Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

Raptors UDFA Prospect F Feron Hunt (SMU)

SMU Player Profile https://smumustangs.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/feron-hunt/11662

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[casual_raps_fan]

If I'm Masai, I'm gonna trying to figure out how to trade up for Jaden McDaniels.

I obviously got love for OG but he simply doesn't have the talent base JM appears to have. Some might flame but I'd consider (didn't say absolutely would) even flipping OG to be able to move up and get him. The kid just looks to have some of the tools to be an excellent scoring wing which is needed to compliment Siakam. Yes OG's defense would be missed but overall I think a more talented secondary scorer is a greater need for the team. McDaniels looks like with some development which we excel at, could become a go to scorer in time.

McDaniels definitely has massive potential on both ends of the floor but he also has a low floor. It'd be a massive risk flipping OG who is a proven commodity with potential still on his rookie contract. The team getting OG would have to add a lot of sweeteners to make it even.

If McDaniels is our guy, we would probably move up a little bit with second rounders, lower tier prospects + 28th pick OR trade norm. I love Norm but he will be expiring 2021 so we might want to cash in on him to grab future assets. Possible trading partner would be the Pelicans.

I personally am not interested in moving up or trading for McDaniels. I'd be cool if he falls into our lap at the 28th pick though.

[casual_raps_fan]

But are we gonna get a legit scoring wing at our pick? Im gonna guess no, but who knows..

Grant Riller is a guard but will probably be able to grab buckets at the NBA level and also would give us another ball handler (Patrick McCaw replacement). He's shooting up many draft boards though.

Jaden McDaniels has been mentioned around here a lot. He's pretty raw and has scoring potential.

My assumption is that if it's not a guard, they will have to be a project type of player if we want scoring from a wing.

[Indeed]

I don't think we need a scoring wing, I think we need a playmaker at the wing.
I have Powell who is a scoring wing already, and we are not starting him over VanVleet or OG for a reason, because we need playmaker rather.

CJ Elleby has that talent in his skill set as well. He is an above average passer with the ability to handle the ball as a point forward. He has a high basketball IQ able to recognize defensive schemes on the move and in the halfcourt. He is able to quickly move the ball up the court in transition, in the paint to cutters/post and around the perimeter with his passing. Plus, CJ is a legit 6'6 barefoot. Powell is 6'3 barefoot. The highlight video below showcases some of CJ's passing, ball handling abilities in case you want to view them for yourself.

Spoiler:

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Proof of height measurement. Show 6'6 barefoot or any listing of him being 6'7 with shoes.

If you can't you are not allowed to post about any player from the state of Washington or plays for a team that plays in the Pac 12. If you can I will stop commenting this spamming.

I mean this guy joined in April 21 of this year and is likely bored from Covid isolation and is spamming like that famous Lebron hater Henry Rivera, who was arrested for assault.

No, I don't watch the highlight video, because it is not accurate.
I watch this:

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Scouting for: Blue UCLA #5, Red WS #2
It is showing against a NBA talent defender, and the last couple of plays (in OT) shows the ability to take over games.

[Indeed]

Trade up could be advantageous if it’s cheap.

It depends on the price though, maybe protected 2022 pick+28.

Wouldn’t give up too much more than that , probably not worth it.

Not a fan of trading up for Vasell, i like the guy but he’s a little redundant with OG and I don’t think it be great to play them together (too little dribbling)

I would not include the 2022 (first year removing one and done rule, having high school prospect after these years) draft pick.
I am pretty sure it would be one of the strongest. Next year 2021, 2022, 2023 are condensed draft years.

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

CJ Elleby has that talent in his skill set as well. He is an above average passer with the ability to handle the ball as a point forward. He has a high basketball IQ able to recognize defensive schemes on the move and in the halfcourt. He is able to quickly move the ball up the court in transition, in the paint to cutters/post and around the perimeter with his passing. Plus, CJ is a legit 6'6 barefoot. Powell is 6'3 barefoot. The highlight video below showcases some of CJ's passing, ball handling abilities in case you want to view them for yourself.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

No, I don't watch the highlight video, because it is not accurate.
I watch this:

Watch on YouTube

Scouting for: Blue UCLA #5, Red WS #2
It is showing against a NBA talent defender, and the last couple of plays (in OT) shows the ability to take over games.

