2024 NBA DRAFT THREAD

[Mark_83]

To be fair Kelel Ware also does these things right now and has done it over a larger sample. What separates Z imo is despite his frame he's got the necessary assertiveness and aggression to his game that will help him get the most out of those skills/tools. I'm not a big fan of gentle or soft giants in my big men as they tend to disappear when things get physical. The only exceptions I can think of are Tim Duncan and Hakeem.

You think Ivisic can improve on his Hoffa-level fouling? It's been a problem in his international games too. Supposedly it's because he has a poor feel for the game defensively.

I can't think of any players at the moment who had such a high foul rate and lasted in the NBA

Amir Johnson average 7 fouls per 40 minutes in his 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th seasons in the NBA and averaged 5.1 per 36 for his career.

[Rapsfan07]

I'm not understanding the hype around this Ivisic guy. Does look like anything NBA special is there.

If we keep the pick and it's in the Top 3, you go with Risacher, Williams or Sarr
If we keep the pick and it isn't in the Top 3, you consider Topic or Sheppard or moving down for Salaun. Castle is growing on me too.

With the Pacers pick, I'd be willing to consider Dunn if he shows he can shoot. Other than that, I like McCullar, Ware and maybe even Holmes here.

With the OKC pick, it has to be Devin Carter. I like KJ Simpson but Carter looks like a really tough nosed player who's athletic, defends hard and rebounds the hell out of the basketball.

With the DET pick, I'd take the swing on Chomche

[Psubs]

I'm not understanding the hype around this Ivisic guy. Does look like anything NBA special is there.

If we keep the pick and it's in the Top 3, you go with Risacher, Williams or Sarr
If we keep the pick and it isn't in the Top 3, you consider Topic or Sheppard or moving down for Salaun. Castle is growing on me too.

With the Pacers pick, I'd be willing to consider Dunn if he shows he can shoot. Other than that, I like McCullar, Ware and maybe even Holmes here.

With the OKC pick, it has to be Devin Carter. I like KJ Simpson but Carter looks like a really tough nosed player who's athletic, defends hard and rebounds the hell out of the basketball.

With the DET pick, I'd take the swing on Chomche

Is Castle like a Suggs? He seems solid (in a Franz Wagner solid sense). Not uber athletic, not uber fast 1st step, not elite 3pt shooter, but above average at everything. Maybe good value in the 10-15 range.

With the Pacers pick, I'm down with Holmes, Ware or Furphy. Is Furphy like a 1 year older, less strong version of Cooper Flagg. I'd say he'd be a good get if he could get stronger but might take him 3-4 years to be a poor man's Cooper Flagg. Really though that's good stuff in the late teens.

[RoteSchroder]

To be fair Kelel Ware also does these things right now and has done it over a larger sample. What separates Z imo is despite his frame he's got the necessary assertiveness and aggression to his game that will help him get the most out of those skills/tools. I'm not a big fan of gentle or soft giants in my big men as they tend to disappear when things get physical. The only exceptions I can think of are Tim Duncan and Hakeem.

You think Ivisic can improve on his Hoffa-level fouling? It's been a problem in his international games too. Supposedly it's because he has a poor feel for the game defensively.

I can't think of any players at the moment who had such a high foul rate and lasted in the NBA

Amir Johnson average 7 fouls per 40 minutes in his 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th seasons in the NBA and averaged 5.1 per 36 for his career.

I meant in terms of having a history of foul trouble pre-NBA, then lasting in the league after making it to the NBA. There are plenty of players who fouled at a high rate in the NBA in general.

Amir's a tough comparison since he came straight from HS. I can't find his high school stats, but the pre-draft scouting reports I read don't mention anything about being foul prone. Rafael Araujo's scouting report, for instance: "His aggressiveness often gets him into early foul trouble."

[billy_hoyle]

I'm not understanding the hype around this Ivisic guy. Does look like anything NBA special is there.

If we keep the pick and it's in the Top 3, you go with Risacher, Williams or Sarr
If we keep the pick and it isn't in the Top 3, you consider Topic or Sheppard or moving down for Salaun. Castle is growing on me too.

With the Pacers pick, I'd be willing to consider Dunn if he shows he can shoot. Other than that, I like McCullar, Ware and maybe even Holmes here.

With the OKC pick, it has to be Devin Carter. I like KJ Simpson but Carter looks like a really tough nosed player who's athletic, defends hard and rebounds the hell out of the basketball.

With the DET pick, I'd take the swing on Chomche

7' 2" with a sweet stroke, a few fancy passes, and he's not physicallity-phobic. That's intriguing right?

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

You think Ivisic can improve on his Hoffa-level fouling? It's been a problem in his international games too. Supposedly it's because he has a poor feel for the game defensively.

