Tank World Order

[RapsFan2000]

If we are losing with this current format of players, then why is this thread at 59pages and counting?? The tankers should be happy about our record, the anti-tankers shouldn't be up in arms either, a high lottery pick is something this team could use, an influx of high-end talent.

The only thing I don't agree with that I see many of ya'all advocating for is trading the guys we have locked up on long terms. I'd keep FVV Pascal OG Boucher and then make our moves from there. But we definitely should be closer to even ground between the tankers and anti-tankers

Exactly. Facts! But no, lets trade the whole team away it seems lol.

[Inevitable]

I have not seen anyone advocating for a Philly style tear down. Some people just like making stuff up to argue against.

[Young_Buc]

I'm for trading FVV. Only because he's well regarded around the league and not as great as his stats. I'm for trading Lowry only because he wills the team to win and he deserves to drag a team like Philly to the promised land.

The others? Not really. Was down for Pascal for Wiseman and Wiggins but that would never happen now.

Basically trade any player who can net a better return than they'd be worth in 2 years.

Championship pedigree and 50 win seasons boosts the stock of what we know to be mediocre talent

[Son Goku 25]

Some people must be new to basketball and how basketball ops/FO works. Coaches and players don't go out there to lose on purpose.

There's a few directions a team can take depending on their outlook, sometimes you're forced into a direction and can't help it. Fortunately, the raps are in a position to really dictate what they want in the coming years.

Masai isnt a loser and would never advocate for outright losing because that's the opposite of what our culture has been. This year it is easier for Bobby and Masai to trade Lowry and Powell because it actually makes sense books wise and to not lose out on talent for nothing. Coincidentally, if it makes our team less talented then that's what you call a rebuild season- getting a top pick and prospects.

I think many of us have broken the record repeating ourselves about how it makes the most sense this year to try this out so I'll leave it at that.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

2022 1st and Curry, I'd give up Boucher.

I would think Curry is more valuable to Philly than us. I haven't watched the 76ers this year but they need shooters.

edit: and he's 6 foot 2 not even 200 lbs. Do not want.

lol Curry is shooting almost 60% from 3. and Boucher is barely 200lbs

we give them Matt Thomas or whatever, its obvious he ain't getting PT with Nurse in charge.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I have not seen anyone advocating for a Philly style tear down. Some people just like making stuff up to argue against.

i think we have to spell it out though, because that is what they are thinking.

once you sell Lowry, its TWO time. we still have the core intact. let Masai finally get to mold this team the way he wanted to with a lottery pick in a seemingly great draft. lots of value in this draft with people wanting to leave college a little early due to the potential double class of 2022. these next two drafts are going to be loaded with talent up and down the draft. high end role player types are going to be found everywhere in the mid to late first round and 2nd rounds imho.

whats not to like, to have siakam, fvv, and OG being great examples for a lottery pick. foster his love for toronto like Derozan, hopefully, and keeping the culture.

[anotherhomer]

trade lowry
rest pascal to recover

you got a tank
or rest pascal and you got a tank already

[bballsparkin]

lol Curry is shooting almost 60% from 3. and Boucher is barely 200lbs

we give them Matt Thomas or whatever, its obvious he ain't getting PT with Nurse in charge.

Exactly, Philly could use him. He's 30 and playing 30 minutes a game for them. I say do not want because I don't want to watch NN play Fred and Seth together all the time. And I thought the goal is to get prospects, picks and ideally expirings? Lol, at Boucher, true!

[Steelo Green]

If not for Dolan saying no to the Kyle deal, we would have done this a few years ago.

Obviously it worked out differently but Masai knows middle of the pack is the worst place to be.

TWO is just agreeing with what Masai wanted to do.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

lol Curry is shooting almost 60% from 3. and Boucher is barely 200lbs

we give them Matt Thomas or whatever, its obvious he ain't getting PT with Nurse in charge.

Exactly, Philly could use him. He's 30 and playing 30 minutes a game for them. I say do not want because I don't want to watch NN play Fred and Seth together all the time. And I thought the goal is to get prospects, picks and ideally expirings? Lol, at Boucher, true!

ya we need a third team to take on Harris if we were to deal with a Lowry trade. Here's a trade framework that works on trade machine:

Toronto Out: Lowry, Powell
Toronto In: Bagley, Bjelica, J.Parker, Mike Scott, Holmes, 1-2 FRP picks

Kings Out: Bagley, Bjelica, Parker, Holmes
Kings In: Tobias Harris

76ers Out: Mike Scott, Tobias Harris
76ers In: Lowry, Powell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4lyhmw3

[T-d0t]

If not for Dolan saying no to the Kyle deal, we would have done this a few years ago.

Obviously it worked out differently but Masai knows middle of the pack is the worst place to be.

TWO is just agreeing with what Masai wanted to do.

Ah I remember that, it was Shumpert+MWP+Future 1st for Kyle. Does anyone remember what year that pick would've been?

[Steelo Green]

If not for Dolan saying no to the Kyle deal, we would have done this a few years ago.

Obviously it worked out differently but Masai knows middle of the pack is the worst place to be.

TWO is just agreeing with what Masai wanted to do.

Ah I remember that, it was Shumpert+MWP+Future 1st for Kyle. Does anyone remember what year that pick would've been?

I believe that would have been the Porzingis pick but I could be wrong.