I disagree. The video is accurate as it shows what you were asking for- playmaking ability. To each his own though. If you have the time to watch a full game video then more power to you as not everyone does. Btw- I saw that game when it originally aired it was a very competitive game.

[casual_raps_fan]

Trade up could be advantageous if it’s cheap.

It depends on the price though, maybe protected 2022 pick+28.

Wouldn’t give up too much more than that , probably not worth it.

Not a fan of trading up for Vasell, i like the guy but he’s a little redundant with OG and I don’t think it be great to play them together (too little dribbling)

I would not include the 2022 (first year removing one and done rule, having high school prospect after these years) draft pick.
I am pretty sure it would be one of the strongest. Next year 2021, 2022, 2023 are condensed draft years.

Ya definitely no trading future picks. With how the economy is right now, we have no clue what to expect in the future (cap, salary situation especially). It's very likely that the picks will be super valuable. Having 4 years of cheap players (with rights to match contracts) vs paying veteran contracts doesn't sound like a fair comparison.

[HeadtopChunes]

Trade up could be advantageous if it’s cheap.

It depends on the price though, maybe protected 2022 pick+28.

Wouldn’t give up too much more than that , probably not worth it.

Not a fan of trading up for Vasell, i like the guy but he’s a little redundant with OG and I don’t think it be great to play them together (too little dribbling)

I would not include the 2022 (first year removing one and done rule, having high school prospect after these years) draft pick.
I am pretty sure it would be one of the strongest. Next year 2021, 2022, 2023 are condensed draft years.

Has that been confirmed yet? Not sure.

I picked 22 because we might want another rookie scale for cap reasons in 21

[Indeed]

Trade up could be advantageous if it’s cheap.

It depends on the price though, maybe protected 2022 pick+28.

Wouldn’t give up too much more than that , probably not worth it.

Not a fan of trading up for Vasell, i like the guy but he’s a little redundant with OG and I don’t think it be great to play them together (too little dribbling)

I would not include the 2022 (first year removing one and done rule, having high school prospect after these years) draft pick.
I am pretty sure it would be one of the strongest. Next year 2021, 2022, 2023 are condensed draft years.

Has that been confirmed yet? Not sure.

I picked 22 because we might want another rookie scale for cap reasons in 21

This is not confirmed, and currently it is standstill, because the league wants the disclosing of physicals and medical evaluations, while union backed by agents are against it. But just in case things change all of a sudden, I rather not to risk that future pick.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-wont-eliminate-one-and-done-rule-any-time-soon-with-discussions-stalled-over-one-key-issue-per-report/

[Indeed]

CJ Elleby has that talent in his skill set as well. He is an above average passer with the ability to handle the ball as a point forward. He has a high basketball IQ able to recognize defensive schemes on the move and in the halfcourt. He is able to quickly move the ball up the court in transition, in the paint to cutters/post and around the perimeter with his passing. Plus, CJ is a legit 6'6 barefoot. Powell is 6'3 barefoot. The highlight video below showcases some of CJ's passing, ball handling abilities in case you want to view them for yourself.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

No, I don't watch the highlight video, because it is not accurate.
I watch this:

Watch on YouTube

Scouting for: Blue UCLA #5, Red WS #2
It is showing against a NBA talent defender, and the last couple of plays (in OT) shows the ability to take over games.

I disagree. The video is accurate as it shows what you were asking for- playmaking ability. To each his own though. If you have the time to watch a full game video then more power to you as not everyone does. Btw- I saw that game when it originally aired it was a very competitive game.

The video is not accurate in terms of evaluating a player, because some highlights may not give a full picture of the situation.
For example, on defense, I see him being hide behind less offensive players, when he was against the offensive players, he tend to gamble and went out of position, where my thought is that his defensive mentality may make him below average defender.

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

CJ Elleby has that talent in his skill set as well. He is an above average passer with the ability to handle the ball as a point forward. He has a high basketball IQ able to recognize defensive schemes on the move and in the halfcourt. He is able to quickly move the ball up the court in transition, in the paint to cutters/post and around the perimeter with his passing. Plus, CJ is a legit 6'6 barefoot. Powell is 6'3 barefoot. The highlight video below showcases some of CJ's passing, ball handling abilities in case you want to view them for yourself.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Scouting for: Blue UCLA #5, Red WS #2
It is showing against a NBA talent defender, and the last couple of plays (in OT) shows the ability to take over games.

