With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

Psubs · Post #1201 » by **Psubs** » Thu Oct 7, 2021 4:19 pm

Dalek wrote:

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If people had a choice right now, would they pick Giddey or Lamelo Ball?

Giddey looks like a slightly lesser Luka Magic.

Dalek · Post #1202 » by **Dalek** » Thu Oct 7, 2021 9:04 pm

Psubs wrote:
Dalek wrote:

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If people had a choice right now, would they pick Giddey or Lamelo Ball?

Giddey looks like a slightly lesser Luka Magic.

We will have to wait and see if Melo regresses a bit, but he looked like a superstar in the making last season. I will say that Josh is way more grounded and went through more of a formal basketball training with loads of NT experience and has a basketball family, not a reality TV family.

Not to derail too much, but Aussie basketball is really strong. Dyson Daniels is the next great Aussie, and is a possible lottery selection this year and will have some G-League time. Don't pay attention to the G-League results too much, because this kid has legit skills at 6-6 is a big point who makes his mark on defense and playmaking and is a really good athlete.

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everdiso · Post #1203 » by **everdiso** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 1:59 pm

Per36

S.Barnes 2gm, 14.8pts (56.0ts%), 8.4rb (4.2off), 7.7ast (3.5to), 2.1st, 1.4bk
J.Green 2gm, 20.7pts (47.9ts%), 7.1rb (0.6off), 2.6ast (1.3to), 1.9st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 2gm, 11.7pts (45.5ts%), 13.0rb (2.6off), 1.3ast (2.6to), 0.7st, 2.6bk
J.Suggs 2gm, 9.1pts (28.5ts%), 8.2rb (0.8off), 4.1ast (3.3to), 0.8st, 2.5bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

HumbleRen · Post #1204 » by **HumbleRen** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:03 pm

everdiso wrote:Per36

S.Barnes 2gm, 14.8pts (56.0ts%), 8.4rb (4.2off), 7.7ast (3.5to), 2.1st, 1.4bk

These numbers make me realize how ridiculous Ben Simmons rookie year was lol.

16/8/8 is wild.

everdiso · Post #1205 » by **everdiso** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:15 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
everdiso wrote:Per36

S.Barnes 2gm, 14.8pts (56.0ts%), 8.4rb (4.2off), 7.7ast (3.5to), 2.1st, 1.4bk

These numbers make me realize how ridiculous Ben Simmons rookie year was lol.

16/8/8 is wild.

Don't forget scottie's a year younger than Ben was!

Madhouse · Post #1206 » by **Madhouse** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:52 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
everdiso wrote:Per36

S.Barnes 2gm, 14.8pts (56.0ts%), 8.4rb (4.2off), 7.7ast (3.5to), 2.1st, 1.4bk

These numbers make me realize how ridiculous Ben Simmons rookie year was lol.

16/8/8 is wild.

A shame he never improved. His rookie year was sick for sure. It did help he had a redshirt year

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #1207 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 2:55 pm

God Squad wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:2 points on 7 shots in 22 minutes (-16) for Suggs in game 2.

We all need to apologize to Masai right now.

I've been trying not to troll on the GB. But from what I saw from Suggs I'm not sure he's a lead guard on a team. His handle needs to tighten up a lot and even his decision making on passes is kinda suspect. The jumper is inconsistent but I still buy into it. Suggs is a much better defender/help defender than I thought. I remember people were saying he's closer to Jrue than say Rose and I'm starting to see it. Still going to be a solid player for years to come IMO.

He’s not even the best guard on their team. Cole is so much better.

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Raps in 4 · Post #1208 » by **Raps in 4** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 4:29 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
God Squad wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:2 points on 7 shots in 22 minutes (-16) for Suggs in game 2.

We all need to apologize to Masai right now.

I've been trying not to troll on the GB. But from what I saw from Suggs I'm not sure he's a lead guard on a team. His handle needs to tighten up a lot and even his decision making on passes is kinda suspect. The jumper is inconsistent but I still buy into it. Suggs is a much better defender/help defender than I thought. I remember people were saying he's closer to Jrue than say Rose and I'm starting to see it. Still going to be a solid player for years to come IMO.

He’s not even the best guard on their team. Cole is so much better.

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Maybe there was something to the poor workout. Ainge passed on Fultz because of a bad workout too.

Vorticity · Post #1209 » by **Vorticity** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 5:01 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Scottie is our assists leader in the next few months, he needs to just get more rebounds than 3.

