Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 12

[RapsFanInVA]

p.s: I can clearly remember"expert" Jay Bilas saying Randy Foye will be the next Wade in that draft so maybe then Waiters.......

That was Dickie V, as the camera was cutting away, shouting "He's Dwyane Wade baby!"

[neurotik]

I agree Beal can fall to 8. Something like this:

NOH - Davis
CHA - Robinson
WAS - MKG
CLE - Leonard or Lamb: They've gone off the board before
SAC - Drummond
POR - Lillard or whoever CLE doesn't take of Leonard/Lamb: Lillard and Leonard fit their needs more + don't rule out any team to prefer Lamb to Beal if they take SG
GSW - Barnes or Sullinger: I would bet on them passing on Beal if he gets there, Klay Thompson is great and they need a SF or another big

Beal won' t fall to us. Lamb and Leonard are not going 4, in fact I don't think either will go top ten. Portland may like Lillard, but they won't pass on Beal. They need a SG as well. If he somehow does get past Portland, then GSW take him

[wanker]

I agree Beal can fall to 8. Something like this:

NOH - Davis
CHA - Robinson
WAS - MKG
CLE - Leonard or Lamb: They've gone off the board before
SAC - Drummond
POR - Lillard or whoever CLE doesn't take of Leonard/Lamb: Lillard and Leonard fit their needs more + don't rule out any team to prefer Lamb to Beal if they take SG
GSW - Barnes or Sullinger: I would bet on them passing on Beal if he gets there, Klay Thompson is great and they need a SF or another big

Or this:

NOH - Leonard
CHA - Davis
WAS - ...


If Leonard goes first overall, someone else drops...

[neurotik]

I agree Beal can fall to 8. Something like this:

NOH - Davis
CHA - Robinson
WAS - MKG
CLE - Leonard or Lamb: They've gone off the board before
SAC - Drummond
POR - Lillard or whoever CLE doesn't take of Leonard/Lamb: Lillard and Leonard fit their needs more + don't rule out any team to prefer Lamb to Beal if they take SG
GSW - Barnes or Sullinger: I would bet on them passing on Beal if he gets there, Klay Thompson is great and they need a SF or another big

Or this:

NOH - Leonard
CHA - Davis
WAS - ...


If Leonard goes first overall, someone else drops...

LMAO

[Kevin Willis]

I agree Beal can fall to 8. Something like this:

NOH - Davis
CHA - Robinson
WAS - MKG
CLE - Leonard or Lamb: They've gone off the board before
SAC - Drummond
POR - Lillard or whoever CLE doesn't take of Leonard/Lamb: Lillard and Leonard fit their needs more + don't rule out any team to prefer Lamb to Beal if they take SG
GSW - Barnes or Sullinger: I would bet on them passing on Beal if he gets there, Klay Thompson is great and they need a SF or another big

Or this:

NOH - Leonard
CHA - Davis
WAS - ...


If Leonard goes first overall, someone else drops...

Classic...

[Totem]

I agree Beal can fall to 8. Something like this:

NOH - Davis
CHA - Robinson
WAS - MKG
CLE - Leonard or Lamb: They've gone off the board before
SAC - Drummond
POR - Lillard or whoever CLE doesn't take of Leonard/Lamb: Lillard and Leonard fit their needs more + don't rule out any team to prefer Lamb to Beal if they take SG
GSW - Barnes or Sullinger: I would bet on them passing on Beal if he gets there, Klay Thompson is great and they need a SF or another big

Or this:

NOH - Leonard
CHA - Davis
WAS - ...


If Leonard goes first overall, someone else drops...

[JunkYardSubs]

Okay so right now it seems like Davis, MKG, Robinson, Beal, and Drummond will be gone when our pick arrives.

That leaves Sully, Barnes, Lamb, and Lillard left with two picks ahead of us.

The wizards pick shapes the rest of the draft.

Worst case scenario is the current mock draft on .net:

1. Davis
2. Robinson
3/4.Drummond / MKG
5. Barnes
6, Lillard
7. Beal

Leaving us with Lamb and... Rivers
However, I doubt Portland would go with Lillard when Beal is on the board. And no way GS takes Lillard.

Anyway heres the realistic possible combos Im seeing. Green is good, red is bad.

