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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1201 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:04 pm

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mtcan wrote:I don't think the offers get any better in the summer.

Contending teams are willing to give up more now because they get OG for these upcoming playoffs as well as all of next season. You are often getting less when trading an expiring contract.


In the summer, more teams will convince themselves to strive to become contenders (ie, signing free agents, internal development, etc) and this can provide us the opportunity for a better package.

Take the Wolves as an example. They thought the would contend this season and gave a king's ransom for Rudy.

The Pelicans would do the same in the summer. Maybe a team like the Thunder.


Agree, and listen... Is it what we all want to happen this week? Probably not and definitely not as exciting as fans. Does Masai care? Not one bit.. If the deal he thinks OG is worth isn't there? He wont get traded this week, bottom line


Personally I want to burn this whole thing to the ground (minus Scottie and OG)

The sooner - the better.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1202 » by mademan » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:04 pm

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In the summer, more teams will convince themselves to strive to become contenders (ie, signing free agents, internal development, etc) and this can provide us the opportunity for a better package.

Take the Wolves as an example. They thought the would contend this season and gave a king's ransom for Rudy.

The Pelicans would do the same in the summer. Maybe a team like the Thunder.

IMO...teams are willing to deal for Gobert because he has many years on his contract. Similarly with the KD situation last summer...teams were expected to give up a haul because KD has 4 years on contract.

An expiring contract is a different conversation.


They will have OG's bird rights and max him out.


2 playoff runs>1 playoff run and hoping you can be the team to overpay to keep him. Overpaying him just seems better if you get 2 playoff runs out of a cheap OG over 1
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1203 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:06 pm

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mtcan wrote:IMO...teams are willing to deal for Gobert because he has many years on his contract. Similarly with the KD situation last summer...teams were expected to give up a haul because KD has 4 years on contract.

An expiring contract is a different conversation.


They will have OG's bird rights and max him out.


2 playoff runs>1 playoff run and hoping you can be the team to overpay to keep him.


As long as he gets traded to the Western Conference, I will eventually get over it.

Just hope we get a massize haul for my heartbreak.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1204 » by mtcan » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:06 pm

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In the summer, more teams will convince themselves to strive to become contenders (ie, signing free agents, internal development, etc) and this can provide us the opportunity for a better package.

Take the Wolves as an example. They thought the would contend this season and gave a king's ransom for Rudy.

The Pelicans would do the same in the summer. Maybe a team like the Thunder.

IMO...teams are willing to deal for Gobert because he has many years on his contract. Similarly with the KD situation last summer...teams were expected to give up a haul because KD has 4 years on contract.

An expiring contract is a different conversation.


They will have OG's bird rights and max him out.

Unless he decides to leave as a free agent. That is the uncertainty that comes with trading for an expiring contract.

We have the leverage in trade talks now. After this season though...other teams have the leverage
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1205 » by dagger » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:07 pm

If I were NOLA, I'd want Fred, not OG. Yes, I know the contract, blah, blah, but PG is still the Pels weakest link. Move CJ to shooting guard like he played alongside Dame, then they have a proven winner who is back at the top of his game orchestrating the offence. All that remains to be determined is the compensation (LA pick would be too rich, but lesser of LA and NO picks still likely be late teens, where you can be a little less upside oriented and look for a big time scorer or a 7-footer who can actually body up with the big guys.)
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Post#1206 » by Boogie! » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:08 pm

Let's do this already. What are they waiting for. Hopefully deals are lready on the table and the raptors are just leveraging
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Post#1207 » by Highflyerwire » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:10 pm

Boogie! wrote:Let's do this already. What are they waiting for. Hopefully deals are lready on the table and the raptors are just leveraging

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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1208 » by dagger » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:10 pm

Two things that have caught my attention in the past 24 hours. Suggestions that based on likely market conditions, Trent Jr can't expect more than a modest increase this summer (which may be why his people leaked out his willingness to return to TO because the Raptors would likely go a bit higher than market.)

And Sam Amico's claim a GM told him not to expect anyone averaging over 12 points per game to be traded. (How about 'em apples!)
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Post#1209 » by Boogie! » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:13 pm

dagger wrote:Two things that have caught my attention in the past 24 hours. Suggestions that based on likely market conditions, Trent Jr can't expect more than a modest increase this summer (which may be why his people leaked out his willingness to return to TO because the Raptors would likely go a bit higher than market.)

And Sam Amico's claim a GM told him not to expect anyone averaging over 12 points per game to be traded. (How about 'em apples!)


Makes no sense to keep both og and fvv and do nothing this deadline. Raptors need to **** swing for the fences. Can't get too emotional with these players, team needs to rebuild.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Post#1210 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:17 pm

They shutdown OG for the rest of the trip - I take that a sign.

