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2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1241 » by RapsFanInOhio » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:44 am

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AkelaLoneWolf wrote:It’s kinda weird we keep working out prospects in the 7-14 range. Keon kuminga giddey sengun just to name a few. Raps must be looking to acquire another pick


I think the Raps are just covering their bases;
Deals come up on draft night that I would imagine would potentially allow them to trade back, trade up, trade out, or add picks.

This is likely due diligence but will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Agreed - although GSW sitting at 7 and 14 plus the Siakam speculation have made me think about this more than I should. A Siakam deal isn't happening before the draft but if there's a guy at 7 that we really like, I can see us pulling the trigger on a deal that night.
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Post#1242 » by SLCceltic » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:10 am

tecumseh18 wrote:
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SLCceltic wrote:Greetings, I am just wondering what it would take to convince the Raps to send us Kyle Lowry via S&t
same division and both organizations are not huge fans of one another. ha. would KL even agree to join the Cs ??

I am a huge fan od KL, always have been and believe he would be a perfect compliment engine to max out the Jays ! a better version of CP3 esp on D and clutch 3pt shooting ....his midrange game is not too far off CP but KL gets to the basket and FT line at higher rate...

is there ANY way he makes it to Boston ??

could Timelord Romeo langford and frp get it done, or would it require Smart ??


Lowry would first want to be there since he’s an UFA. if he’s fine with that then I think it would take Smart mainly because the Cs are a division rival so the asking price would be more. Otherwise we’d be shooting ourselves in the foot.


There's only a few teams where you KNOW the teams and the fanbases would appreciate Kyle, and Celtics are one of them. Simmons and Russillo are certainly now on the Lowry hype train, slotting him at #1 in their 2006 redraft (of course, 2006 was a really weak year. Celtics traded their lottery pick for Bassy f'n Telfair).

So for that reason alone, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Lowry end his career setting up those J-boys if that's what he wants to do. Smart seems like an obvious return, but Kyle wants big money. At least 20 mill. So Cs would have to be willing to pay him that much, and be able to trade at least 16 mill in salary back to the Raps. If you want to stay under the tax, you'd have to trade back the full 20 mill. DON'T say Tristan Thompson. That will not be an option. Moses Brown would be a nice start. Who else?


you talking about Smart plus moses plus 'who else' or you are saying we keep smart and start with Moses and get up to 16 ??

If it means locking up KL at something like 4/80 (3 with player/team option for final year) I'm all in !!
Smart + Moses + another young player (unless its Carsen Edwards) is a bit rich ...esp with potential for Smart revenge games 5x in division a season plus POs in conf. for the next 10-12 yrs !!
smart plus Moses & Carsen ?
or if Smart is left out ....Moses plus a resigned Timelord at a modest 4/40 plus any 2 young players (nesmith paytonP romeo GWilliams YamMadar) or 2 frp picks ??

If I were running things I would give more than Carsen in order to lock up KL @ 4/80 as Jaylen is under contract 3 more yrs at only 25m, Tatum is maxed out 4 more, perfect timeline .....but can't see our Foffice giving up Smart and Brown AND someone like nesmith or PP
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1243 » by Blood Orange » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:34 pm

FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

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Post#1244 » by agkagk » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:09 pm

Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond


Olynyk and some veteran leader with playmaking skills for the bench please.

Boring I know, but we’re in growth mode and should focus on good statesmen types that can help our youngish core flourish.

….I’m thinking maybe Rudy gay. His shot making and ability to create would be a godsend for Flynn and to a lesser extent Trent.
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Post#1245 » by Spida888 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:11 pm

Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond


Out of that list, I'm only considering:
Ball
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
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Post#1246 » by Fast_Feets » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:52 am

Suggs / flynn
Wiggins / gtjr
OG / Watson
Wiseman / Watanabe / I really want Jalen Johnson mid draft @ 14
Birch / Freddie G

Trade pascal for Wiggins + Wiseman +/- 7 or 14 here ( if we can get 7 then grab kuminga or Barnes)
Trade FVV for late draft or future draft considerations + cash (off load any dead weight
Trade boucher for late 2nd and cash considerations ( I want Sandro Mamu.. on this team)

2nd round - Jericho Sims athletic Centre but limited?, JT thor (2nd round best of the bunch I think), Sandro Mamu...