3 (WAS), MKG
4 (CLE), Beal
5 (SAC), Drummond
6 (POR), Lillard
7 (GSW), Barnes

3 (WAS), Beal
4 (CLE), MKG
5 (SAC), Drummond
6 (POR), Lillard
7 (GSW), Barnes


3 (WAS), Beal
4 (CLE), Barnes
5 (SAC), MKG
6 (POR),Drummond
7 (GSW), NOT Lillard

3 (WAS), Drummond
4 (CLE), MKG
5 (SAC), Barnes
6 (POR), Beal
7 (GSW), NOT Lillard

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Barnes or Lillard for me

[Test of Wills]

The Wizards pick is the key to our draft. All the dominoes will fall after that pick.

They can look to pair Wall up with a strong PF in Robinson, a versatile guard in Beal or an all around SF in MKG depending on CHA passing him up.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

The Wizards pick is the key to our draft. All the dominoes will fall after that pick.

They can look to pair Wall up with a strong PF in Robinson, a versatile guard in Beal or an all around SF in MKG depending on CHA passing him up.

The draft starts at #2, so isn't that the most important pick to everybody after that, including Washington and Toronto? Charlotte will either trade it or reach over Drummond for a scorer.

I would say that, after #2, #6 to Portland is the most important to the Raps because that could be Lillard or, in the event Drummond is somehow available, not-Lillard, which could dictate our pick. I'm sure GSW goes big at #7.

With all of this Kings/Tyreke/Drummond talk, which makes no sense to me as nobody needs a stretch big next to him more than Cousins, maybe something like Tyreke/#5 for #2/somebody/something goes down. The Kings, if they want Drummond, should be worried about Washington and Cleveland and other potential buyer of #2. He's the only player worth trading up for.

[Mehar]

People need to get real. Barnes or Beal will not be there at 8. Stop talking best case scenario. Be realistic. Golden State from what I read from someone who covers them on a regular basis basically stated that Barnes was their guy if he falls. Beal will not last past 5 or 6 max. Might as well trade the pick for an upgrade at the 3, with Danillo Gallinari my top choice instead of Gay or Iguodala. Gallinari signed a 4 year 42 million dollar extension, making about 8 million less than Gay for the next 3 seasons, is younger and an overall better bang for the buck than Gay. In the NBA, salary cap matters, and tying over 18 million bucks to Gay for the next three seasons is not the smartest move to make for this Franchise, since they already stated they would not be paying the Luxury Tax. A package of Davis, the 8th Pick, both second round picks and a guy like Kleiza might do it, since Denver already threw a boatload of money to sign their other SF Wilson Chandler. If not, throw in Calderon as well to make the deal happen.

[Zeno]

People need to get real. Barnes or Beal will not be there at 8. Stop talking best case scenario. Be realistic. Golden State from what I read from someone who covers them on a regular basis basically stated that Barnes was their guy if he falls. Beal will not last past 5 or 6 max. Might as well trade the pick for an upgrade at the 3, with Danillo Gallinari my top choice instead of Gay or Iguodala. Gallinari signed a 4 year 42 million dollar extension, making about 8 million less than Gay for the next 3 seasons, is younger and an overall better bang for the buck than Gay. In the NBA, salary cap matters, and tying over 18 million bucks to Gay for the next three seasons is not the smartest move to make for this Franchise, since they already stated they would not be paying the Luxury Tax. A package of Davis, the 8th Pick, both second round picks and a guy like Kleiza might do it, since Denver already threw a boatload of money to sign their other SF Wilson Chandler. If not, throw in Calderon as well to make the deal happen.

Though I bet some would disagree, Gallinari is not a bad idea with the #8, Still young and is a good outside shooter. It fits. Not sure I'd want to give up Ed too, and the 2nd rounders and Kleiza. That seems like too much. The trade works with just him for the #8 straight up which I think is fair. Still I'd want the #20 from them and send them JJ and the 2nd rounders to balance the deal.

[Mister Ze]

Okay so right now it seems like Davis, MKG, Robinson, Beal, and Drummond will be gone when our pick arrives.

I think Drummond could easily fall to the Raptors, he's a risky pick but has high upside. Teams might just go with the safest pick/position of need.

