.

[Gavin_TDThree]

If CMB's 3 comes along, is there a world in which he can play the 3? The top half of his jumpshot is smooth, it's just the base that needs cleaned up.

I think he can guard the 3 in the NBA on defence and on offence he just needs to be more of a floor spacer. HIs ability to get downhill and finish with a smooth touch at the rim is huge for us.

[Basketball_Jones]

If CMB's 3 comes along, is there a world in which he can play the 3? The top half of his jumpshot is smooth, it's just the base that needs cleaned up.

I think he can guard the 3 in the NBA on defence and on offence he just needs to be more of a floor spacer. HIs ability to get downhill and finish with a smooth touch at the rim is huge for us.

Too early to tell. He’s being used 100 percent right now as a big that doesn’t handle possessions just catch and finish. Whether that’s how it is long term remains to be seen. I suspect we won’t know much about his ball handling/creation abilities until a year out or two. I do think as a catch and shoot option he’s probably viable someday.

[Psubs]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Guys please use your critical thinking skills here. Look at the deal Boston wound up getting for Holiday. Compare it to this, consider how utterly stupid Boston's management would have to be to instead take Simons and seconds over a top 10 lottery pick in a pretty decent draft and a better player.

If you somehow believed this, that would mean not only should Masai have been fired, but Boston's management would have to be fired as well for not taking it.

Boston salary dumped Jrue as Simons only has 1 year remaining. Had RJ been expiring they would likely take RJ as he could fill the Tatum void for a year.

[Psubs]

If CMB's 3 comes along, is there a world in which he can play the 3? The top half of his jumpshot is smooth, it's just the base that needs cleaned up.

I think he can guard the 3 in the NBA on defence and on offence he just needs to be more of a floor spacer. HIs ability to get downhill and finish with a smooth touch at the rim is huge for us.

Too early to tell. He’s being used 100 percent right now as a big that doesn’t handle possessions just catch and finish. Whether that’s how it is long term remains to be seen. I suspect we won’t know much about his ball handling/creation abilities until a year out or two. I do think as a catch and shoot option he’s probably viable someday.

CMB zips his passes around with such force.

[WuTang_OG]

I know its SL but this guy's instincts are unmatched. It's going to translate at the next level. He proccesses 2 plays ahead - it's going to be special in a Darko system. Really intriguing prospect with the size, defensive ability, motor

[manjusaka]

If CMB's 3 comes along, is there a world in which he can play the 3? The top half of his jumpshot is smooth, it's just the base that needs cleaned up.

I think he can guard the 3 in the NBA on defence and on offence he just needs to be more of a floor spacer. HIs ability to get downhill and finish with a smooth touch at the rim is huge for us.

He would still be a 4 but a do it all 4. SB can take the3.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I know its SL but this guy's instincts are unmatched. It's going to translate at the next level. He proccesses 2 plays ahead - it's going to be special in a Darko system. Really intriguing prospect with the size, defensive ability, motor

I look forward to seeing him getting some of the playmaking reps Yak gets

[Axe Dragon]

I missed something. Why is he the detonator?

Because he blows up plays with his defense???

Axe


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[nikster]

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/report-celtics-turned-down-toronto-raptors-rj-barrett-offer-for-jrue-holiday if Masai really offered this I am glad he is gone

Guys please use your critical thinking skills here. Look at the deal Boston wound up getting for Holiday. Compare it to this, consider how utterly stupid Boston's management would have to be to instead take Simons and seconds over a top 10 lottery pick in a pretty decent draft and a better player.

If you somehow believed this, that would mean not only should Masai have been fired, but Boston's management would have to be fired as well for not taking it.

Boston salary dumped Jrue as Simons only has 1 year remaining. Had RJ been expiring they would likely take RJ as he could fill the Tatum void for a year.

But no way that makes up for the difference in value. Boston is looking to retool for 26-27, and at that point RJ would be an expiring to trade and they would a top 10 pick to dangle with him. There is no way the Portland trade would make more sense for Boston

[nikster]

Great performance yesterday especially highlighting his offense skills.

It is a big difference when Mogbo is not there in his space. CMB can really carve space out for offensive boards. Also in screen and roll he was really effective. Basically he got an easy 20 doing big man things.

Not sure how he will co-exist with Mogbo, but I like the emphasis to give him the ball in better spots.

You can really see how strong he is on some of those plays. The one screen he sets the defense just bounces off him, and when hes in position down low for the offensive rebound they can't budge him

[grant101]

Except for the shooting, CMB is just so damn good at basketball. Great connective passer (with creation upside IMO). I also love that he plays with such controlled force. He's going to be hard to keep off the floor.

In terms of areas for improvement, I really think he should start with the middy. build confidence in that elbow, foul line and baseline jumper, and his entire offensive game will open up so much. A 3pt would be nice, obviously, but I really think he should start building confidence in the shot from closer in