Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 10

[Sandman88]

Deserved non selections for Scottie and B.I. Left a lot of wins on the table and should not be rewarded as such.

[TheAlchemist23]

Hope he realizes no one cares about 19 ppg on a mid team. Voting ordered candidates by ppg for a reason, that's a big reason why he didn't get enough votes.

[TheAlchemist23]

He has used the move where he keeps the defender at his hips while going into his offense (the Kawhi move), and the low swing swing through on shots in the paint, but he doesn't use it nearly enough. He also needs to get it into refs' heads that he needs more freethrows by consistently putting pressure on them, because he gets hosed a ton inside for some reason along with Ingram. The screaming helps. Dude is badly disrespected by refs (not sure if a Toronto thing). It has a huge impact on his TS% and other offensive stats which should offset his terrible 3 point shooting.

He's also too vertical with his inside game, not enough use of putting his body in diagonal angles, whether toward the defender going to the rim or away once he receives contact.

[Tripod]

Hope he realizes no one cares about 19 ppg on a mid team. Voting ordered candidates by ppg for a reason, that's a big reason why he didn't get enough votes.

Was he ever going to beat out Brown, Cade, Brunson, Maxey, Giannis? No.

PPG matter...yet the #5, 7, 9, and 10 guys didn't make it either.

Hell, the #2 scorer in the West didn't make it.

No one ever thought Barnes would start, but he 100% deserves to be there once the coaches add the reserves.

[dTox]

Man f*** Dougie, you know he didn't vote for Scott

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[tsherkin]

Hope he realizes no one cares about 19 ppg on a mid team. Voting ordered candidates by ppg for a reason, that's a big reason why he didn't get enough votes.

One day, we will teach the unwashed masses the error of their ways. But that day is not today, lmao.

[Thaddy]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

[HumbleRen]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

[YogurtProducer]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

I could see maybe a 2nd option on a perfect fit. No reason why he couldn't be SGA's #2 for example.

Not that we can ever aspire to be OKC

[Tripod]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

Even that is somewhat not true.

Siakam was the Raps 2nd leading scorer our championship year posting 19ppg and 27.9% from 3 in the playoffs.

But reality is from the get-go, we said we need to surround Barnes with shooting. We have failed with that. But we have added natural scorerers in BI and RJ. If IQ was being the shooter he can be, that would help too.

Barnes simply doesn't have a scorers mentality like a RJ or BI because he has lacked that skill thru HS and college. When drafted, he was regarded as a zero level scorer who is likely furthest away from reaching possible potential. But yet we are 5 years in and has a ROTY and likely a 2nd All Star nod. He 100% can keep improving but scoring won't be natural, he will look to pass 1st.

I just want the Raps to get healthy so we can see just how good they can be. Shead, Mamu, CMB, good Walter+starters...is a pretty good 9 where we can run 2-3 starters at all time come playoff time.

[HangTime]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

Even that is somewhat not true.

Siakam was the Raps 2nd leading scorer our championship year posting 19ppg and 27.9% from 3 in the playoffs.

But reality is from the get-go, we said we need to surround Barnes with shooting. We have failed with that. But we have added natural scorerers in BI and RJ. If IQ was being the shooter he can be, that would help too.

Barnes simply doesn't have a scorers mentality like a RJ or BI because he has lacked that skill thru HS and college. When drafted, he was regarded as a zero level scorer who is likely furthest away from reaching possible potential. But yet we are 5 years in and has a ROTY and likely a 2nd All Star nod. He 100% can keep improving but scoring won't be natural, he will look to pass 1st.

I just want the Raps to get healthy so we can see just how good they can be. Shead, Mamu, CMB, good Walter+starters...is a pretty good 9 where we can run 2-3 starters at all time come playoff time.

I don't think that's completely true. His natural insticnt is to get everyone involved, but I think that more strategic than lack of scoring mindset.

I look it as, regular season pain for post season gain.

