OT: Giannis / Bucks Trade Coming?

[JB7]

Yes, Raps are in a good place. Barnes and BI are working well together. The Core 4 looks good together. They are young and healthy. Why blow that all up for a player that probably doesn't want to be here.

[PushDaRock]

Yes, Raps are in a good place. Barnes and BI are working well together. The Core 4 looks good together. They are young and healthy. Why blow that all up for a player that probably doesn't want to be here.

We wouldn't get him unless he wanted to come here

[ConSarnit]

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I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

[mtcan]

Yes, Raps are in a good place. Barnes and BI are working well together. The Core 4 looks good together. They are young and healthy. Why blow that all up for a player that probably doesn't want to be here.

We wouldn't get him unless he wanted to come here

We would have a nice combination of players that can contribute now at a reasonably high level and prospects/picks without completely gutting the depth.

Are we willing to give up CMB, Gradey and all the picks in addition to IQ and either RJ/Poeltl to make salaries work?

Shead
BI
Scottie
Giannis
Poeltl

...is that a contender?

[PushDaRock]

Yes, Raps are in a good place. Barnes and BI are working well together. The Core 4 looks good together. They are young and healthy. Why blow that all up for a player that probably doesn't want to be here.

We wouldn't get him unless he wanted to come here

We would have a nice combination of players that can contribute now at a reasonably high level and prospects/picks without completely gutting the depth.

Are we willing to give up CMB, Gradey and all the picks in addition to IQ and either RJ/Poeltl to make salaries work?

Shead
BI
Scottie
Giannis
Poeltl

...is that a contender?

It's likely Scottie going the other way in any trade.

[PushDaRock]

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I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

The whole situation is strange, it would have been best for both sides to have moved on in the summer.

[mtcan]

We wouldn't get him unless he wanted to come here

We would have a nice combination of players that can contribute now at a reasonably high level and prospects/picks without completely gutting the depth.

Are we willing to give up CMB, Gradey and all the picks in addition to IQ and either RJ/Poeltl to make salaries work?

Shead
BI
Scottie
Giannis
Poeltl

...is that a contender?

It's likely Scottie going the other way in any trade.

No way Scottie is going anywhere.

There are no star for star trades anymore.

Best the Bucks can hope for are guys that can help them win now (since they don't own some of their own picks including this upcoming draft which is the swap with New Orleans/Atlanta) and picks/prospects.

The haul will be prospects like CMB and Gradey along with several years worth of picks and swaps.

[ConSarnit]

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I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

The whole situation is strange, it would have been best for both sides to have moved on in the summer.

I think Giannis wants out he just doesn’t want to be the bad guy.

[ConSarnit]

We would have a nice combination of players that can contribute now at a reasonably high level and prospects/picks without completely gutting the depth.

Are we willing to give up CMB, Gradey and all the picks in addition to IQ and either RJ/Poeltl to make salaries work?

Shead
BI
Scottie
Giannis
Poeltl

...is that a contender?

It's likely Scottie going the other way in any trade.

No way Scottie is going anywhere.

There are no star for star trades anymore.

Best the Bucks can hope for are guys that can help them win now (since they don't own some of their own picks including this upcoming draft which is the swap with New Orleans/Atlanta) and picks/prospects.

The haul will be prospects like CMB and Gradey along with several years worth of picks and swaps.

If we offer CMB, Dick and some mediocre picks the Bucks are going to laugh in our faces.

The Bucks HAVE to get some of their own picks back in any Giannis trade. They aren’t going to try and rebuild around picks in the 20’s (which is what we’d be giving them if we get Giannis and keep the majority of our core).

[PushDaRock]

I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

The whole situation is strange, it would have been best for both sides to have moved on in the summer.

I think Giannis wants out he just doesn’t want to be the bad guy.

Seems that way, otherwise he would shut it all down and say it himself explicitly that he has no interest in leaving.

[JB7]

Yes, Raps are in a good place. Barnes and BI are working well together. The Core 4 looks good together. They are young and healthy. Why blow that all up for a player that probably doesn't want to be here.

We wouldn't get him unless he wanted to come here

Agreed. But even if he was fine coming here, I don't think it would even be the right move, with where the team is now. I have been surprised by how well Barnes and BI have meshed together. Don't think it is worth messing that up.

Barnes & BI are the kind of stars that work for TO. Not too big, that they view Toronto as too small of a market for them.

[mdenny]

OKC should be all over this. They could extend their window for years. It wont hurt as much when they lose all their depth with Shai/giannis/Jdub.

Thsir current big 3 isn't a champ favorite without the depth. Replacing chet with Giannis makes it so.

