PG: BENCH SLOBS SHART THE COURT

[Los_29]

Fair to say he wasn’t great. But he wasn’t a quality rotation piece. He was their best player and best offensive player by a mile. lol.

I think that says more about South Carolina than it does about CMB, but it's still a fair point!

It’s fair to say he was a good offensive player. Good passer, good interior scorer, could take players off the dribble too.

Yep.

Says more about him. He posted a TS% of 63% while having a usage rate of 27%. Quality rotation pieces don’t really do that.

[HumbleRen]

The starting lineup is built to be a win now team. Wasting time investing in non talented young players on our bench is a waste of time. 2 timelines don't work.

Pick a direction. It's fine having 1-2 guys on a rookie contract coming off your bench but 4 of the your bench guys are on rookie contracts. No Bueno.

[Tha Cynic]

Denver had 34 free throws this game and the raptors had 21. Raptors had more points in the paint.

Was this legit or another one of those typical Raptors reffed games

[HumbleRen]

Denver had 34 free throws this game and the raptors had 21. Raptors had more points in the paint.

Was this legit or another one of those typical Raptors reffed games

We intentionally fouled them like 5 times in the 4th to stop the clock.

Also intentionally fouled JV alot, we couldn't stop him lol.

[JB7]

The starting lineup is built to be a win now team. Wasting time investing in non talented young players on our bench is a waste of time. 2 timelines don't work.

Pick a direction. It's fine having 1-2 guys on a rookie contract coming off your bench but 4 of the your bench guys are on rookie contracts. No Bueno.

The bench full of players on rookie deals is out of necessity, to stay close to the tax limit.

Unless vets are willing to take minimum deals to go to the Raps, it is what they are left with.

[JB7]

Denver had 34 free throws this game and the raptors had 21. Raptors had more points in the paint.

Was this legit or another one of those typical Raptors reffed games

Refs had to keep the Nuggets in the game somehow

[tsherkin]

Says more about him. He posted a TS% of 63% while having a usage rate of 27%. Quality rotation pieces don’t really do that.

32 games, relatively low volume, playing for the worst team (and worst offense) in the conference. Like, yeah, he was efficient on his 10.5 shots per game, but I don't know how much one should really be crowing about that.

[C_Money]

Denver had 34 free throws this game and the raptors had 21. Raptors had more points in the paint.

Was this legit or another one of those typical Raptors reffed games

Refs had to keep the Nuggets in the game somehow

We don’t have guys that can get to the rim. When we’re always losing the FT battle you have to stop blaming the refs at some point.

[HumbleRen]

The starting lineup is built to be a win now team. Wasting time investing in non talented young players on our bench is a waste of time. 2 timelines don't work.

Pick a direction. It's fine having 1-2 guys on a rookie contract coming off your bench but 4 of the your bench guys are on rookie contracts. No Bueno.

The bench full of players on rookie deals is out of necessity, to stay close to the tax limit.

Unless vets are willing to take minimum deals to go to the Raps, it is what they are left with.

You built a bad team then if that’s the case.

Bobby gotta reassess lol.

[ItsDanger]

Denver had 34 free throws this game and the raptors had 21. Raptors had more points in the paint.

Was this legit or another one of those typical Raptors reffed games

Raps didn't earn FTs in this game. Finesse style.

[Los_29]

Says more about him. He posted a TS% of 63% while having a usage rate of 27%. Quality rotation pieces don’t really do that.

32 games, relatively low volume, playing for the worst team (and worst offense) in the conference. Like, yeah, he was efficient on his 10.5 shots per game, but I don't know how much one should really be crowing about that.

I think we can agree he wasn’t a quality rotation piece but rather a good offensive player. Not great.

[JB7]

The starting lineup is built to be a win now team. Wasting time investing in non talented young players on our bench is a waste of time. 2 timelines don't work.

Pick a direction. It's fine having 1-2 guys on a rookie contract coming off your bench but 4 of the your bench guys are on rookie contracts. No Bueno.

The bench full of players on rookie deals is out of necessity, to stay close to the tax limit.

Unless vets are willing to take minimum deals to go to the Raps, it is what they are left with.

You built a bad team then if that’s the case.

Bobby gotta reassess lol.

20-15 and 4th in the East - not that bad

[JB7]

Denver had 34 free throws this game and the raptors had 21. Raptors had more points in the paint.

Was this legit or another one of those typical Raptors reffed games

Refs had to keep the Nuggets in the game somehow

We don’t have guys that can get to the rim. When we’re always losing the FT battle you have to stop blaming the refs at some point.

RJ, BI & Barnes don’t try to get to the rim?

They all had 4 or less FT attempts, while most of the starters on the Nuggets had between 6-8 FT attempts.

[HumbleRen]

The bench full of players on rookie deals is out of necessity, to stay close to the tax limit.

Unless vets are willing to take minimum deals to go to the Raps, it is what they are left with.

You built a bad team then if that’s the case.

Bobby gotta reassess lol.

