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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1221 » by PhilBlackson » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:14 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25201330-2025-nba-mock-draft-top-5-shakeup-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comps

KM new high at #4. TOR gets Kon

4. Charlotte Hornets: Khaman Maluach (Duke, C)

Size: 7'1", 253 lbs

Age: 18

Nationality: South Sudan

Pro Comparison: Dereck Lively II

Combine measurements confirmed what scouts expected: Khaman Maluach has elite length, with a 7'7" wingspan, a 9'6" standing reach and oversized hands that help him finish around the rim.

Scouts raved about how he looked during in pro day in Los Angeles. Workouts also create an opportunity for Maluach to showcase shotmaking skill that was masked during the season with Duke.

The buzz and interest have been snowballing to the point where scouts think Maluach will be a strong possibility once Flagg, Harper and Bailey are gone.


5. Utah Jazz: VJ Edgecombe (Baylor, SG)
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Pro Comparisons: Andrew Wiggins, Victor Oladipo, Iman Shumpert

VJ Edgecombe weighed in 13 pounds heavier than his listed weight at Baylor—a promising sign for a wing who thrives attacking downhill and finishing at the rim.

His explosiveness, defensive agility and strong assist-to-turnover ratio make him a natural fit alongside a shotmaker like Keyonte George. Edgecombe also knocked down 52 threes and showed flashes of point-of-attack creation, signaling enough scoring upside to justify top-five consideration.

6. Washington Wizards: Jeremiah Fears (Oklahoma, PG)
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Size: 6'3", 180 lbs

Age: 18

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Dejounte Murray

Once Dylan Harper is off the board, teams seeking backcourt creation, rim pressure and playmaking are likely to shift their focus to Jeremiah Fears. Scouts expect the 18-year-old to draw top-five consideration—especially after he averaged 22.3 points and 4.8 assists over Oklahoma’s final nine games.

Fears will use pre-draft workouts to address concerns about his three-point shooting. While his percentage left questions, his 38 made threes show he has clear shot-making ability, and he converted 42.6 percent of his mid-range attempts.

Some teams may be hesitant due to his inconsistent range, high turnover rate and limited effectiveness off the ball. Still, Fears looks like a realistic target for guard-needy teams drafting early in the lottery.

7. New Orleans Pelicans: Tre Johnson (Texas, SG)
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Pro Comparison: Tyler Herro

Tre Johnson posted encouraging results at the combine: nearly 6'5" barefoot, a 6'10" wingspan, a 32-inch standing vertical and the second-fastest lane agility time.

With convincing shotmaking and eye-test results, he's widely believed to be locked into the top 10 of this draft. The question is how early a team will be willing to draft a non-playmaking guard who rarely gets to the rim or free-throw line. But Johnson also seems advanced enough with his self-creation and shooting to provide surefire perimeter scoring.

8. Brooklyn Nets: Noa Essengue (Ratiopharm Ulm, PF)
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Size: 6'10", 198 lbs

Age: 18

Nationality: France

Pro Comparison: Jerami Grant

Big scoring outputs are becoming more common from Noa Essengue, who just went for 22 points and 14 boards in Ulm's Game One win over the German BBL Semis.

He drilled a go-ahead three and game-sealing And-One finish in overtime.

Essengue is consistently generating easy points all season through rim runs, cuts and offensive rebounds. Now, he’s also showing growth in his self-creation—finishing drives more confidently and knocking down rhythm threes.

Improving on-ball skills and rising offensive production are turning him into a notable draft storyline for the second-youngest prospect in the class.

9. Toronto Raptors: Kon Knueppel (Duke, SF)

Size: 6'6", 217 lbs

Age: 19

Nationality: USA

Pro Comparison: Cameron Johnson

Every team figures to have some level of interest in Kon Knueppel's shotmaking, efficient scoring and easy fit.

Viewed as a safe pick with a valued, bankable skill in shooting, he also flashed strong driving ability and high-level, ball-screen playmaking reads.

Unless the Raptors aren't sold on Knueppel offering upside, he figures to be a primary candidate in the best-player-available discussion at No. 8.