I'm just waiting for a Fred 'injury' in Houston that will sideline him (ie, prevent him from getting traded to the Magic)
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Post#1211 » by T-d0t » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:21 pm

Swag wrote:They shutdown OG for the rest of the trip - I take that a sign.

I'm just waiting for a Fred 'injury' in Houston that will sideline him (ie, prevent him from getting traded to the Magic)

An injured player can be traded but the Magic would have to be ok with that. Isnt that how it works?
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Post#1212 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:23 pm

dagger wrote:Two things that have caught my attention in the past 24 hours. Suggestions that based on likely market conditions, Trent Jr can't expect more than a modest increase this summer (which may be why his people leaked out his willingness to return to TO because the Raptors would likely go a bit higher than market.)

And Sam Amico's claim a GM told him not to expect anyone averaging over 12 points per game to be traded. (How about 'em apples!)


Sam Amico has been a nothing reporter for years now. His articles are all copy and paste
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Post#1213 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:25 pm

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Post#1214 » by Scizzup » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:25 pm

dagger wrote:If I were NOLA, I'd want Fred, not OG. Yes, I know the contract, blah, blah, but PG is still the Pels weakest link. Move CJ to shooting guard like he played alongside Dame, then they have a proven winner who is back at the top of his game orchestrating the offence. All that remains to be determined is the compensation (LA pick would be too rich, but lesser of LA and NO picks still likely be late teens, where you can be a little less upside oriented and look for a big time scorer or a 7-footer who can actually body up with the big guys.)


FVV is not much of a passer. Nola also has Zion/Ingram who are both better with the ball in their hands than FVV in half court. Due to his scoring gravity, Zion is probably a better playmaker than siakam/Scottie. if they not getting an actual lead point guard, a 3&D player is the next best thing.


They have little need for FVV. Alvarado is a more pesky defender than FVV. CJ is a much better floor spacer and creator.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1215 » by TravisScott55 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:25 pm

Swag wrote:They shutdown OG for the rest of the trip - I take that a sign.

I'm just waiting for a Fred 'injury' in Houston that will sideline him (ie, prevent him from getting traded to the Magic)


Lol this isn't 2K, an injured player can be traded. The team doing the trade just has to agree to waive the physical.
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Post#1216 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:28 pm

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Swag wrote:They shutdown OG for the rest of the trip - I take that a sign.

I'm just waiting for a Fred 'injury' in Houston that will sideline him (ie, prevent him from getting traded to the Magic)


Lol this isn't 2K, an injured player can be traded. The team doing the trade just has to agree to waive the physical.


Of course its possible.

But unlikely considering the player being traded has a history of injury.
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Post#1217 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:29 pm

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Swag wrote:They shutdown OG for the rest of the trip - I take that a sign.

I'm just waiting for a Fred 'injury' in Houston that will sideline him (ie, prevent him from getting traded to the Magic)

An injured player can be traded but the Magic would have to be ok with that. Isnt that how it works?


Its possible but it would complicate the situation considering Fred has a history of injury and many believe he will need surgery at some point.

Why waste assets on such a player if he's 'currently' sidelined. (That would be part of the thinking process)
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1218 » by dagger » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:53 pm

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Swag wrote:They shutdown OG for the rest of the trip - I take that a sign.

I'm just waiting for a Fred 'injury' in Houston that will sideline him (ie, prevent him from getting traded to the Magic)


Lol this isn't 2K, an injured player can be traded. The team doing the trade just has to agree to waive the physical.


Of course its possible.

But unlikely considering the player being traded has a history of injury.


OG was taking shots before last night's game, with some kind of bandage but no brace. I presume there is no significant ligament damage and that the MRI results are already available to confirm that. So the injury is likely to be irrelevant to trad discussions.
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Post#1219 » by Los_29 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:55 pm

Boogie! wrote:Let's do this already. What are they waiting for. Hopefully deals are lready on the table and the raptors are just leveraging


How often do you see deals made 10 days before the trade deadline? There is a reason deals are often done right at the deadline.
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Post#1220 » by Jadoogar » Thu Feb 2, 2023 9:02 pm

dagger wrote:If I were NOLA, I'd want Fred, not OG. Yes, I know the contract, blah, blah, but PG is still the Pels weakest link. Move CJ to shooting guard like he played alongside Dame, then they have a proven winner who is back at the top of his game orchestrating the offence. All that remains to be determined is the compensation (LA pick would be too rich, but lesser of LA and NO picks still likely be late teens, where you can be a little less upside oriented and look for a big time scorer or a 7-footer who can actually body up with the big guys.)


FVV and CJ seem like a terrible pairing, like a worse version of Dame/CJ. 2 small guards who are going to be hunted by good teams in the playoffs.

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