I disagree. The video is accurate as it shows what you were asking for- playmaking ability. To each his own though. If you have the time to watch a full game video then more power to you as not everyone does. Btw- I saw that game when it originally aired it was a very competitive game.

The video is not accurate in terms of evaluating a player, because some highlights may not give a full picture of the situation.
For example, on defense, I see him being hide behind less offensive players, when he was against the offensive players, he tend to gamble and went out of position, where my thought is that his defensive mentality may make him below average defender.

But you brought up a playmaking wing in relation to Norman Powell already being on the roster as a scoring wing. And that linked video highlights his playmaking ability in real game situations. But since you didn't watch the DraftJunkies Scouting video you wouldn't have seen what he's capable of playmaking wise.

You mentioned nothing about defensive ability. And CJ's defense is very solid but like most college players he needs to improve on his defense to be able to guard effectively on a NBA level. Elleby is highly active with his hands/feet/eyes/ on the defensive end.

Has a high basketball IQ. He has that big dog in his DNA. That being said Elleby can guard 1-4 with no issues and he led the Pac-12 in total steals (56)/steal per game (1.8) as well as leading his team in rebounding (7.8 rpg).

[Indeed]

I disagree. The video is accurate as it shows what you were asking for- playmaking ability. To each his own though. If you have the time to watch a full game video then more power to you as not everyone does. Btw- I saw that game when it originally aired it was a very competitive game.

The video is not accurate in terms of evaluating a player, because some highlights may not give a full picture of the situation.
For example, on defense, I see him being hide behind less offensive players, when he was against the offensive players, he tend to gamble and went out of position, where my thought is that his defensive mentality may make him below average defender.

But you brought up a playmaking wing in relation to Norman Powell already being on the roster as a scoring wing. And that linked video highlights his playmaking ability in real game situations. But since you didn't watch the DraftJunkies Scouting video you wouldn't have seen what he's capable of playmaking wise.

You mentioned nothing about defensive ability. And CJ's defense is very solid but like most college players he needs to improve on his defense to be able to guard effectively on a NBA level. Elleby is highly active with his hands/feet/eyes/ on the defensive end.

Has a high basketball IQ. He has that big dog in his DNA. That being said Elleby can guard 1-4 with no issues and he led the Pac-12 in total steals (56)/steal per game (1.8) as well as leading his team in rebounding (7.8 rpg).

Regarding playmaking, I explained that at the end of the OT, he did not show much playmaking through that full game video.
As for defense, you can see some bigger difference when he was guarding on the perimeter. I also mentioned that he gamble for the steals and went out of position (and you bought up his total steal per game, which is exactly my concern, because he gambled). He is rebounding better particularly with his height being a forward.

Anyway, I will leave this for those who are interested in the full game to understand his ability. As I stated earlier, this game was about his performance against NBA size (Chris Smith with NBA SF height and wingspan), instead of I saw him switching to a smaller guards and shoot over them (DeRozan offense).

[BoyzNTheHood]

He's going back to school, but Marcus Garrett is one to watch in 2021. All heart and hustle. Lockdown defender. He leaves a lot to be desired with his shooting, but that's not his strength at the moment. Focus on his defense because it's incredible.

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[nivisi9]

This draft class is all over the place..most mocks have Reggie Perry in the top 15-22 picks now while KOC/Ringer don't even have him in their top 50..

Same with Daniel Oturu, up into the top 10 in some of the latest mocks while KOC/Ringer have him at 44..

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

But are we gonna get a legit scoring wing at our pick? Im gonna guess no, but who knows..

CJ Elleby could be that legit scoring wing you are looking for prospect...time will tell.

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I don't think we need a scoring wing, I think we need a playmaker at the wing. We have Powell who is a scoring wing already, and we are not starting him over VanVleet or OG for a reason, because we need playmaker rather.

