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WuTang_OG wrote:

kalel123 wrote:

WuTang_OG wrote:
no, this is good. They need to lose in 5. This organization is a joke and they need massive changes across the board. Getting to a game 7 (although unlikely) gives them a chance to give more excuses.

Shanny shoulda been out on his ass long time ago

I don't know. They held out this long with same core again and again for years and same issues and failures. Who's to say, they won't find one more excuse to chug along? Not sure what their problem is. I don't really know much about hockey but just simple common sense and logic would dictate that at some point in time, you can't bring along same core for years that keeps failing and expect different results.

This one is over. Theres no coming back from this one.

Westside Gunn wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:At what point do Shanahan and Shapiro get fired? They've been running the Leafs and Jays into the ground for a decade now.

I get why Masai is given a longer leash, he's actually won something, but those two are absolute clowns. Shapiro has been failing miserably as an executive since 2001.

Fans need to stop attending games. Ownership doesn't care about winning. They care about revenue. My friends and I made a pledge to boycott the Jays this year and we're sticking to it. I wish more people did this. It's not like the product on the field/ice is even entertaining. It's torturous.

Has the Ben Shapiro and Shatkins duo been the longest serving management besides Beeston? Its really time for them to go as its been a pretty bad stint post Anthobopolous

Shanahan actually did EVERYTHING right. Hired a great coach (in hindsight). Building a stacked squad with Marner, Matthews, Nylander all panning out. Tavares being a good signing. These players do everything right during the season but disappear in the playoffs.

Watching a Leaf score nearly 70 goals should be something to remember, but some Leaf fans like myself were so indifferent to it because of 0 playoff success of this team.

Masai really screwed up with firing Nurse after building a flawed roster. Got nothing for Siakam. The only thing that really kept me interested was Quickley and Barrett. I still think Masai should stay long term though.

Masai and Shanny were both Lieweke finds.

Raps in 4 wrote:

WaltFrazier wrote:

Green Backpack wrote:
Yep, the new structure is horrible. Winnipeg got screwed this year. Leafs were in a similar situation when they had to play TB in the first round back in '21-'22.

It's not even new is it? They been doing this setup several years, supposedly to build divisional/regional rivalries. It's so stupid, the NBA does it right. The variety of a different matchup each year would be so much better than Leafs vs Boston every year.

The play-in is dumb as hell in the NBA (single game elimination is highly luck-dependant), but the old 1-8 seed structure was perfect.

WaltFrazier wrote:

Westside Gunn wrote:

Raps in 4 wrote:At what point do Shanahan and Shapiro get fired? They've been running the Leafs and Jays into the ground for a decade now.

I get why Masai is given a longer leash, he's actually won something, but those two are absolute clowns. Shapiro has been failing miserably as an executive since 2001.

Fans need to stop attending games. Ownership doesn't care about winning. They care about revenue. My friends and I made a pledge to boycott the Jays this year and we're sticking to it. I wish more people did this. It's not like the product on the field/ice is even entertaining. It's torturous.

Has the Ben Shapiro and Shatkins duo been the longest serving management besides Beeston? Its really time for them to go as its been a pretty bad stint post Anthobopolous

Shanahan actually did EVERYTHING right. Hired a great coach (in hindsight). Building a stacked squad with Marner, Matthews, Nylander all panning out. Tavares being a good signing. These players do everything right during the season but disappear in the playoffs.

Watching a Leaf score nearly 70 goals should be something to remember, but some Leaf fans like myself were so indifferent to it because of 0 playoff success of this team.

Masai really screwed up with firing Nurse after building a flawed roster. Got nothing for Siakam. The only thing that really kept me interested was Quickley and Barrett. I still think Masai should stay long term though.

Masai and Shanny were both Lieweke finds.

At what point does Lieweke's stint begin to lose its lustre?

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Trading the core is always a bad idea. Guys get scapegoated, move on, and are just fine. Phil Kessell was a "problem" star run out of town, won 3 cups. Kadri run out of town. Was immature in the playoffs. Won the cup with Colorado.

mdenny wrote:Marchand's trolling of the leaves in media is comedy gold:

"It's always such a tough matchup and a great rivalry. You never know which way it's gonna go"

"They've adapted their team to play with alot more grit and toughness. We have our work cut out for us".

This dude is legit hilarious.

I still remember the Vancouver Olympics when team Canada was struggling and none of the other stars seemed too gel with Crosby on the top line. Until they went counter-intuitive and put Marchand alongside Iginla and Crosby. That line tweak unlocked the whole team and they never looked back.

Hate him all u want....he is probably the best rat player archetype (Ken Linseman....another Bruin) all time in the NHL.

ontnut wrote:

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Trading the core is always a bad idea. Guys get scapegoated, move on, and are just fine. Phil Kessell was a "problem" star run out of town, won 3 cups. Kadri run out of town. Was immature in the playoffs. Won the cup with Colorado.

Playoff Marner IS and HAS BEEN a problem though. Whatever it's gonna take to re-sign him is likely better spent on depth/defence/goalies than a guy that underproduces when it matters most.

Part of the problem is we have too much money put into too many of the same player archetypes. Kessel on Boston worked because they were built as a more grinding team, so dropping in a skill player added something they were missing. We're almost completely skill based without much grit at the top end.

wegotthabeet wrote:All it takes to win in hockey is a goalie standing on his head. No other position in sports can change the outcome in a comparable way.