I can't think of any players at the moment who had such a high foul rate and lasted in the NBA

Amir Johnson average 7 fouls per 40 minutes in his 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th seasons in the NBA and averaged 5.1 per 36 for his career.

I meant in terms of having a history of foul trouble pre-NBA, then lasting in the league after making it to the NBA. There are plenty of players who fouled at a high rate in the NBA in general.

Amir's a tough comparison since he came straight from HS. I can't find his high school stats, but the pre-draft scouting reports I read don't mention anything about being foul prone. Rafael Araujo's scouting report, for instance: "His aggressiveness often gets him into early foul trouble."

Yves Missi is another guy who has struggled mightily with foul trouble this year too, 4.2/36. He's been 1 foul away from fouling out in 33% of his games.

[RoteSchroder]

Amir Johnson average 7 fouls per 40 minutes in his 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 5th seasons in the NBA and averaged 5.1 per 36 for his career.

I meant in terms of having a history of foul trouble pre-NBA, then lasting in the league after making it to the NBA. There are plenty of players who fouled at a high rate in the NBA in general.

Amir's a tough comparison since he came straight from HS. I can't find his high school stats, but the pre-draft scouting reports I read don't mention anything about being foul prone. Rafael Araujo's scouting report, for instance: "His aggressiveness often gets him into early foul trouble."

Yves Missi is another guy who has struggled mightily with foul trouble this year too, 4.2/36. He's been 1 foul away from fouling out in 33% of his games.

We may be talking about different beasts here...Ivisic was something like 8 fouls/36 in international games. He's 7.7/40 in college so far.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I meant in terms of having a history of foul trouble pre-NBA, then lasting in the league after making it to the NBA. There are plenty of players who fouled at a high rate in the NBA in general.

Amir's a tough comparison since he came straight from HS. I can't find his high school stats, but the pre-draft scouting reports I read don't mention anything about being foul prone. Rafael Araujo's scouting report, for instance: "His aggressiveness often gets him into early foul trouble."

Yves Missi is another guy who has struggled mightily with foul trouble this year too, 4.2/36. He's been 1 foul away from fouling out in 33% of his games.

We may be talking about different beasts here...Ivisic was something like 8 fouls/36 in international games. He's 7.7/40 in college so far.

Jesus christ

If Calipari wasn't comfortable enough to play him it speaks volumes because Kentucky is in desperate need of interior defense. Another thing I noticed is that he was joking around on the sidelines and laughing while Kentucky was getting smoked. Not a fan of that.

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[Mark_83]

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Would be a great get at either OKC's or DET's pick.

[RoteSchroder]

Would be a great get at either OKC's or DET's pick.

At this point, I highly doubt he's gonna be there.

After the top 16-ish, there are a lot of questionable players. Carter seems like a high floor player that could contribute almost immediately and will likely be a target for a lot of competing teams. Miami may go for him as high as the 16th pick.

[Mark_83]

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People need to normalize having Devin Carter as like the 14th-16th best player available. I think he has definitely solidified himself as a top 20 selection considering what is available. He does seem like a Riley type of pick.

[Rapsfan07]

People need to normalize having Devin Carter as like the 14th-16th best player available. I think he has definitely solidified himself as a top 20 selection considering what is available. He does seem like a Riley type of pick.

I'm saying. He's a dawg. Pretty much willing to guarantee he's going in the mid to late part of the first round.

Really, really like this guy and I hope he's on the board when we're picking

[BoyzNTheHood]

One pick is gone for Olynyk, but luckily it’s the worst of the first rounders we got in the Pascal deal. Likely the Clippers 2024 first rounder.

[WuTang_CMB]

We were never going to use all those picks. The DET pick is just as valuable

[PhilBlackson]

It’s not just that this pick likely conveys, it’s also that next year’s presumably won’t be a high pick either.

We continue to throw away opportunities to draft higher end talent for minimal upgrades smh

[BoyzNTheHood]

We were never going to use all those picks. The DET pick is just as valuable

I’d argue the Detroit pick is our second most valuable pick.

[BoyzNTheHood]

It’s not just that this pick likely conveys, it’s also that next year’s presumably won’t be a high pick either.

We continue to throw away opportunities to draft higher end talent for minimal upgrades smh

The trade is amazing value. A starter calibre Centre plus a 2022 lottery pick for a scrub, a guy who has real estate in the hospital, and a late first round pick.

[PhilBlackson]

It’s not just that this pick likely conveys, it’s also that next year’s presumably won’t be a high pick either.

We continue to throw away opportunities to draft higher end talent for minimal upgrades smh

The trade is amazing value. A starter calibre Centre plus a 2022 lottery pick for a scrub, a guy who has real estate in the hospital, and a late first round pick.

Again…what were sacrificing is a high pick in this draft AND next year’s, don’t forget that part and for what to be a mid team yet again and moving forward?!?