10. Houston Rockets (via Suns): Kasparas Jakucionis (Illinois, PG/SG)
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There is some divide among scouts trying to weigh Kasparas Jakucionis' shotmaking skill and playmaking feel versus his lack of burst and separation ability.

Top-10 teams may see too much risk, but later in the lottery, his positional size and shooting-passing combination should create enough translatable versatility.



Kon is a fine pick, but they have us passing both Yang and Markovic in the 2nd! I would be gutted.


If he were available in the 2nd and Maluach were drafted before our 1st, then drafting Yang would be an absolute must imo.

Quite frankly I think we should trade back into the late 1st and make certain we could get Yang. He’d arguably be the ideal fit if he can in fact move his feet well enough defensively to at least be solid ie/ something like how Steven Adams used to.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1222 » by Indeed » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:25 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:https://www.nba.com/news/2025-consensus-mock-draft

MOST COMMON PICKS
Below are where the player is most commonly projected, with the number of mock drafts in parentheses. For example, Cooper Flagg is projected to go first in 10 of 10 updated mock drafts listed below:

No. 1 (Mavericks): Cooper Flagg (10)

No. 2 (Spurs): Dylan Harper (10)

No. 3 (76ers): Ace Bailey (5)

No. 4 (Hornets): VJ Edgecombe (7)

No. 5 (Jazz): Jeremiah Fears (3), Tre Johnson (3)

No. 6 (Wizards): Tre Johnson (4)

No. 7 (Pelicans): Kon Knueppel (3)

No. 8 (Nets): Jeremiah Fears (4)

No. 9 (Raptors): Derik Queen (3)

No. 10 (Rockets): Kasparas Jakucionis (3)

No. 11 (Trail Blazers): Collin Murray-Boyles (3)

No. 12 (Bulls): Jase Richardson (3)

No. 13 (Hawks): Noa Essengue, Collin Murray-Boyles (2)

No. 14 (Spurs): Carter Bryant (3)


This make sense the most to me regarding top 10. I think Atlanta would draft Maluach, and Bulls may look at some PF or C instead of another guard.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1223 » by niQ » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:31 pm

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Still think they need a PG but if this trade goes down, Nets will be interested in Maluach.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1224 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jun 3, 2025 2:34 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1225 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:04 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25201330-2025-nba-mock-draft-top-5-shakeup-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comps

KM new high at #4. TOR gets Kon

4. Charlotte Hornets: Khaman Maluach (Duke, C)

Size: 7'1", 253 lbs

Age: 18

Nationality: South Sudan

Pro Comparison: Dereck Lively II

Combine measurements confirmed what scouts expected: Khaman Maluach has elite length, with a 7'7" wingspan, a 9'6" standing reach and oversized hands that help him finish around the rim.

Scouts raved about how he looked during in pro day in Los Angeles. Workouts also create an opportunity for Maluach to showcase shotmaking skill that was masked during the season with Duke.

The buzz and interest have been snowballing to the point where scouts think Maluach will be a strong possibility once Flagg, Harper and Bailey are gone.


5. Utah Jazz: VJ Edgecombe (Baylor, SG)
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Size: 6'4", 193 lbs

Age: 19

Nationality: Bahamas

Pro Comparisons: Andrew Wiggins, Victor Oladipo, Iman Shumpert

VJ Edgecombe weighed in 13 pounds heavier than his listed weight at Baylor—a promising sign for a wing who thrives attacking downhill and finishing at the rim.

His explosiveness, defensive agility and strong assist-to-turnover ratio make him a natural fit alongside a shotmaker like Keyonte George. Edgecombe also knocked down 52 threes and showed flashes of point-of-attack creation, signaling enough scoring upside to justify top-five consideration.

6. Washington Wizards: Jeremiah Fears (Oklahoma, PG)
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Size: 6'3", 180 lbs

Age: 18

Nationality: American

Pro Comparison: Dejounte Murray

Once Dylan Harper is off the board, teams seeking backcourt creation, rim pressure and playmaking are likely to shift their focus to Jeremiah Fears. Scouts expect the 18-year-old to draw top-five consideration—especially after he averaged 22.3 points and 4.8 assists over Oklahoma’s final nine games.

Fears will use pre-draft workouts to address concerns about his three-point shooting. While his percentage left questions, his 38 made threes show he has clear shot-making ability, and he converted 42.6 percent of his mid-range attempts.

