OT: Andrew Wiggins Discussion Thread

[Ragnar0k]

the colour guy has a severe man crush for Wiggins, starting to sound creepy. Shulman is from Toronto and should be doing all the gushing.

Dick Vitale is one of the all time greats in college ball commentators.

Sounds like a perv to me and reminds me of a cross between Jack Armstrong and the colour guy from the Celts (Tommy Heinson).

Actually he was kinda pervy in one of the videos I had posted earlier in this thread - it was a north carolina game when carter and jamison were freshmen. He was going on and on about how one of the UNC guys was so good looking. He probably said it like 20 times (im not exaggerating)

Good Ole dickie V

[ka-bosh!]

How has Wiggins managed to not punch his teammates in the face? Those fools were downright Raptoresque in their execution down the stretch.

[rockmanslim]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

[Ragnar0k]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

Nice stat line, though the 0 assists doesn't look too good. That's okay though, still early - he's getting more comfortable each game, he should start rounding out his game more as he gets more experience.

Then again, his teammates haven't really given him anything to pass to (at least in this game)

[Yosemite Dan]

Maybe I have high expectations but I wasn't that impressed with Wiggins today. He was Bargnani like with him just planting himself outside in the 4th quarter and chucking 3's, they just happened to go in, he still seems too timid out there and needs to be more aggressive at crunch time.

[rockmanslim]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

Nice stat line, though the 0 assists doesn't look too good. That's okay though, still early - he's getting more comfortable each game, he should start rounding out his game more as he gets more experience.

Then again, his teammates haven't really given him anything to pass to (at least in this game)

a lot of that is on him, though. unless you're a post player, you have to have handles to be able to create, both for yourself and for assists. from what i've seen, his handles need a LOT of work. this is a major reason why he's so passive with the ball.

[DG88]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

Nice stat line, though the 0 assists doesn't look too good. That's okay though, still early - he's getting more comfortable each game, he should start rounding out his game more as he gets more experience.

Then again, his teammates haven't really given him anything to pass to (at least in this game)

No one on Kansas was moving without the ball to get open. It was just passing on the perimeter, dump it down to Embiid or they tried to attack the paint going one on one. It's hard to rack up assists when that's how the offense is being run. It's not like Wiggins didn't pass the ball because he did, but he did become too unselfish near the end of the game before knocking down three 3 pointers in a row.

[Undefeated]

People just realizing Wiggins is a sniper from downtown. He was always one. It's his mid-range game that needs a lot of polishing.

[Yosemite Dan]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

Nice stat line, though the 0 assists doesn't look too good. That's okay though, still early - he's getting more comfortable each game, he should start rounding out his game more as he gets more experience.

Then again, his teammates haven't really given him anything to pass to (at least in this game)

a lot of that is on him, though. unless you're a post player, you have to have handles to be able to create, both for yourself and for assists. from what i've seen, his handles need a LOT of work. this is a major reason why he's so passive with the ball.

Totally agree, his handles are worse than I thought they would be. He seems a bit out of control when hitting the paint and not as smooth as I imagined he would be considering all the hype about his athleticsm.

[Ragnar0k]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

Nice stat line, though the 0 assists doesn't look too good. That's okay though, still early - he's getting more comfortable each game, he should start rounding out his game more as he gets more experience.

Then again, his teammates haven't really given him anything to pass to (at least in this game)

a lot of that is on him, though. unless you're a post player, you have to have handles to be able to create, both for yourself and for assists. from what i've seen, his handles need a LOT of work. this is a major reason why he's so passive with the ball.

Yup, good point. I'm sure it's something coach Self addresses and he should get better with it over time, it's still very early.

It'll all start coming into form as he gets more experience and he's more comfortable on the court.

That in itself is pretty telling just how much potential he has, when he's still raw but he's dropping 26 points, hitting back to back to back 3's and grabbing 11 boards, and we're talking about how he's still kinda raw and has things to work on.