PhilBlackson · Post #1210 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 8:02 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
everdiso wrote:Per36

S.Barnes 2gm, 14.8pts (56.0ts%), 8.4rb (4.2off), 7.7ast (3.5to), 2.1st, 1.4bk

These numbers make me realize how ridiculous Ben Simmons rookie year was lol.

16/8/8 is wild.

Not to say that, 16/8/8 as a rookie isn't wild...hey if you can average a near triple double, idc that is hella productive and impacting the game, one way or there other.

But personally comparing Ben's numbers to Scottie's actually has the opposite effect for me.

It doesn't mean I'm not impressed by his rookie numbers, I am buuuut I don't put it in contrast with Barnes' production and leave feeling more impressed by Ben -- if anything I'm more impressed by BARNES.

Scottie isn't getting even HALF the usage (to date) that Ben was as a rookie. Scottie is doing this far more OFF the ball and still posting numbers at least to date something within the realm of what Simmons did as #1 pick that was given the reigns/the ball in his hands right out the gate. Scottie isn't getting to bring the ball up every possession like Ben was, he's lucky if he gets to a handful of a times a game so far aaaaaand he's having to figure out how to set himself up to score off the ball either on pitch out 3s to knock down or back door cuts....or he's actually being called upon to go to work in the post or create off the dribble....and has done so.

So I'm seeing one guy accomolating stats as THE primary ballhandler (also was a YEAR OLDER btw)....and another just trying to do so while blending into a team concept. I'm more impressed that the later can have similar level production to a primary ballhandler. Scottie is the one I walk away feeling impressed by, but that's just me.

alienchild · Post #1211 » by **alienchild** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 8:29 pm

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HumbleRen · Post #1212 » by **HumbleRen** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 9:59 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
everdiso wrote:Per36

S.Barnes 2gm, 14.8pts (56.0ts%), 8.4rb (4.2off), 7.7ast (3.5to), 2.1st, 1.4bk

These numbers make me realize how ridiculous Ben Simmons rookie year was lol.

16/8/8 is wild.

Not to say that, 16/8/8 as a rookie isn't wild...hey if you can average a near triple double, idc that is hella productive and impacting the game, one way or there other.

But personally comparing Ben's numbers to Scottie's actually has the opposite effect for me.

It doesn't mean I'm not impressed by his rookie numbers, I am buuuut I don't put it in contrast with Barnes' production and leave feeling more impressed by Ben -- if anything I'm more impressed by BARNES.

Scottie isn't getting even HALF the usage (to date) that Ben was as a rookie. Scottie is doing this far more OFF the ball and still posting numbers at least to date something within the realm of what Simmons did as #1 pick that was given the reigns/the ball in his hands right out the gate. Scottie isn't getting to bring the ball up every possession like Ben was, he's lucky if he gets to a handful of a times a game so far aaaaaand he's having to figure out how to set himself up to score off the ball either on pitch out 3s to knock down or back door cuts....or he's actually being called upon to go to work in the post or create off the dribble....and has done so.

So I'm seeing one guy accomolating stats as THE primary ballhandler (also was a YEAR OLDER btw)....and another just trying to do so while blending into a team concept. I'm more impressed that the later can have similar level production to a primary ballhandler. Scottie is the one I walk away feeling impressed by, but that's just me.

I can’t really compare them period because those are preseason stats, it’s meaningless to me compared to actually averaging a near triple double for 82 games straight.

I highly doubt Scottie will average anywhere near those numbers, that’s just not fair to him lol.

Madhouse · Post #1213 » by **Madhouse** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 10:09 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
These numbers make me realize how ridiculous Ben Simmons rookie year was lol.

16/8/8 is wild.

Not to say that, 16/8/8 as a rookie isn't wild...hey if you can average a near triple double, idc that is hella productive and impacting the game, one way or there other.

But personally comparing Ben's numbers to Scottie's actually has the opposite effect for me.

It doesn't mean I'm not impressed by his rookie numbers, I am buuuut I don't put it in contrast with Barnes' production and leave feeling more impressed by Ben -- if anything I'm more impressed by BARNES.

