Should Bryan Colangelo be Fired

[West Rouge]

The better thread title would be: Why isn't Bryan Colangelo being fired?

Mainly because the media doesn't even follow this shite team anymore. So he gets under the radar. I think we need to start an online campaign and bring the chants to the next home game at the ACC.

Ive had enough of this guy

[lucky777s]

That was a pretty good article. Not a basketball person writing it so a few mistakes or lack of context, but overall well done.

I found this interesting.

Because, while his decision to sign Steve Nash to the Suns back in 2004 was often hailed as his greatest achievement, it was his father who had closed the deal.
Bryan Colangelo’s approach to netting Nash for the Raptors couldn’t have been more different. Jerry’s message to Nash was “Take it or leave it,” and he gave him an hour to decide. Bryan’s pitch was “Please, please take it.”

It reinforces what many of us already think, that Jerry was calling the shots there and that the Suns infrastructure made BC look good in things like drafting.

And I love that BC fleeced MLSE for 4 times the salary he was getting in PHX and then asked for the same money in an extension after failing miserably. That has to piss off some of the ownership and give them even more incentive to fire him.

We need more articles like this, more calls on talk radio, more signs at the ACC. We are so close to getting this bum out of town.

[Edumacated]

MLSE has been busy. Toronto FC just got a new President and GM. Now the owners can turn their attention to the Raptors.

[tecumseh18]

Should he be fired? No. He should serve out the year and then leave when his contract expires. The board should closely scrutinize any proposed trades, requiring approval from Stefanski as well as Colangelo. If any move smacks of desperation, the board should simply say no. If necessary, I'd tie his hands the way the board did with Grunwald in 2004-05 (?). GG wanted to move expiring contracts at the trade deadline and take on more money. The board said no.

I think it should depend on whether it looks like we're bottom three (with a good chance to keep our draft pick) or not. Chances are we will improve, still be out of the playoffs, but definitely not keeping the draft pick. In that case. Let him play out the string unless a strong candidate becomes available during the season - the way BC did in 06.

If we are headed for bottom 3, then fire Colangelo immediately and hire someone with a strong drafting pedigree - other than IT.

What exactly is supposed to be the difference between finishing in the bottom 3 and finishing in the bottom 5-10 as it pertains to evaluating Colangelo's job and the consistently bad performance of this team?

I can't come up with a good reason not to just get rid of him right now. He's damaged the team enough. We're already three years too late here.

Hah, I'm an incrementalist by nature. I was somewhat countering Dagger's suggestion that MLSE should ride out the season with BC, and my instinct was to impose a decision tree rather than make a bold move. We're trying to see the practical considerations here, and firing an expensive GM immediately and (if it's not Stefanski) then undoubtedly overpaying for another to come in will cost MLSE millions of dollars. But if we are bottom 3 after the lottery and keep the pick, we all want to avoid another "Babcock picking Hoffa after two weeks on the job" situation.

I'm moving toward the fire BC immediately position. I think it's important to make a statement to the fans and the players (and the coaches). Losing is no longer tolerated. We're starting on the top and moving down. But I would wait another year before firing Casey. Who knows the pressures he's under? (But why take out Bargs and put in Ed when we're facing one of the biggest frontcourts in the league - was he setting Ed up to fail?).

[J-Roc]

I think the poll needs to be adjusted so people can change their votes. The groundswell against BC is changing with each loss.

[Death Knight]

If Casey gets fired first, Mlse will fire Bryan Colangelo the next day. 4 coaches in how long exactly? Unless if its SVG of course, which is the Lenny Wilkins type of hiring. Svg made it clear that he would rather stay in Florida close to his daughter. I just dont see him choosing Toronto but god he would be an excellent hire.

The only thing is both of these coaches (SVG , Casey) will require a team with good vets. I don't know about SVGs rook development record, but having coached Shaq, Dwight, he could be the perfect coach for Choonas. I don't want to overrate him though.

Even if BC can convince a really good coach to come here, he still needs to gtfo. The Landry Fields signing did it for me. There better be a book out about this signing, really what the **** happened?

You wouldn't want SVG. He absolutely loves Bargnani.

[Yoga]

I've reached the tipping point. FIRE BC

[Homer Jay]

Me too. Just with the offseason plan to add Nash and Fields, coupled with the glaring obviousness of the team's problems, I don't think he has a handle on what to do anymore. There seems to be a distinct lack of any sort of plan or idea about this team. Playoffs or rebuild? You do either one or the other.

