Volcano wrote:These are probably the concerns around Jok: age, strength, defense, ability to get to/finish at the rim. The lack of inside play is the biggest thing GM's would be hesitant about imo, but he definitely has 2nd round sleeper potential.Anatomize wrote:For the people saying "it's better to draft players who could have room to improve their jump shooting but are already solid everywhere else" - again this is a general statement I see get thrown around all the time without solid evidence to support it.
Middleton, Booker, Thompson, Kemba Walker beg to differ. Who the hell in their right mind would pick MKG over Thompson let alone Middleton? I watched both of their college highlights and during the draft thread I was telling everyone here MKG is crap - one guy was picked 2nd and the other 11th.. MKG has been a complete injury-prone bust defensive specialist up to this point.
That jumper CANNOT be fixed and molded - it looks like his arm is breaking when he shoots - it's an impossible life long hitch that should've been fixed when he was a child, not now.
For every Kawhi Leonard there is a dozen players who never developed a jumper despite having all-world tools (Terrence Williams for example).
On the other hand you have guys like Marvin Williams - who could shoot and stretch the floor, post up a little bit, but has no ball handling or creating skills of his own - so he plateaued. At least he's still in the league and contributing as a 3 + D small ball 4.
Each case is unique. We can't make sweeping generalizations such as - "Masai chose a bunch of guys who didn't have a jumper but could develop it like Wright or Powell or Siakam" as someone said above. If they look like they have room to fix or improve their form, I can understand drafting them, but some forms are broken beyond repair - some work ethic not up to par..but we shouldn't just avoid shooters ala Peter Jok.
One thing is for sure, pure shooters have a role long into their NBA career even as role players even if they don't have as high a ceiling, and those safe picks don't hurt as opposed to trying to hit homeruns and the guy never even enters the league. Guys like Anthony Morrow are still serviceable today - and could step into a larger role and score in the teens if needed (as he did for the Warriors early on in his career).
Right, every case should be treated differently, in which case, you shouldn't bring up MKG who probably has the biggest hitch and worse shooting form in NBA history. Worse than Chuck Haye's FT's and Barkley's golf swing. You can find tons of shooters who didn't pan out or tons of all-round players with poor shooting who didn't work out.
I think the bigger question is do you go safe in the draft or do you go for higher potential? How easy is it to sign or trade for your Anthony Morrows, Alan Andersons, Terrence Ross's, etc. of the league? Those players aren't that hard to obtain compared to solid starters, borderline stars, etc.
Do you go for a player who has 90% chance of being a 7-8th man or a player with a 50% chance of being a 5-6th man or 25% chance of being a #3 guy..etc.
I'm with you, I'm the same guy who said draft Wilson a few pages ago, I do not want Leaf whatsoever.
I'm equally a fan of upside, but a shooter having extra upside and a non shooter having extra upside are not mutually exclusive, that is what I was getting at. The poster I alluded to tried to claim that it's far better to go for one than the other, can you imagine if people passed on Curry in that regard? Just saying there isn't enough evidence to sway one way or the other it's all variable.
In terms of using MKG as an example, well clearly someone in the Hornets organization believed Mark Price could fix that monstrosity, otherwise they wouldn't have drafted him 2nd.
The funny thing is that I'm not even insinuating we should draft Jok, I'm simply despelling a myth.