20-15 and 4th in the East - not that bad

It is bad if you want to build on success long term wise. If you can’t afford to pay anyone for your bench because your starters make up that much of the cap without a single top 15 player on it then you have a problem on your hands. Especially considering RJ’s contract is going to be expiring next year and Mamu might walk after this season.

[Los_29]

You built a bad team then if that’s the case.

Bobby gotta reassess lol.

20-15 and 4th in the East - not that bad

It is bad if you want to build on success long term wise. If you can’t afford to pay anyone for your bench because your starters make up that much of the cap without a single top 15 player on it then you have a problem on your hands. Especially considering RJ’s contract is going to be expiring next year and Mamu might walk after this season.

Having young players come off the bench isn’t a new thing. Teams have been doing it for a long time now. I’d rather they develop their bench internally.

[bape_lovers]

Ingram has IT factor, jakobe vanish as soon I said he was out of my Flynn hate territory. Between him and Gradey man, we need more out of bench. Shead plays good defence, mess up on the Jamal Murray layup end.

I love Ingram man. This is exactly the type of player this team needed.

Crazy that we got him for that bum Bruce Brown. What a fleece.

Just sucks we have other weaklings (Darko, Gradey, etc.) which are holding this team back considerably.

20-15 is a solid start to the season regardless. But man, it feels like we should have a significantly better record. So many missed opportunities.

[mdenny]

Why choose making semi finals as barometer? Classic case of starting with answer and working backwards to justify the claim. Just brutal.

I remember the hype of that draft. 4 franchise players. It's 5 years later. Not one of the teams has made a conference final since.

Of course team success should be the barometer. That's the whole point.

Thats no explanation relative to the entire league at all.

My reasoning is VERY relative to the entire league. (If i understand your meaning)

If there were 4 generational talents in the 2019 draft...then you'd expect at least one of the teams who drafted them to reach the conference finals within 5 seasons.

The baramoter of "conference finals" is more "relative" than whatever measuring stick you haven't suggest yet.

[Clutch0z24]

The bench full of players on rookie deals is out of necessity, to stay close to the tax limit.

Unless vets are willing to take minimum deals to go to the Raps, it is what they are left with.

You built a bad team then if that’s the case.

Bobby gotta reassess lol.

20-15 and 4th in the East - not that bad

Shouldn't be focused on the record because that does not tell the whole story all the time...Or where the level a team is at and their actual upside at being successfull when it matters against actual good teams....You got to take in account....We have one of the worst offensive ratings in the league, While also losing to teams like Nuggets (GLeague level team), Nets, Wizards....Took everything to go absolutly perfect to beat a mid Magic team who are missing Franz/Suggs....

We got off to a hot start but when you really break down the teams we beat...It gets dicey...

W Hawks
W Cavs (Without Mitchell/Garland/Allen)
W Grizzlies (Without Morant)
W Bucks
W Hawks (Without Trae)
W Nets
W Cavs (Struggling team)
W Pacers
W Hornets (Went to the last shot)
W 76ers (Without Embiid)
W Wizards
W Heat
W Nets
W Cavs
W Pacers (Came down to a game winner)
W Blazers
W Heat
W Bucks (No Giannis)
W Warriors
W Magic

L Bucks
L Mavs
L Spurs
L Rockets
L 76ers
L Hornets
L Knicks (Blown Out)
L Lakers
L Hornets (Blown Out)
L Knicks
L Celtics
L Celtics
L Nets Lol
L Wizards Lol
L Nuggets (Gleague Squad)

To me if you actually break it down if you want to give Raptors an applause on the season we can say we beat the Cavs every matchup (One where they were missing 3 starters) but they are also having a really bad year overall....And we beat the Heat....Other than that we have no real impressive wins on the season against an actual good team in the league so far.....We have been beating up on basement dwelling tanking teams so far outside of Magic/Cavs/Heat all 3 of them in the East are also having down years as well and been injured....

Until we look like we can hang in there with the actual top tier teams in the league (Have no evidence of it yet) And we stop losing to G-League tanking rosters we can't really bragg about our record without doing a deeper dive into things and realize the big glaring flaws we have..

I know we have missed Yak for alot of games but unless i see a healthy Yak on the court with no issues and the team is actually going head to head with the actual good teams in the NBA and looking decent in the process i will not praise the Record that much because come playoff time the Record won't mean jack **** and if we play an actual good NBA team in a 7 game series these flaws we see will be exposed and we will have no chance to win...

[XTC]

Charlotte x2, Boston (the recent one), and today's game would get most head coaches fired, especially because this team is BLATANTLY trying to win lmao.

Darko makes Casey look like a genius when it comes to adjustments. Who has he honestly even developed? Atleast Casey demanded hard work from his guys, and developed Lowry + Derozan.

[Mr Fitzhume]

It’s just 1 of 82 games, injuries, bad luck, officiating, yadayada. There’s always an excuse, but we have to admit, that it’s a flawed roster with a bench that rarely shows some signs of life, a “pound the rock”-like coach, and no real upside - which is a concern for the upcoming years.