We have resources here (JVal, Lowry, Ross, Ed.... hopefully DD, and expiring Jose, and still have our Amnesty) for a new face to build with. I just don't trust BC anymore. I could see us doing something stupid like trading Ross and Ed for another stupid stopgap, cap-crippling contract, just to try to save the season.

Why does MLSE hold the reigns so tight on the Leafs, and even TFC, but let the Raps wallow?

[JustWin]

Guys relax, its still preseason...

[Geddy]

Weird, BC has been very quiet in the past few weeks.. Or maybe it's just me.

He usually doesn't talk much when the team is losing, but when they go on a little winning stretch you can bet that he will be standing in the tunnel of the ACC with that smug look on his face.

[lucky777s]

If BC thinks Pietrus is going to distract anyone from his 7 years of failure here then he has clearly lost his mind. I am surprised he didn't make a run at Michael Finley with his PHX connection. He was trying to make a comeback.

And you know when Fields come back he will be force fed minutes no matter how bad he plays.

The season is already lost. Just fire the man and move on. Let's begin the resurrection of this franchise by exercising the Colangelo demon.

[hillbilly hare]

I think the poll needs to be adjusted so people can change their votes. The groundswell against BC is changing with each loss.

Yeah, but he just signed Pietrus. Playoffs here we come!

[driveshaft]

Weird, BC has been very quiet in the past few weeks.. Or maybe it's just me.

He usually doesn't talk much when the team is losing, but when they go on a little winning stretch you can bet that he will be standing in the tunnel of the ACC with that smug look on his face.

Would it make any sense to talk when they're losing? Look at what happens when you make a logical argument around here?

[hillbilly hare]

If BC thinks Pietrus is going to distract anyone from his 7 years of failure here then he has clearly lost his mind. I am surprised he didn't make a run at Michael Finley with his PHX connection. He was trying to make a comeback.

And you know when Fields come back he will be force fed minutes no matter how bad he plays.

The season is already lost. Just fire the man and move on. Let's begin the resurrection of this franchise by exercising the Colangelo demon.

Yeah that really is the sad thing. The season is already lost. After less than 20 games.

It was fairly predictable, though justifiably we had to have some hope going into the season, despite Clownangelo's historically bad off-season. I said that our hopes for success would depend on how fast Jonas could develop and contribute, though that would obviously be hard for a young rookie center. I felt he'd make the difference between a team with 35 wins and a team with maybe 42 wins. Obviously rose-colored glasses.

I think this off-season ranks as one of the worst in Raptors history, and clearly one of the most disappointing.

I was calling for a GM change long before the draft, with the idea that Clownangelo's reign of error had run its course and it was time for change. I remember that when I put up a thread re. Who should our next GM be? I got absolutely lambasted and told to shut up and get off the board and not post any more. Obviously Lyin' Bryan's fanboys were still hot on the man. My idea re. the firing at season's end was to have a new guy come in and put his stamp on the team and use all the resources we had to mold and improve the team. I also jokingly suggested that the gods might realign the cosmos once again, like in 2006, when we got the 1st overall pick after making a GM change.

The team is an embarrassment on the floor. The organization is an embarrassment around the league, as it continues with the man who has run the team into the ground and yet still gets contract extensions and $5M salaries and owner support and media coddling.

[Black Milk]

Weird, BC has been very quiet in the past few weeks.. Or maybe it's just me.

He usually doesn't talk much when the team is losing, but when they go on a little winning stretch you can bet that he will be standing in the tunnel of the ACC with that smug look on his face.

Would it make any sense to talk when they're losing? Look at what happens when you make a logical argument around here?

Lol at you calling your "rational analysis thread" logical. You know what's a logical thing to conclude, 7 years + team worse than when he got year + overpaying bad players + Feilds signing = Garbage GM

[hillbilly hare]

There really is no need to go into all the many, infamous pitiful moves Clownangelo has made over the last 7 years. The results speak for themselves.

The key stat is: 1 winning season in 7 years. Anywhere else, that gets you fired.

[driveshaft]

Lol at you calling your "rational analysis thread" logical. You know what's a logical thing to conclude, 7 years + team worse than when he got year + overpaying bad players + Feilds signing = Garbage GM

I call repeating the same thing over and over again like a drone in one thread and then bombarding other threads with it "mob mentality" and not logic.

[DonMega]

Don't worry guys, bc just signed a new tank commander in pietrus. Hopefully this will make the bc firing quicker.

[carl_english]

Don't worry guys, bc just signed a new tank commander in pietrus. Hopefully this will make the bc firing quicker.

"quicker" how many years are we talking about here?

[Guy Smiley]

Why did the Suns ever let Bryan go?