[Matty]

Maybe I have high expectations but I wasn't that impressed with Wiggins today. He was Bargnani like with him just planting himself outside in the 4th quarter and chucking 3's, they just happened to go in, he still seems too timid out there and needs to be more aggressive at crunch time.

I think that has more to do with the system he's playing in that's more focused on giving the ball down in the post and giving the player space. If Wiggins goes deep in he's bringing his defender with him which defeats the purpose

[Chaos Engine]

26 points (7/14, 4/8 3P, 8/8 FT), 11 rebounds, 0 assists, 5 turnovers, 2 blocks

Missed the game, but nice to see him shooting perfect from the line and 50% from three. I read he shot in the 60s from the FT line in high school, seemed really low to me.

0 assists/5 TOs though not great, seems to show he's just not much of a playmaker. Hopefully I can find a torrent of this game and rewatch it.

[Undefeated]

There just isn't space for Wiggins to slash. Embiid and Perry Ellis already occupy the paint and it doesn't help that KU has no consistent shooter from outside. Wiggins is their best shooter.

[DG88]

People just realizing Wiggins is a sniper from downtown. He was always one. It's his mid-range game that needs a lot of polishing.

Yup that was one thing that he worked on a lot in highschool. Now he needs to polish up his handle and midrange game to really be a force. It's crazy that even though he's still raw he can just put points on the board.

[Ragnar0k]

There just isn't space for Wiggins to slash. Embiid and Perry Ellis already occupy the paint and it doesn't help that KU has no consistent shooter from outside. Wiggins is their best shooter.

Yeah it's hard to slash when they're packing the paint with the zone too. That's why having 3 point shooters is really important, it's a zone buster.

As a team that's what I'd be focusing on heavily over the next little while, and addressing the press.

[Undefeated]

Yup that was one thing that he worked on a lot in highschool. Now he needs to polish up his handle and midrange game to really be a force. It's crazy that even though he's still raw he can just put points on the board.

I think his handles are fine because I've seen him split ball screens with sweet moves like an inside-out dribble to freeze the defense then he attack with a thru-the-leg cross that you don't expect from a player with poor handles. He might not always dance on his defender, but I like that he's efficient with his dribble. His problem is that he doesn't get low enough on his dribble so his drives don't look all that smooth like he's a bullet and part of the reason why he struggles with ball security. If he can work on getting low he'll improve tenfold.

[Randle McMurphy]

KU was just completely shellshocked for a long period in the first half and it cost them the game. A lot of that was on their pitiful guard play. Both Wiggins and Embiid looked good again, though, on the whole.

[Son Goku 25]

Damn it, I turned that game off early lol missed what Wiggins did

[Undefeated]

Yeah it's hard to slash when they're packing the paint with the zone too. That's why having 3 point shooters is really important, it's a zone buster.

As a team that's what I'd be focusing on heavily over the next little while, and addressing the press.

Exactly. Also, when you factor in how smaller the court is it leaves very little spacing for driving lanes. One way to remedy a zone defense besides 3-point shooting is to reverse the ball quickly because that will force the defense to stay home on their man rather than jumping to the ball to overload the strong side. KU doesn't reverse the ball fast enough so that when Wiggins catches the ball he can attack immediately off the dribble.

[DG88]

Yup that was one thing that he worked on a lot in highschool. Now he needs to polish up his handle and midrange game to really be a force. It's crazy that even though he's still raw he can just put points on the board.

I think his handles are fine because I've seen him split ball screens with sweet moves like an inside-out dribble to freeze the defense then he attack with a thru-the-leg cross that you don't expect from a player with poor handles. He might not always dance on his defender, but I like that he's efficient with his dribble. His problem is that he doesn't get low enough on his dribble so his drives don't look all that smooth like he's a bullet and part of the reason why he struggles with ball security. If he can work on getting low he'll improve tenfold.

Agree he does play too upright on his drives