Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[WaltFrazier]

Suggs 46% TS?

wtf lol

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Watching the last game vs Raptors, he does not suck. He's a stud, defends the ball great, goes strong to the rim, good court vision, but his shot is bad right now. He will end up having a solid pro career.

I wanted Suggs not Scottie, and that proved to be wrong. Funny thing is, it was said at the time Suggs was NBA ready and Scottie was a long term higher ceiling guy. Proved to be the opposite, Scottie was ready right away (and improvement to come), and Suggs is the one who will need another year to blossom.

But he does not suck, and will never be a bust.

[WaltFrazier]

Jack Armstrong on the Night Cap replay, asking how many guys in the NCAA right now, have post moves like Scottie. And how many NBA guys in their first 5 years have those moves.

And we need to put him in the post more, because as he succeeds and draws doubles, he is a great passer who will fan it out to open threes.

It's not the only role he should have but we should use him there more.

[Reeko]

Suggs 46% TS?

wtf lol

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

[Madhouse]

Suggs 46% TS?

wtf lol

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

he is really bad on offense. But at the same time, his defense is pretty impressive. Very strong for a guard. I see him ending up like a Mike Conley in the longterm. He is like 8th among rookies on Raptor despite his shot being ugly right now, so his floor is pretty high and he will end up a decent starter at least.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Suggs 46% TS?

wtf lol

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

Billups is one of the all-time outliers.

-5.5 rookie BPM right now is typically curtains. Frank Nkitilina was -5.

[aminiaturebuddha]

Suggs 46% TS?

wtf lol

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Watching the last game vs Raptors, he does not suck. He's a stud, defends the ball great, goes strong to the rim, good court vision, but his shot is bad right now. He will end up having a solid pro career.

I wanted Suggs not Scottie, and that proved to be wrong. Funny thing is, it was said at the time Suggs was NBA ready and Scottie was a long term higher ceiling guy. Proved to be the opposite, Scottie was ready right away (and improvement to come), and Suggs is the one who will need another year to blossom.

But he does not suck, and will never be a bust.

Yeah, going into the draft my lower end projection for Suggs was a more-athletic George Hill-type player. And it looks like he may end up closer to that than being a star. But that's still a very solid player in the league.

[dTox]

Suggs 46% TS?

wtf lol

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

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[Clay Davis]

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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[Reeko]

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

Billups is one of the all-time outliers.

-5.5 rookie BPM right now is typically curtains. Frank Nkitilina was -5.

Hasheem Thabeet was -1.2 as a rookie, and he was a total bust. A few guys that went on to become All Stars had around -2.5 to -3.0 rookie BPMs. So while Suggs' BPM is worth noting, I'm not going to come to any sort of conclusions because of it.

[Reeko]

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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How recently was he making that argument?

[720]

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

[Joker]

Excited to see how Scottie is going to look going into next season, with a full off-season of development.

[Psubs]

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

I can see him being like Cole Anthony. Wait they're on the same team. Maybe it's like a poor man's Garland/Sexton situation. One has to go and you have to decide which one is the Garland. It was easy to see that Sexton was the undersized SG that had to go.

[mdenny]

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

[HumbleRen]

Suggs is already too good of a defender to be a bust.

[HumbleRen]

Would like to see Scottie utilize his handles more against bigs, he seems to be very successful with it in lulling them and then suddenly pushing them out of the way to score at the rim.

[Yeezus_]

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

[720]

Remember when Pooh Jeter was on here arguing that Suggs had a higher ceiling than Barnes lol

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I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

You’re telling me I didn’t say what I said? lol foh.

Also yes, back then Barnes was still viewed as a Draymond type so I said he would be an ancillary piece. That's obviously changed now because he has shown so much more.

[WaltFrazier]

He sucks. I've never been so wrong about a prospect. Wagner was a great pick by the Magic, but Suggs has bust written all over him.

Really? You don't think he'll figure it out? It might take him a while and it might not be with the Magic, but I think he'll figure it out. Look at Chauncey Billups' stats as a rookie, their numbers are eerily similar.

He's going to need to figure out the 3 pointer, I think that is what will ultimately make or break him.

I don't think he's a bust, but I also don't think he will live up to the expectation of the #5 pick in one of the most loaded draft of the decade. I suspect he's going to carve out a Marcus Smart like career, a solid role player who can contribute towards winning basketball but lacks the offensive skills to be a legitimate star PG.

And yet he has every skill - drive/finish, pass, handle, defense. Only shot is missing. If it gets better he will be a star, if not then yes solid role player.