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Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1201 » by Boogie! » Fri May 19, 2023 12:06 am

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Ahhh ****, here we go again. Summer time runs and workout vids can’t wait lol

Scottie pulling up for 3s tho :o :lol:

Looks like he’s playing with some of his old fsu teammates vs the final four FAU team


Ah, the good ol' summer run videos!! :lol: Remember last Summer when ppl saw Scottie video snippets posted to social media and got super hyped believing he had significantly added to his skillset?! Yeah... Until he can shoot a wide open jumper at a reasonable clip, and develops any semblance of the ability to move North-South with the ball and get into the paint on a regular basis, he will unfortunately remain the same old Scottie. He REALLY needs to work on his functional ball handling, footwork, and post-moves, and not focus on pointless perimeter combo dribble moves that get him absolutely nowhere on the court.


Whenever drmar posted these videos people would cream their pants.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1202 » by Mikistan » Fri May 19, 2023 3:16 am

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MonkBatter42 wrote:
DemHeavyHands wrote:Ahhh ****, here we go again. Summer time runs and workout vids can’t wait lol

Scottie pulling up for 3s tho :o :lol:

Looks like he’s playing with some of his old fsu teammates vs the final four FAU team


Ah, the good ol' summer run videos!! :lol: Remember last Summer when ppl saw Scottie video snippets posted to social media and got super hyped believing he had significantly added to his skillset?! Yeah... Until he can shoot a wide open jumper at a reasonable clip, and develops any semblance of the ability to move North-South with the ball and get into the paint on a regular basis, he will unfortunately remain the same old Scottie. He REALLY needs to work on his functional ball handling, footwork, and post-moves, and not focus on pointless perimeter combo dribble moves that get him absolutely nowhere on the court.


Whenever drmar posted these videos people would cream their pants.

They need Josh and Doug to tell them how to feel
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1203 » by Boogie! » Fri May 19, 2023 3:23 am

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Ah, the good ol' summer run videos!! :lol: Remember last Summer when ppl saw Scottie video snippets posted to social media and got super hyped believing he had significantly added to his skillset?! Yeah... Until he can shoot a wide open jumper at a reasonable clip, and develops any semblance of the ability to move North-South with the ball and get into the paint on a regular basis, he will unfortunately remain the same old Scottie. He REALLY needs to work on his functional ball handling, footwork, and post-moves, and not focus on pointless perimeter combo dribble moves that get him absolutely nowhere on the court.


Whenever drmar posted these videos people would cream their pants.

They need Josh and Doug to tell them how to feel


I really think most people don't realize how brainwashed they are.

It's funny because I've had largely the same perception of Fred's game for 4 years, even during the championship run. I always thought nurse overplayed him and liked him way too much for my liking, and was worried about the dynamics it would cause going forward. Everyone called me a troll, a hater, crazy, stupid, etc my entire reputation on this board has largely been tied to my opinion on fvv and Nurse. Fast forward 4 years later, Nurse is fired, and save for like maybe 4 devout Fred stands, everyone complains about the same things I was talking about 4 years ago.

People really need to be told how to think it seems.
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Post#1204 » by sidsid » Sat May 20, 2023 8:48 pm

I know this is simple stuff, but there was no hope of seeing an NBA level offense from our tee-ball level head coach.

I can at least get excited about the prospect of it this off season instead of the knowing lies about our guards playing off-ball.

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Post#1205 » by Los_29 » Sat May 20, 2023 10:29 pm

sidsid wrote:I know this is simple stuff, but there was no hope of seeing an NBA level offense from our tee-ball level head coach.

I can at least get excited about the prospect of it this off season instead of the knowing lies about our guards playing off-ball.

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1206 » by will » Sat May 20, 2023 11:19 pm

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Post#1207 » by carl_english » Sun May 21, 2023 5:31 pm

Ready for some scottie jumpshot improvement videos
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Post#1208 » by HumbleRen » Sun May 21, 2023 5:36 pm

Whoever is the new coach, I hope they utilize Scottie's passing talent.

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Post#1209 » by ItsDanger » Sun May 21, 2023 5:38 pm

^^ Fred being off ball so much hurt his stats too much, had to bet on himself again.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1210 » by YogurtProducer » Sun May 21, 2023 6:00 pm

sidsid wrote:I know this is simple stuff, but there was no hope of seeing an NBA level offense from our tee-ball level head coach.

I can at least get excited about the prospect of it this off season instead of the knowing lies about our guards playing off-ball.

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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1211 » by AbC? » Sun May 21, 2023 6:00 pm

Being able to pass and play make in a connector role is an entirely different skillset than doing it as a primary. Draymond is an excellent playmaker in a connector role but no one has any delusions of him being a primary.

Barnes can get there but he has to find a consistent way to generate advantage. As a non-shooting threat, bad first step (slow in general), and right now not good as the ball handler in pick and roll actions, he has no clear way to scale up his usage and weaponize his passing ability. And no, operating out of the post is not scalable. Siakam’s passing took a massive leap when he became a face up threat.
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Post#1212 » by HumbleRen » Sun May 21, 2023 6:07 pm

AbC? wrote:Being able to pass and play make in a connector role is an entirely different skillset than doing it as a primary. Draymond is an excellent playmaker in a connector role but no one has any delusions of him being a primary.

Barnes can get there but he has to find a consistent way to generate advantage. As a non-shooting threat, bad first step (slow in general), and right now not good as the ball handler in pick and roll actions, he has no clear way to scale up his usage and weaponize his passing ability. And no, operating out of the post is not scalable. Siakam’s passing took a massive leap when he became a face up threat.