This what I was responding to nothing more, nothing less. The rest is another discussion to be had. Peace

[BoyzNTheHood]

This draft class is all over the place..most mocks have Reggie Perry in the top 15-22 picks now while KOC/Ringer don't even have him in their top 50..

Same with Daniel Oturu, up into the top 10 in some of the latest mocks while KOC/Ringer have him at 44..

People's opinions are changing so often without any scouting options. I will say, if Reggie Perry has ball handling ability that he wasn't able to showcase in college he'll be a massive Bam Adebayo type of steal. But if he is what he showed in college then I can't argue for him over a guy like Tillman.

[Sir-Swish-A-Lot]

This draft class is all over the place..most mocks have Reggie Perry in the top 15-22 picks now while KOC/Ringer don't even have him in their top 50..

Same with Daniel Oturu, up into the top 10 in some of the latest mocks while KOC/Ringer have him at 44..

That's because the talent in this draft is about equal depending on what a draft analyst sees in a certain prospect. From the middle of the first round to the end of the second there is little talent separation in most prospects. I have no doubt that many prospects drafted lower will outplay those drafted ahead of them in this 2020 draft. Even some UDFA may be better than their drafted prospect counterparts ala Terrence Davis III.

Not having a pre draft combine, individual workouts or a Summer League leaves it to an educated guessing game with many prospects. Even at the top of the draft there is no stand out in my mind it's all mostly based on media hype, projection and potential. A lot of these draft analysts are just going with the flow and with what they think they know. We won't know the real until they have to take the court in the NBA and even then it may be 2-3 years before many of these prospects begin to show their true value.

Just looking at the 2019 NBA draft Kevin Porter Jr was the last pick of the first round and he has outplayed many of the prospects drafted ahead of him. The NBA draft is a media hyped agenda pushing machine buyer beware. In the word of Public Enemy- Don't Believe The Hype!!

[Mark_83]

The only scoring wing worth trading up for is Devin Vassell. The other wings with the exception of McDaniels (who isnt worth trading up for) are more spot up shooters than guys who can create their own shots.

Not a good idea to get hung up on scoring wings. Most of the guys likely to be available near our pick are more 3 + D types.

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Would people trade Powell, #28 and #58 for Vassell? Would Orlando do it? Hello Jeff Weltman!

PG Lowry - FVV - McCaw
SG FVV - TD - Thomas
SF OG - Vassell - McCaw
PF Siakam - OG - Boucher
C Gasol - Ibaka - Hernandez/Konate

I like Vassell a lot but I probably wouldn't make that trade. We ideally want to add to the roster rather than subtract from it. Giving up a rotation guy for a rookie seems counterintuitive even if I thought Vassell would be a slightly better player in the long run. 28 + a future pick + Mccaw/Thomas/Boucher maybe.

Also I don't think Orlando does it either. They love long lanky athletes. And Vassell is a Florida guy.

[Mark_83]

What's the point of even talking about CJ Elleby when he's not likely to make it to our pick? Sounds like he will be going first over all based on some of the commentary here.

[Mark_83]

I don't think we need a scoring wing, I think we need a playmaker at the wing.
I have Powell who is a scoring wing already, and we are not starting him over VanVleet or OG for a reason, because we need playmaker rather.

CJ Elleby has that talent in his skill set as well. He is an above average passer with the ability to handle the ball as a point forward. He has a high basketball IQ able to recognize defensive schemes on the move and in the halfcourt. He is able to quickly move the ball up the court in transition, in the paint to cutters/post and around the perimeter with his passing. Plus, CJ is a legit 6'6 barefoot. Powell is 6'3 barefoot. The highlight video below showcases some of CJ's passing, ball handling abilities in case you want to view them for yourself.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Proof of height measurement. Show 6'6 barefoot or any listing of him being 6'7 with shoes.

If you can't you are not allowed to post about any player from the state of Washington or plays for a team that plays in the Pac 12. If you can I will stop commenting this spamming.

I mean this guy joined in April 21 of this year and is likely bored from Covid isolation and is spamming like that famous Lebron hater Henry Rivera, who was arrested for assault.

Plus how good of a playmaker and passer can a guy be averaging more turnovers than assists in both his college seasons? Just put CJ's uncle on ignore. All the video spam causing the page longer to load should be reason enough. lol