[WuTang_CMB]

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I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

shows incompetence / no plan from the FO / spinning their wheels

[mtcan]

I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

The whole situation is strange, it would have been best for both sides to have moved on in the summer.

I think Giannis wants out he just doesn’t want to be the bad guy.

What was KD traded to Houston for? Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks.

What did Minnesota get back for KAT? Julius Randle and Donte Divincenzo

What did San Antonio pay to get DeAaron Fox? Sidy Cissoko, 3 first round picks and some second round picks. Sacramento also got Zach Lavine's horrible contract as well.


So yes...prospects, picks and productive players (IQ/RJ/Poeltl) are about the going rate for star players these days.

You would rather have picks and prospects over KAT from NY who won't make the Bucks a winner but has a huge contract. Just more mediocrity in Milwaukee. Knicks have no real picks to trade and have no decent prospects to trade.

[PushDaRock]

The whole situation is strange, it would have been best for both sides to have moved on in the summer.

I think Giannis wants out he just doesn’t want to be the bad guy.

What was KD traded to Houston for? Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks.

What did Minnesota get back for KAT? Julius Randle and Donte Divincenzo

What did San Antonio pay to get DeAaron Fox? Sidy Cissoko, 3 first round picks and some second round picks. Sacramento also got Zach Lavine's horrible contract as well.


So yes...prospects, picks and productive players (IQ/RJ/Poeltl) are about the going rate for star players these days.

Why are you comparing Giannis who is a top 3 player in the world to those guys?

[mtcan]

I think Giannis wants out he just doesn’t want to be the bad guy.

What was KD traded to Houston for? Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks.

What did Minnesota get back for KAT? Julius Randle and Donte Divincenzo

What did San Antonio pay to get DeAaron Fox? Sidy Cissoko, 3 first round picks and some second round picks. Sacramento also got Zach Lavine's horrible contract as well.


So yes...prospects, picks and productive players (IQ/RJ/Poeltl) are about the going rate for star players these days.

Why are you comparing Giannis who is a top 3 player in the world to those guys?

Giannis good but he ain't top 3. Top 10...sure.

Point stands...Kyrie got traded for less. Harden didn't get you another huge star. These are the kinds of return you get. We aren't trading star for star. And yes Luka for AD and Max Christie doesn't happen with a competent GM in Dallas...it just doesn't happen.

[PushDaRock]

What was KD traded to Houston for? Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks.

What did Minnesota get back for KAT? Julius Randle and Donte Divincenzo

What did San Antonio pay to get DeAaron Fox? Sidy Cissoko, 3 first round picks and some second round picks. Sacramento also got Zach Lavine's horrible contract as well.


So yes...prospects, picks and productive players (IQ/RJ/Poeltl) are about the going rate for star players these days.

Why are you comparing Giannis who is a top 3 player in the world to those guys?

Giannis good but he ain't top 3. Top 10...sure.

Point stands...Kyrie got traded for less. Harden didn't get you another huge star. These are the kinds of return you get. We aren't trading star for star.

Are you serious?

He's the 4th best player in the world at worst if you want to put Luka in front of him. Who else do you have in front of him?

[dTox]

What was KD traded to Houston for? Jalen Green and Dillon Brooks.

What did Minnesota get back for KAT? Julius Randle and Donte Divincenzo

What did San Antonio pay to get DeAaron Fox? Sidy Cissoko, 3 first round picks and some second round picks. Sacramento also got Zach Lavine's horrible contract as well.


So yes...prospects, picks and productive players (IQ/RJ/Poeltl) are about the going rate for star players these days.

Why are you comparing Giannis who is a top 3 player in the world to those guys?

Giannis good but he ain't top 3. Top 10...sure.

Point stands...Kyrie got traded for less. Harden didn't get you another huge star. These are the kinds of return you get. We aren't trading star for star. And yes Luka for AD and Max Christie doesn't happen with a competent GM in Dallas...it just doesn't happen.

I'm sorry to say this, but Giannis is going to fetch a package closer to what OKC got for PG than what teams got for a very old KD, and no where near as good players like Kyrie, Fox, Kat, etc. The only way they would trade Giannis to us, is if we include Scottie + Unprotected picks, so I think we are pretty much out of the running. Giannis has also extended recently with the Bucks, so the leverage is much stronger in this instance with the Bucks.

[nivisi9]

I think its 95% hes going to the Spurs.

no one is going to beat their package and its probably the one other place Giannis would want /accept trade besides new york..

The allure of pairing Wemby + Giannis will be to inticing and Spurs will pay up the package that they are capable to get it done.

[TorontoBarneys]

What kind of package could we put together?

Poeltl+CMB+One of DIck/Walter/Agbaji+salary filler+multiple 1sts?