1. Davis NOH
2. Robinson CHA
3. MKG Wizards
4. Beal Cleveland
5. Harrison Barnes Sacramento
6. Lillard Portland
7. PJ III/Waiters/Drummond GSW
They have some atrocious contracts but it seems like the two players that would easily fit into their system would be PJ and Waiters who can each play 2 positions. Drafting Drummond wouldn't make much sense unless they plan on amnestying Biedrins.
8. Drummond TOR or Lamb if Drummond is gone.
The fact that BC mentioned every possible prospect except for Lamb while saying teams don't want to show their full hand really says something.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Okay so right now it seems like Davis, MKG, Robinson, Beal, and Drummond will be gone when our pick arrives.

I think Drummond could easily fall to the Raptors, he's a risky pick but has high upside. Teams might just go with the safest pick/position of need.

1. Davis NOH
2. Robinson CHA
3. MKG Wizards
4. Beal Cleveland
5. Harrison Barnes Sacramento
6. Lillard Portland
7. PJ III/Waiters/Drummond GSW
They have some atrocious contracts but it seems like the two players that would easily fit into their system would be PJ and Waiters who can each play 2 positions. Drafting Drummond wouldn't make much sense unless they plan on amnestying Biedrins.
8. Drummond TOR or Lamb if Drummond is gone.
The fact that BC mentioned every possible prospect except for Lamb while saying teams don't want to show their full hand really says something.

With Lillard wowing in workouts it's VERY possible that someone like Drummond drops. And if he does, I'll say it for the 100th time. CALL HAKEEM!

[Rapsfan07]

Okay so right now it seems like Davis, MKG, Robinson, Beal, and Drummond will be gone when our pick arrives.

I think Drummond could easily fall to the Raptors, he's a risky pick but has high upside. Teams might just go with the safest pick/position of need.

1. Davis NOH
2. Robinson CHA
3. MKG Wizards
4. Beal Cleveland
5. Harrison Barnes Sacramento
6. Lillard Portland
7. PJ III/Waiters/Drummond GSW
They have some atrocious contracts but it seems like the two players that would easily fit into their system would be PJ and Waiters who can each play 2 positions. Drafting Drummond wouldn't make much sense unless they plan on amnestying Biedrins.
8. Drummond TOR or Lamb if Drummond is gone.
The fact that BC mentioned every possible prospect except for Lamb while saying teams don't want to show their full hand really says something.

With Lillard wowing in workouts it's VERY possible that someone like Drummond drops. And if he does, I'll say it for the 100th time. CALL HAKEEM!

+1

I want Lamb
I'd be happy with Lillard
I'd be okay with Barnes or Drummond

[DA_SCOUT]

Raptors board should and does look like this:

#1 option: Anyone that drops
#2 option: Lillard/Lamb
#3 option: draft down get Harkless/PJ III/ Waiters/Rivers

I'm thinking the draft will be like...

1. Davis - New Orleans
2. T.Robinson - Charlotte
3. Beal - Washington
4. MKG- Cleveland
5. Drummond - Sacramento
6. Lillard - Portland
7. Barnes - Golden State
8. Waiters, which is quickly packaged for Igoudala
9. Sullinger - Detroit
10. Rivers, which is quickly packaged to SA
11. Lamb, which is quickly packaged to Chicago
12. PJ III - Milwaukee
13. Marshall - Phoenix (Nash's replacement)
14. Terrence Jones/Leonard -Houston
15. Ross/Harkless (Raptors New Pick)

Idk you just get the vibe a lot of trades are going to go down

[DA_SCOUT]

BTW unlike many here, Drummond dropping to 8 would be a legit. As Mario said, call Hakeem. Him and JV could be beast.

[mathgeek]

Worst case scenario for us is if we are going to be choosing between Lamb, Sullinger, PJ3. IMO Sullinger is eliminated since we have too many PFs and also PJ3 is eliminated considering he has way too many uncertainties. If BC picks Lamb he would have picked the consensus pick at 8 so even if the pick doesn't pan out i can't imagine him facing much scrutiny. That is assuming we don't do any trades.

[Kenyon009]

If you get Drummond, him and Val would be beasting it for the next ten years. Then you can trade Bargnani for Lowry. And package Ed+Calderon+2013 pick for Gay.

Val
???/Drummond
Gay
DeRozan
Lowry

[BillyGM]

And probably Toronto would have strongest lineup of C and PF, JV, some backup and Drummond, old Bargs as backup