TWO Appreciation Thread

[NinjaBro]

Bump lol

[VanWest82]

Bump lol

If we lose tonight this is on you NinjaBro

[PhilBlackson]

I think this thread was made more in jest but I dunno lol

Personally I think there's more of my Expectation vs "Hope".

My EXPECTATION is that we're a Top 6 team/legit Playoff team in the East coming into the season and I still think that's both very much the goal & expectation for management as a whole (both FO & Coaching Staff). Bobby doesn't heave REAL security, this was an obvious "let's see what you got..." play and if he lives up to it then it's his. But obviously we have to WIN, first and foremost. He has to publicly lower expectations to try his damn best to "control the narrative". But I don't think anyone buys that. We all know the goal is to make the Playoffs (period)...and really we want is to be a LEGIT Playoff team (ie/ top 6) so that there's a BELIEF that we were starting to build something legit.

If not, what are we doing here?! lol So yeah I think we'll even look to upgrade at the deadline because that's the truth of the matter. So one way or the other (even via the PlayIn)...even if someone major gets injured, I don't think they back down. I think they're gonna fight tooth & nail to prove to themselves they have "something"...

My "hope" and I say that loosely, because my actual hope is that they're a legit top 6 team this year, that may not be the right decision because this is a fantastic draft to tank in but I just like these collection of guys that much that I want them to experience success because it feels like they're working so hard they deserve that as an outcome. BUUUUUUUT...if (*knock on wood*) there happens to be a substantial (ie/ months out) type of injury to either of BI or Scottie, then personally I "hope" they don't fight for that Play In spot.

I obv get it...we want those guys to get their dues and earn that Playoff experience buuuut this is SUCH A GOOD draft. Usually there's just that one clear stud and a lot of damn good 2nd options at the top but this one has THREE and even aside from them there's some all-star like potential probably another 5 or so spots behind. Each year now HALF of the top 4 has been teams in that 6-9 range and 11-14 range. Obv we would be in the 2nd range and guess where the last two 1sts overall landed. If we land in the top 4 (which there would be a REAL possibility) then yeah I "hope" we don't go for the Play-In and even if we don't jump into the top 4, I could see this upcoming draft have someone who just falls outta the top 10 end up being a top 5 talent. There are no guarantees but I like our chances to make a SERIOUS ceiling upgrade IF the decision is to PlayIn or Not, I say NOT (my hope), I think the FO will say YES (expectation).

Also keep in mind one (if not 2) of *ATL, IND or BOS has a good probability of adding a top 4 pick moving forward too...

[NinjaBro]

Bump lol

If we lose tonight this is on you NinjaBro

[720]

I think probably the most important thing for me in my experience of TWO, was the level of challenge they provided. There was nothing like the way they could really all come at you at once. It helped me with my development of quick thinking and ability to respond to Multiple jabs at once. It was like a game tackle and football.

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

[NotMyKawhi]

The schedule is hell January on. If we stay 500, easy path to bottom 5

[metafisical]

I still hope we tank this season. Only time I cheer for this team if it gets to the NBA finals. I still have hope.

[Shakril]

I think probably the most important thing for me in my experience of TWO, was the level of challenge they provided. There was nothing like the way they could really all come at you at once. It helped me with my development of quick thinking and ability to respond to Multiple jabs at once. It was like a game tackle and football.

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

[YogurtProducer]

I think probably the most important thing for me in my experience of TWO, was the level of challenge they provided. There was nothing like the way they could really all come at you at once. It helped me with my development of quick thinking and ability to respond to Multiple jabs at once. It was like a game tackle and football.

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

You only appear to complain about the lack of tanking - you're not even a real fan

Thousands of great posts were made - they just didn't fit your viewpoint so you ignored them. You, are the one who failed epically.

[Dennis 37]

I think probably the most important thing for me in my experience of TWO, was the level of challenge they provided. There was nothing like the way they could really all come at you at once. It helped me with my development of quick thinking and ability to respond to Multiple jabs at once. It was like a game tackle and football.

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

You kind of proved his point.

[Dennis 37]

I still hope we tank this season. Only time I cheer for this team if it gets to the NBA finals. I still have hope.

No, no, no. I watched or listened to the Blue Jays, every game from 1983 to 1994. Bandwagoners will never feel the full joy of a championship.

If you didn't earn the self confidence to get a girlfriend in May of 2016, and know why that is significant, then that 2019 championship just can't mean as much to you.

[720]

I think probably the most important thing for me in my experience of TWO, was the level of challenge they provided. There was nothing like the way they could really all come at you at once. It helped me with my development of quick thinking and ability to respond to Multiple jabs at once. It was like a game tackle and football.

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

You only appear to complain about the lack of tanking - you're not even a real fan

Thousands of great posts were made - they just didn't fit your viewpoint so you ignored them. You, are the one who failed epically.

yOu’Re nOt a ReAl fAn

Sure bud. You were a bigger Vanvleet fan than a raptors fan for like 4 years and that whole experiment failed epically like many of us predicted. Now you’re gonna call me not a real fan because I didn’t want us to linger in mediocrity the past few years.