Scottie isn't getting even HALF the usage (to date) that Ben was as a rookie. Scottie is doing this far more OFF the ball and still posting numbers at least to date something within the realm of what Simmons did as #1 pick that was given the reigns/the ball in his hands right out the gate. Scottie isn't getting to bring the ball up every possession like Ben was, he's lucky if he gets to a handful of a times a game so far aaaaaand he's having to figure out how to set himself up to score off the ball either on pitch out 3s to knock down or back door cuts....or he's actually being called upon to go to work in the post or create off the dribble....and has done so.

So I'm seeing one guy accomolating stats as THE primary ballhandler (also was a YEAR OLDER btw)....and another just trying to do so while blending into a team concept. I'm more impressed that the later can have similar level production to a primary ballhandler. Scottie is the one I walk away feeling impressed by, but that's just me.

I can’t really compare them period because those are preseason stats, it’s meaningless to me compared to actually averaging a near triple double for 82 games straight.

I highly doubt Scottie will average anywhere near those numbers, that’s just not fair to him lol.

you also would have to adjust it usage and minutes played. Ben played like 33 minutes per game and Scottie won't. He also had the ball as much in his hands as much as Lowry. Nurse will have to figure out what's best for his development and it might be playing within the flow of the offense in the first year although he absolutely should get the ball more than last night.

NotMyKawhi · Post #1214 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Fri Oct 8, 2021 10:50 pm

bouknight is going to score in this league for a long time.

imo his floor is Jordan Clarkson

PhilBlackson · Post #1215 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:28 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:bouknight is going to score in this league for a long time.

imo his floor is Jordan Clarkson

He's gonna be better.

Longer wingspan, better athlete, already pretty much as skilled as Clarkson as a rookie. If stayed at 7, he was at top of my list.

C_Money · Post #1216 » by **C_Money** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:32 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:bouknight is going to score in this league for a long time.

imo his floor is Jordan Clarkson

He's gonna be better.

Longer wingspan, better athlete, already pretty much as skilled as Clarkson as a rookie. If stayed at 7, he was at top of my list.

I was so confused when scrubs like Franz Wagner and Zaire Williams were taken ahead of him like what the f*ck, fire your scouts lol.

Post #1217 » by **Reeko** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 2:39 am

C_Money wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:bouknight is going to score in this league for a long time.

imo his floor is Jordan Clarkson

He's gonna be better.

Longer wingspan, better athlete, already pretty much as skilled as Clarkson as a rookie. If stayed at 7, he was at top of my list.

I was so confused when scrubs like Franz Wagner and Zaire Williams were taken ahead of him like what the f*ck, fire your scouts lol.

Lol, I remember there were some people in here that wanted us to take Wagner if we stayed at 7 or 8. They got so mad when I called him the SF version of Jakob Poeltl. They should go ask Magic fans how he's been looking.

HumbleRen · Post #1218 » by **HumbleRen** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 3:01 am

Reeko wrote:
C_Money wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
He's gonna be better.

Longer wingspan, better athlete, already pretty much as skilled as Clarkson as a rookie. If stayed at 7, he was at top of my list.

I was so confused when scrubs like Franz Wagner and Zaire Williams were taken ahead of him like what the f*ck, fire your scouts lol.

Lol, I remember there were some people in here that wanted us to take Wagner if we stayed at 7 or 8. They got so mad when I called him the SF version of Jakob Poeltl. They should go ask Magic fans how he's been looking.

Of all the players that were available at 8, they picked frigging Wagner lol.

I’d be sick to my stomach

Nebuchadnezzar · Post #1219 » by **Nebuchadnezzar** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 3:44 am

PhilBlackson wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:bouknight is going to score in this league for a long time.

imo his floor is Jordan Clarkson

He's gonna be better.

Longer wingspan, better athlete, already pretty much as skilled as Clarkson as a rookie. If stayed at 7, he was at top of my list.

I see him as too mechanical for the nba - gives me a Shawn Respert vibe.

Madhouse · Post #1220 » by **Madhouse** » Sat Oct 9, 2021 4:26 am

HumbleRen wrote:
Reeko wrote:
C_Money wrote:
I was so confused when scrubs like Franz Wagner and Zaire Williams were taken ahead of him like what the f*ck, fire your scouts lol.

Lol, I remember there were some people in here that wanted us to take Wagner if we stayed at 7 or 8. They got so mad when I called him the SF version of Jakob Poeltl. They should go ask Magic fans how he's been looking.
Of all the players that were available at 8, they picked frigging Wagner lol.

I’d be sick to my stomach

Bouknight at worst will be an elite role player. Wagner could easily be a total bust.