gei wrote:Pointgod wrote:gei wrote:
You might want to pay less attention to sensationalized media headlines and actually look at data once in a while. Your assertions here are grossly out of touch with reality.
Italy has a death rate of 580 per million people from COVID, vs 434 in the USA. Meaning Italy has fared about 33% worse than the US has - and this is not a small difference. Yes the US has more people dying from COVID than Italy does at the moment, but the number of deaths in the US will likely continue to trend downward and this gap will not come even close to closing.
When all is said and done, vastly more people per capita have died from COVID in Italy than in the US.
So tell me why we should be looking at the mortality rates only and not the rates in positivity, hospitalization and trend lines over the past few months? Also why are you using a point in time mortality rate and not going by the trend in mortality rate? Tell me what you think the data is trying to say.
The data is clearly saying that the virus has hit places like Italy far worse than the US. Again, 33% harder. If you aren't able to interpret such simple data you may want to steer clear of making opinions like this.
The problem with using death rate at a point in time is that the deaths from covid are a lagging indicator so as cases, infection rates and hospitalization a rise deaths will follow in 2-4 weeks. The way the US is trending they’ll reach over 200000 deaths by November, do you want to come back and have a discussion of who’s been hit harder then? Look at the trends in the charts below. These countries all have higher death rates than the US but the trend in Italy has flattened while the US deaths per capita is slowly rising.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&country=USA~SWE~ITA~ESP~BEL~GBRThe US is also absolutely trending the wrong way in the number of covid cases. I mean it’s not even comparable as other countries have flattened the curve the US is spiking.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/new-covid-cases-per-million?tab=chart&country=ITA~GBR~USA~CAN~SWE~ESPAnd you might claim that it’s due to testing sure, but the US isn’t even number one in tests per capita and Italy isn’t far behind. The US is the only country to see the trend in cases go upward not flatten.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/You can’t look at the full picture of the data and not come away with the conclusion that the US has horribly mismanaged the coronavirus. Italy is trending down or flat cases and deaths and this will continue into the foreseeable. My argument isn’t even that Italy managed the coronavirus well, they did horribly and made poor decisions earlier in the year, but that doesn’t absolve the US of the totally mismanaged response and continuous **** ups. I’m 100% sure if you asked an Italian they wouldn’t want to be in the same situation as the US right now.