I just want some off ball movement and motion. He's one of the best instinctive passers in the league, utilize it.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1213 » by Tripod » Sun May 21, 2023 6:12 pm

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sidsid wrote:I know this is simple stuff, but there was no hope of seeing an NBA level offense from our tee-ball level head coach.

I can at least get excited about the prospect of it this off season instead of the knowing lies about our guards playing off-ball.

Read on Twitter

Tough to run an offense like this when half your team cannot shoot

Even worse when they just stand still, don't cut, etc..
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1214 » by Basketball_Jones » Sun May 21, 2023 7:44 pm

I think Scottie can definitely be a face up threat and pick and roll ball handler. You don’t need blazing speed, just skill and craft and he’s got size on top of that.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1215 » by Morse Code » Sun May 21, 2023 8:11 pm

ruckus wrote:This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

This feels like you’re insinuating his effort level wasn’t high enough so far in his career. Am I misunderstanding that?
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1216 » by ruckus » Mon May 22, 2023 2:43 pm

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ruckus wrote:This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

This feels like you’re insinuating his effort level wasn’t high enough so far in his career. Am I misunderstanding that?


I'm not sure lack of effort is the right phrasing. Statistically, he improved slightly in a few areas but he also regressed slightly in a few areas as well. I know we got the preseason disclaimer from the front office that growth is not linear but for me there were enough red flags that he really needs to show something in year 3 for me to stay a supporter - the blow up with Thad, the story about enjoying the night life on the road too much (which wasn't directed at Scottie but inferred), the meeting with Masai, only showing up for the 4th quarter of games while being largely invisible beforehand. I'm not a Fred stan, far from it, but his subtle jabs at Scottie throughout the season are telling as well. Anti-Fred guys played it off as jealousy and hating on a young guy. I took it as a way to try and push someone to play at a certain standard. Was it the right way to go about it? Maybe not.

I'm not completely off the Scottie wagon but I've seen enough fake stars pass through the team to stay wary. Like I said, season 3 needs to show me something.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1217 » by PhilBlackson » Mon May 22, 2023 3:09 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Whoever is the new coach, I hope they utilize Scottie's passing talent.



IMO the team needs to look no further than DEN and make THAT the goal of how they should be building the roster and using Scottie something like Jokic. I'm fully aware Scottie is not on Joker's level but the jumbo facilitator that can look around/over the defence is clearly where Scottie can/would shine.

It's why even though part of me would be beyond excited to get Scoot, that would secretly hope it's Miller instead because the FIT...Simons & Miller could really play pretty much the same roles Murray & MP Jr do for DEN with of course OG being even better than Gordon. Of course I'd give the nod to Jokic/Murray over Scottie/Simons but I think they'd have the same type of fit and I just flat out think Miller and OG can be better than their respective comparables on DEN. But overall long term that could be the makings of a contending team that we would have locked up for YEARS....and we didn't even mention the 13th pick who personally I would still use on Bilal who can develop for a couple of years behind OG. Then when the time's right, move him into the starting role, move OG for an upgrade at C. That's just my 2c.

But really I think the key to unlocking Scottie's potential in general is trying to use him like Jokic, Draymond etc as that jumbo facilitator with shooters and a good self creating wing (not redundant PF like Pascal).
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1218 » by manjusaka » Mon May 22, 2023 4:01 pm

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HumbleRen wrote:Whoever is the new coach, I hope they utilize Scottie's passing talent.



IMO the team needs to look no further than DEN and make THAT the goal of how they should be building the roster and using Scottie something like Jokic. I'm fully aware Scottie is not on Joker's level but the jumbo facilitator that can look around/over the defence is clearly where Scottie can/would shine.

It's why even though part of me would be beyond excited to get Scoot, that would secretly hope it's Miller instead because the FIT...Simons & Miller could really play pretty much the same roles Murray & MP Jr do for DEN with of course OG being even better than Gordon. Of course I'd give the nod to Jokic/Murray over Scottie/Simons but I think they'd have the same type of fit and I just flat out think Miller and OG can be better than their respective comparables on DEN. But overall long term that could be the makings of a contending team that we would have locked up for YEARS....and we didn't even mention the 13th pick who personally I would still use on Bilal who can develop for a couple of years behind OG. Then when the time's right, move him into the starting role, move OG for an upgrade at C. That's just my 2c.

But really I think the key to unlocking Scottie's potential in general is trying to use him like Jokic, Draymond etc as that jumbo facilitator with shooters and a good self creating wing (not redundant PF like Pascal).


Totally agree with you.

First of all, Barnes himself needs to admit he is not skilled enough to be a PG or a primary ball handler in this level yet. Both his dribble and shooting needs a gigantic amount of work.

A passing 4 is an easier route for Barnes. However, he doesn’t have the post-up fundamental of the traditional big man. He is playing off his instinct inside right now, we can’t compare him to Jokic; not even Marc Gasol(Raptors version)IMO. You can see why scouts compared him to Drymond.

Either way, he has a lot of work to catch-up. Himself needs to grow, he is not a baby like what Masai said. He needs to face his own destiny, not the coach, not his teammates but himself.
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Re: Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5 

Post#1219 » by DG88 » Mon May 22, 2023 9:34 pm

Scottie is back in the gym working in Toronto
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Post#1220 » by HumbleRen » Mon May 22, 2023 9:41 pm

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