Some teams may be hesitant due to his inconsistent range, high turnover rate and limited effectiveness off the ball. Still, Fears looks like a realistic target for guard-needy teams drafting early in the lottery.

7. New Orleans Pelicans: Tre Johnson (Texas, SG)
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Size: 6'5", 190 lbs

Age: 19

Nationality: USA

Pro Comparison: Tyler Herro

Tre Johnson posted encouraging results at the combine: nearly 6'5" barefoot, a 6'10" wingspan, a 32-inch standing vertical and the second-fastest lane agility time.

With convincing shotmaking and eye-test results, he's widely believed to be locked into the top 10 of this draft. The question is how early a team will be willing to draft a non-playmaking guard who rarely gets to the rim or free-throw line. But Johnson also seems advanced enough with his self-creation and shooting to provide surefire perimeter scoring.

8. Brooklyn Nets: Noa Essengue (Ratiopharm Ulm, PF)
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Size: 6'10", 198 lbs

Age: 18

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Pro Comparison: Jerami Grant

Big scoring outputs are becoming more common from Noa Essengue, who just went for 22 points and 14 boards in Ulm's Game One win over the German BBL Semis.

He drilled a go-ahead three and game-sealing And-One finish in overtime.

Essengue is consistently generating easy points all season through rim runs, cuts and offensive rebounds. Now, he’s also showing growth in his self-creation—finishing drives more confidently and knocking down rhythm threes.

Improving on-ball skills and rising offensive production are turning him into a notable draft storyline for the second-youngest prospect in the class.

9. Toronto Raptors: Kon Knueppel (Duke, SF)

Size: 6'6", 217 lbs

Age: 19

Nationality: USA

Pro Comparison: Cameron Johnson

Every team figures to have some level of interest in Kon Knueppel's shotmaking, efficient scoring and easy fit.

Viewed as a safe pick with a valued, bankable skill in shooting, he also flashed strong driving ability and high-level, ball-screen playmaking reads.

Unless the Raptors aren't sold on Knueppel offering upside, he figures to be a primary candidate in the best-player-available discussion at No. 8.


10. Houston Rockets (via Suns): Kasparas Jakucionis (Illinois, PG/SG)
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Age: 19

Nationality: Lithuania

Pro comparison: Coby White

There is some divide among scouts trying to weigh Kasparas Jakucionis' shotmaking skill and playmaking feel versus his lack of burst and separation ability.

Top-10 teams may see too much risk, but later in the lottery, his positional size and shooting-passing combination should create enough translatable versatility.


I could totally see things panning out this way.

I would also be fine with Kon. He would help right away.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1226 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:05 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1227 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:27 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1228 » by DG88 » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:35 pm

This happens every year with teams taking calls on their picks. It due diligence it's only rare for the 1st overall pick, unless you're getting a generational talent coming your way.

Just seeing the latest mock from Wasserman only solidifies my belief that the draft will be fluid from 3-12. I feel like someone who was slated to go higher falls to us at 9.
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Post#1229 » by Jay_Hawk » Tue Jun 3, 2025 3:53 pm

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Kurtz wrote:That's interesting, but are those numbers actually good? 7th in block percentage for Freshmen...I'd expect a guy his size and draft hype to be closer to #1.

FYI... he was 7th at the time that article was published, but ended up in 12th place by the end of the season.

Regardless... if it were such an important metric to summarize the long-term value of a C or PF prospect, why aren't all of the freshmen with higher block percentages projected to be lottery picks this year just the same as him?

Luke Bamgboye - 14.9%
Magoon Gwath - 14.6%
Somto Cyril - 13.2%
Evan Otten - 11.1%
Flory Bidugna - 10.8%
Jayden Quaintance - 9.8%
Jayden Williams - 9.3%
Oswin Erhunmwunse - 8.8%
Jamai Felt - 8.3%
Moustapha Thiam - 7.9%
Thomas Sorber - 7.6%
Khaman Maluach - 6.6%

Kurtz wrote:Second in true effective percentage...for a guy who mostly just finishes lobs on a stacked team, I'd expect him to be the runaway #1 in this stat.