I think it was two firsts.

[YogurtProducer]

lol Curry is shooting almost 60% from 3. and Boucher is barely 200lbs

we give them Matt Thomas or whatever, its obvious he ain't getting PT with Nurse in charge.

Exactly, Philly could use him. He's 30 and playing 30 minutes a game for them. I say do not want because I don't want to watch NN play Fred and Seth together all the time. And I thought the goal is to get prospects, picks and ideally expirings? Lol, at Boucher, true!

ya we need a third team to take on Harris if we were to deal with a Lowry trade. Here's a trade framework that works on trade machine:

Toronto Out: Lowry, Powell
Toronto In: Bagley, Bjelica, J.Parker, Mike Scott, Holmes, 1-2 FRP picks

Kings Out: Bagley, Bjelica, Parker, Holmes
Kings In: Tobias Harris

76ers Out: Mike Scott, Tobias Harris
76ers In: Lowry, Powell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4lyhmw3

And that what 3 players do we cut to make this work

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Exactly, Philly could use him. He's 30 and playing 30 minutes a game for them. I say do not want because I don't want to watch NN play Fred and Seth together all the time. And I thought the goal is to get prospects, picks and ideally expirings? Lol, at Boucher, true!

ya we need a third team to take on Harris if we were to deal with a Lowry trade. Here's a trade framework that works on trade machine:

Toronto Out: Lowry, Powell
Toronto In: Bagley, Bjelica, J.Parker, Mike Scott, Holmes, 1-2 FRP picks

Kings Out: Bagley, Bjelica, Parker, Holmes
Kings In: Tobias Harris

76ers Out: Mike Scott, Tobias Harris
76ers In: Lowry, Powell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4lyhmw3

And that what 3 players do we cut to make this work

well only 2 needed since Len was already cut, we can always move Bembry as well, he makes less than 2M. that should satisfy our roster. I would cut SJ and Bembry, obviously.

Bjelica, Parker, Scott, Holmes all expiring. Bagley the big man we coveted and can develop out of the development hell called Sacramento. Holmes is interesting as well.

FVV/Flynn
TD3/Thomas/Watson/SJ
OG/Scott/Parker
Siakam/Boucher/Bjelica
Bagley/Holmes/Baynes

[Inevitable]

Imagine someone telling you the Knicks would be better than the Raptors with around 1/4 of the season done

[Syd-TK3]

lol Curry is shooting almost 60% from 3. and Boucher is barely 200lbs

we give them Matt Thomas or whatever, its obvious he ain't getting PT with Nurse in charge.

Exactly, Philly could use him. He's 30 and playing 30 minutes a game for them. I say do not want because I don't want to watch NN play Fred and Seth together all the time. And I thought the goal is to get prospects, picks and ideally expirings? Lol, at Boucher, true!

ya we need a third team to take on Harris if we were to deal with a Lowry trade. Here's a trade framework that works on trade machine:

Toronto Out: Lowry, Powell
Toronto In: Bagley, Bjelica, J.Parker, Mike Scott, Holmes, 1-2 FRP picks

Kings Out: Bagley, Bjelica, Parker, Holmes
Kings In: Tobias Harris

76ers Out: Mike Scott, Tobias Harris
76ers In: Lowry, Powell

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4lyhmw3

Sixers are playing too good right now to make any sorta trade I think

[God Squad]

Imagine someone telling you the Knicks would be better than the Raptors with around 1/4 of the season done

[Raptaz]

Some people must be new to basketball and how basketball ops/FO works. Coaches and players don't go out there to lose on purpose.

There's a few directions a team can take depending on their outlook, sometimes you're forced into a direction and can't help it. Fortunately, the raps are in a position to really dictate what they want in the coming years.

Masai isnt a loser and would never advocate for outright losing because that's the opposite of what our culture has been. This year it is easier for Bobby and Masai to trade Lowry and Powell because it actually makes sense books wise and to not lose out on talent for nothing. Coincidentally, if it makes our team less talented then that's what you call a rebuild season- getting a top pick and prospects.

I think many of us have broken the record repeating ourselves about how it makes the most sense this year to try this out so I'll leave it at that.

Takes competitiveness to succeed and be the best.

Im sure for all these athletes they want to compete and win .

I know I do all the time and I haven't been playing professional sports or dedicated my whole life to the game.

Who knows maybe they all play 2k and figure out to waste a year

[Steelo Green]

As we can see with teams like the Rockets and Thunder, teams that have had great success in the last decade, they are selling off assets that won’t help them to lose and gain more assets (draft picks + young players).

Lowry if he can be had for some combination of the two and you take it.

We can retire Kyle’s jersey. Plenty of players are moved from the team they played most of their career on and were better for it.

[Bruin]

As we can see with teams like the Rockets and Thunder, teams that have had great success in the last decade, they are selling off assets that won’t help them to lose and gain more assets (draft picks + young players).

Lowry if he can be had for some combination of the two and you take it.

We can retire Kyle’s jersey. Plenty of players are moved from the team they played most of their career on and were better for it.

The only way I might’ve not wanted to trade Kyle was if his entire career was in Toronto. But since he started with Memphis and Houston it’s not really all that big a deal to have him spend the end of his career. When he retires, he’s still mainly going to be known for his career as a raptors rather than anything else.