In the regular season, for the most part, you can see he's trying to make his teammates better. The more ready they are for the playoffs, the more he can do in the playoffs.

If it was the other way around, and he was dominating nightly, and no one else was developing, then we're screwed for the playoffs, because the others didn't get the regular reps.

[HumbleRen]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

I could see maybe a 2nd option on a perfect fit. No reason why he couldn't be SGA's #2 for example.

Not that we can ever aspire to be OKC

I don’t see it. He’s still too limited, maybe in a year or 2.

[YogurtProducer]

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

I could see maybe a 2nd option on a perfect fit. No reason why he couldn't be SGA's #2 for example.

Not that we can ever aspire to be OKC

I don’t see it. He’s still too limited, maybe in a year or 2.

OKC won with Jalen Williams as their #2. I don't think the gap between him and Barnes is large by any means.

[HumbleRen]

I could see maybe a 2nd option on a perfect fit. No reason why he couldn't be SGA's #2 for example.

Not that we can ever aspire to be OKC

I don’t see it. He’s still too limited, maybe in a year or 2.

OKC won with Jalen Williams as their #2. I don't think the gap between him and Barnes is large by any means.

Not this season sure but Jalen Williams was able to drop 40 with a fractured wrist in a pivotal game 5 in the finals. Averaged 23 in the finals ..

I’m just not sure you can rely on Scottie to do that yet. He can barely do it for us right now.

[YogurtProducer]

I don’t see it. He’s still too limited, maybe in a year or 2.

OKC won with Jalen Williams as their #2. I don't think the gap between him and Barnes is large by any means.

Not this season sure but Jalen Williams was able to drop 40 with a fractured wrist in a pivotal game 5 in the finals. Averaged 23 in the finals ..

I’m just not sure you can rely on Scottie to do that yet. He can barely do it for us right now.

Sure we cant with our current team construction.

But give Scottie SGA to take the majority of the pressure, and Chet to draw out the help defence, and his offense would explode.

[tsherkin]

OKC won with Jalen Williams as their #2. I don't think the gap between him and Barnes is large by any means.

He's more aggressive and a better shooter, which does end up making a big difference on the offensive end. Naturally, hard to separate out the SGA effect from how he plays, though.

[Tripod]

OKC won with Jalen Williams as their #2. I don't think the gap between him and Barnes is large by any means.

He's more aggressive and a better shooter, which does end up making a big difference on the offensive end. Naturally, hard to separate out the SGA effect from how he plays, though.

If Barnes posted 16.8ppg on 47% and 30% from 3 in year 4, Raps fans would be losing their mind.

[tsherkin]

OKC won with Jalen Williams as their #2. I don't think the gap between him and Barnes is large by any means.

He's more aggressive and a better shooter, which does end up making a big difference on the offensive end. Naturally, hard to separate out the SGA effect from how he plays, though.

If Barnes posted 16.8ppg on 47% and 30% from 3 in year 4, Raps fans would be losing their mind.

Barnes posted 19/8/6 on under 45% FG in his fourth year. Williams has already missed 20 games due to injury, and was around 22/5/5 last year. So there's some context to be applied, as ever.

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[Vampirate]

He needs to be better at scoring. Non C without a 3pt shot isn't a star or a winning player. I don't see us getting a title with Barnes unless he improves a lot.

You can definitely be a star or winning player, he’s doing it right now. He just can’t ever be the 1st or 2nd scoring option on a championship team. I feel like that expectation or hope kinda went out the window last year.

He’s still a third team all nba caliber player right now. That’s always a positive to have on a team.

You cannot build a championship around Barnes but there's a good shot you can build one with Barnes.

That being said, I don't think we have it in us in assets to actually get a championship #1 option. But should we need to trade him, a Draymond Green on steroids type player is still going to be looked at as valuable depending on a team needs.

There are actually star players that are neither, Trey Young is likely one of those players, his drawbacks outweigh his perks, and his perks means he needs the ball alot in his hands.