Among freshmen, he finished the season in the #1 spot with a 72.4% true effective percentage.

2nd place was Chilaydrien Newton at 70.2%
3rd place was Flory Bidugna at 69.6%

Kurtz wrote:Only averaging 2.2 fouls...you can frame this as good, but when you watch him play, you may attribute that to him being soft/passive. Etc.

It's all about balance...

All else being equal, a lower number of fouls per game means the player remains on the floor longer and does not foul out of the game.

For comparison...

Luke Bamgboye (16.8 mins) with 2.0 fouls per game = 1 foul every 8.4 minutes played

Magoon Gwath (25.0 mins) with 1.9 fouls per game = 1 foul every 13.1 minutes played

Somto Cyril (14.1 mins) with 2.1 fouls per game = 1 foul every 6.7 minutes played

Evan Otten (22.5 mins) with 3.0 fouls per game = 1 foul every 7.5 minutes played

Flory Bidugna (16.3 mins) with 2.2 fouls per game = 1 foul every 7.4 minutes played

Jayden Quaintance (29.7 mins) with 2.6 fouls per game = 1 foul every 11.4 minutes played

Jayden Williams (16.6 mins) with 2.4 fouls per game = 1 foul every 6.4 minutes played

Oswin Erhunmwunse (20.0 mins) with 3.0 fouls per game = 1 foul every 6.7 minutes played

Jamai Felt (20.5 mins) with 2.6 fouls per game = 1 foul every 7.8 minutes played

Moustapha Thiam (28.7 mins) with 2.8 fouls per game = 1 foul every 10.25 minutes played

Thomas Sorber (31.3 mins) with 2.2 fouls per game = 1 foul every 14.2 minutes played

Khaman Maluach (21.3 mins) with 2.1 fouls per game = 1 foul every 10.1 minutes played

By this measurement, only Thomas Sorber, Magoon Gwath, Jayden Quaintance, and Moustapha Thiam are able to stay on the floor longer than Khaman Maluach.

Not surprisingly, each of them also has a higher number of minutes played per game compared to Khaman Maluach.

Kurtz wrote:I think he only started playing ball when he was 14, so his lack of an offensive package is understandable, but he is very soft for a guy who should have been able to dominate college kids physically, and I don't think that physicality is a learned characteristic.

Blocks per foul is another metric to consider when comparing how soft or aggressive each of these prospects might be, but I will leave that up to yourself or perhaps someone else to dig up those stats for each of these freshmen and compare them to each other.


Why not use the block percentage of the top 10 NBA block leaders in their freshman year?

1 - Kessler - 10.7%
2 - Holmgren - 12.6%
3 - AD - 13.7%
4 - Turner - 12.3%
5 - Lopez - 4.9%
6 - Gafford - 11.5%
7 - R. Williams - 10.6%
8 - Clingan - 14.3%
9 - I. Jackson - 12.7%
10 - Lively - 12.7%

Maluach - 6.8%

Unless Maluach is a complete outlier like Lopez, history is against him becoming an elite rim protector... and Maluach's whole appeal is defense/rim protecting. It's hard to get excited about a giant who is bad at his supposed "elite" skill. Maluach is a do not draft for me.



I also have Maluach on my DND list. I wanted to love the guy—in theory, he’s exactly what we need—so I ended up watching twenty Duke games this year with a keen focus on Maluach and he absolutely did not impress me. To put it simply, I don’t think he has what is needed mentally to make the kind of impact you want a top 10 pick to make.

That said, thanks to XTC, ClutchOz (I think? Your stance is trickier to peg), and Indeed for all the less flattering Maluach posts. It’s helped keep me sane lol.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1230 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:07 pm

Maluach's ability to step out and defend on the perimeter and switch against wings and some guards is a hell of a lot more important NBA sign than his blk%

Having a slow footed big who can only play drop coverage limits your defensive potential.
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Post#1231 » by Yallbecrazy » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:20 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Maluach's ability to step out and defend on the perimeter and switch against wings and some guards is a hell of a lot more important NBA sign than his blk%

Having a slow footed big who can only play drop coverage limits your defensive potential.


cool, where are his steals then from defending on the perimeter?
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Post#1232 » by BoyzNTheHood » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:22 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1233 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:29 pm

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OakleyDokely wrote:Maluach's ability to step out and defend on the perimeter and switch against wings and some guards is a hell of a lot more important NBA sign than his blk%

Having a slow footed big who can only play drop coverage limits your defensive potential.


cool, where are his steals then from defending on the perimeter?