You were wrong about every prediction you ever made about this team.

[720]

I think probably the most important thing for me in my experience of TWO, was the level of challenge they provided. There was nothing like the way they could really all come at you at once. It helped me with my development of quick thinking and ability to respond to Multiple jabs at once. It was like a game tackle and football.

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

[everdiso]

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Definitely weird how crappy Siakam OG and Fred insantly became top-2/3 players on "legit contenders" the moment they left.

[720]

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Definitely weird how crappy Siakam OG and Fred insantly became top-2/3 players on "legit contenders" the moment they left.

Any team Vanvleet is top 3 in isn’t a contender. Siakam is a clear number 2.

[Shakril]

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Thats what is so sad about you. You are so delusional, that you are making up your own facts.

[canz55]

If there was a guarantee BI was healthy all year then you trade this years pick with RJ and other pieces for something.

[Clutch0z24]

Its funny, that those that are wrong most of the time, are the ones that attack the most. He actually makes very good points. The whole TWO contingency was wrong on nearly every aspect, and they still want to tank (just read the two posts above), despite us playing well.

This is only true if you lived in some alternate reality?

We told you clowns that trading those 1sts for Thad and poeltl was bad and guess what now in hindsight? They were bad.

We also told you guys Fred and Siakam are not it and that we should trade them early in order to tank. Instead what happened? We kept them for too long and Fred left for nothing and Siakam lost his value.

Literally everything you TeamMediocre members predicted ended up being wrong.

Thats what is so sad about you. You are so delusional, that you are making up your own facts.

I mean....Hes not wrong here....The Thad trade was bad and Thad didn't even like playing here and talked smack about us not long ago....Thad did not contribute to anything on the team and maybe costed us Kessler...

Many were saying FVV/Siakam lead teams were a bad idea and should pivote in another direction much earlier than we did....And we prolly end up with twice the assets we have now if we start the pivot earlier instead of holding onto them for so long.

Many said the Jakob trade was a bad idea and he is not the savior C to put all your eggs in that basket because he does not really fit since he Can't stretch the floor or rim protect....Id say that was still a bad move because we prolly draft a younger C with more potential by now...(Lively/Kessler/Ware/Edey/Wemby if we tanked)

Waiting too long to move Lowry so his value also tanked and we got a pretty bad return for him, Trading Powell for a chucker in GTJR....I mean we can point out to so many bad moves that set us back and kept us in the mid team spot.

How i personally see the NBA and how to do it....You either are a team that goes all in to try and compete by trading all your best assets for players that can help you compete now and be one of the top teams in the NBA. Or you build through the draft and try and build up a young core that has Championship team upside and no in between....

I feel this front office has been trying to do both things at the same time and that is keeping us in LALA land with not much to be excited about or cheer for and i think thats what made everyone so upset and uninterested. Unable to trade for any stars who can help u win and not getting high end draft picks to draft game changing talents....Both are ways to compete and idc which one we do but just pick a lane and go for either one don't half ass both and expect good results like we have been....We try to compete we half ass it and can't land any players in a trade to actually help us compete, We try to tank and half ass it so we don't pick high enough for a difference maker. I think thats the issue here.

[YogurtProducer]

You never made a valid point ever and failed epically. But okay.

You only appear to complain about the lack of tanking - you're not even a real fan

Thousands of great posts were made - they just didn't fit your viewpoint so you ignored them. You, are the one who failed epically.

yOu’Re nOt a ReAl fAn

Sure bud. You were a bigger Vanvleet fan than a raptors fan for like 4 years and that whole experiment failed epically like many of us predicted. Now you’re gonna call me not a real fan because I didn’t want us to linger in mediocrity the past few years.

You were wrong about every prediction you ever made about this team.

Strange, I wasn’t ever even a big FVV fan, like at all. I simply just wasn’t deluded into thinking he was holding Scottie back or that he was a negative player. The narrative among a select few posters (such as yourself) just got so extreme that even neutrality towards FVV to you sounded like a stan-fest.

I really wasn’t wrong about every prediction at all. You never bother to actually read posts from differs viewpoints than your own, so you don’t even know what my opinion was/is. You continue to make it abundantly clear on that front.

But the funniest part of all this is, the team is currently playing fairly well and I don’t really think it’s due to any sort do tanking

yOu’Re nOt a ReAl fAn

when all you do is cry about no tanking, and then return in the middle of the season (for the first time in a while as far as I remember), to only a TWO appreciation thread, to again cry about it…

[anotherhomer]

the MLSE board prolly had something to do with us, making a lot of short-sighted trade moves in 2021-2022 and 2022-2023
- Thad trade costing us either Nembbard from Pacers, or Kessler from Utah
- the Jakob trade costing us draft position in 2023 draft, missing out on Cason Wallace, Lively, one of Thompson brothers, or Bilal
- passing on Bucks offer for FVV, costing us a FRP and Grayson

but again, there were moves in hindsight, that FO made mistakes on
- Norm trade , one that made sense at the time but didn't work out
- signing Porter over Malik Monk (we needed any capable backup guard)
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