It's a lot more important for him to stick to his man, than to try and reach in on a quicker player that's a ft smaller than him.

There's a reason he's been able to guard both in the paint and on the perimeter without fouling at a high rate.
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Post#1234 » by mademan » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:33 pm

I would be absolutely shocked if KM could reasonably switch onto the perimeter in the NBA. Doing at the college level with the smaller courts, less talented guards when you have a great defensive team with arguably the best defensive player in college helping from the weak side (Flagg) is one thing. Doing it 25-30 feet from the basket in an open floor against NBA talent is a whole other thing

KM's athletic tests were god awful. I dont see that skillset translating
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Post#1235 » by mademan » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:37 pm

I would take Kon in a second if he's there. He's a true elite shooter, unlike Dick, imo. A guy who might be a 50-40-90 at some point in the NBA (but probably just year over year 40/90 without the 50), he's got more on ball chops AND he gets to the line a lot more (0.339 FTr vs 0.226). I'd ship Dick out for a later pick in the draft and take KK easily if he's there.
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Post#1236 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:38 pm

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1237 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:42 pm

mademan wrote:I would take Kon in a second if he's there. He's a true elite shooter, unlike Dick, imo. A guy who might be a 50-40-90 at some point in the NBA (but probably just year over year 40/90 without the 50), he's got more on ball chops AND he gets to the line a lot more (0.339 FTr vs 0.226). I'd ship Dick out for a later pick in the draft and take KK easily if he's there.


He’s a no brainer. We were at the bottom in 3’s last season. We still need major help. I think he would ideally be the best hybrid of BPA and Need

Thats a win at 9
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1238 » by Tor_Raps » Tue Jun 3, 2025 4:50 pm

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mademan wrote:I would take Kon in a second if he's there. He's a true elite shooter, unlike Dick, imo. A guy who might be a 50-40-90 at some point in the NBA (but probably just year over year 40/90 without the 50), he's got more on ball chops AND he gets to the line a lot more (0.339 FTr vs 0.226). I'd ship Dick out for a later pick in the draft and take KK easily if he's there.


He’s a no brainer. We were at the bottom in 3’s last season. We still need major help. I think he would ideally be the best hybrid of BPA and Need

Thats a win at 9


How's his defense? Is he projected to just be a 3 Point specialist?
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Post#1239 » by mademan » Tue Jun 3, 2025 5:01 pm

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mademan wrote:I would take Kon in a second if he's there. He's a true elite shooter, unlike Dick, imo. A guy who might be a 50-40-90 at some point in the NBA (but probably just year over year 40/90 without the 50), he's got more on ball chops AND he gets to the line a lot more (0.339 FTr vs 0.226). I'd ship Dick out for a later pick in the draft and take KK easily if he's there.


He’s a no brainer. We were at the bottom in 3’s last season. We still need major help. I think he would ideally be the best hybrid of BPA and Need

Thats a win at 9


How's his defense? Is he projected to just be a 3 Point specialist?


Decent. Not a stopper and not the fastest feet, but he's got good size and strength. He was a positive defensive player in college, but he was playing with Flagg and KM, so who knows how he'll be without that kind of defensive backline
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Discussion Part 8 

Post#1240 » by WuTang_OG » Tue Jun 3, 2025 5:06 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:
mademan wrote:I would take Kon in a second if he's there. He's a true elite shooter, unlike Dick, imo. A guy who might be a 50-40-90 at some point in the NBA (but probably just year over year 40/90 without the 50), he's got more on ball chops AND he gets to the line a lot more (0.339 FTr vs 0.226). I'd ship Dick out for a later pick in the draft and take KK easily if he's there.


He’s a no brainer. We were at the bottom in 3’s last season. We still need major help. I think he would ideally be the best hybrid of BPA and Need

Thats a win at 9


How's his defense? Is he projected to just be a 3 Point specialist?

underrated. hes stocky, so not like Dick lol

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