The raptors this coming yera better not still have stanley johnson, rodney hood

Raps are + height in every area, got length and athleticism and switchability. We got 3 pt shooters with wiggins, gtjr, OG, Watanabe (birch corner three) Raps will definately be younger but I think the team will be more dynamic without Pascals back to the basket game. The runnnig game should be fantastic on all fronts here.

Its time for the team to Retool and work on a new group. Wiggins will be the focal point scorer but we got Suggs and OG to pitch in as well.
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Post#1247 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:55 am

Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond

If we could do a Lowry for Oladipo plus assets trade while putting oladipo ona one year contract would you do it.
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Post#1248 » by anotherhomer » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:00 am

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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1249 » by Blood Orange » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:06 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond

If we could do a Lowry for Oladipo plus assets trade while putting oladipo ona one year contract would you do it.


After watching Olapido injure himself after a dunk, unfortunately not.
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Post#1250 » by polo007 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:46 am

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Post#1251 » by PT416 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:12 am

We're gonna do the Siakam trade if Kuminga drops to 7.

Suggs/Flynn
FVV/GTJ
OG/Wiggins/Yuta
Kuminga/Boucher
Noel/Birch/Wiseman

1-2 years of losing + more picks and then playoffs with a deep loaded roster.
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Post#1252 » by RapsFanInOhio » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:09 pm

PT416 wrote:We're gonna do the Siakam trade if Kuminga drops to 7.

Suggs/Flynn
FVV/GTJ
OG/Wiggins/Yuta
Kuminga/Boucher
Noel/Birch/Wiseman

1-2 years of losing + more picks and then playoffs with a deep loaded roster.

I think so too. I actually don’t think that roster is all that worse from the one we ran out last year (if at all) so I don’t think we’re looking at an extended period of losing.

The Siakam deal just makes too much sense if there’s someone we’re comfortable with at 7. I don’t think we’re getting 14 out of it, but if you can add a Suggs and a Bouknight or a Kuminga along with a good player in Wiggins and a prospect in Wiseman, you really have to consider it.
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Post#1253 » by RapsFanInOhio » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:10 pm

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If we operate over the cap and Mobley doesn’t fall, I think he’s a very realistic target for an MLE deal.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1254 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:22 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
AkelaLoneWolf wrote:It’s kinda weird we keep working out prospects in the 7-14 range. Keon kuminga giddey sengun just to name a few. Raps must be looking to acquire another pick


I think the Raps are just covering their bases;
Deals come up on draft night that I would imagine would potentially allow them to trade back, trade up, trade out, or add picks.

This is likely due diligence but will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Agreed - although GSW sitting at 7 and 14 plus the Siakam speculation have made me think about this more than I should. A Siakam deal isn't happening before the draft but if there's a guy at 7 that we really like, I can see us pulling the trigger on a deal that night.


I wonder how much of this GSW rumour is just vapor;
They have a bag of assets and a limited compete window, a enterprising sports reporter looks around the league for a win now player on a team that missed the playoffs and boom.

Wiseman, 7, 14, and Wiggins as ballast + a little more lands you a pretty good piece;
Not that I don't think Siakam is that piece but he is hurt at the moment and the Warriors don't exactly have the best luck as it pertains to injuries lately.
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Post#1255 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:28 pm

Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond


Bear with me through the laughter for a moment.

Buying low on a two year deal for Victor Oladipo is a move I could see us making;
His BORD$ rating for this offseason is around 11m per which strikes me as high but goodness knows we need shooting.
Dipo off the bench in Lou Williams sort of role may suit his body better after recovery.

I would rather roll the dice that Dipo comes back at 60% of what he once was over hoping guys like Dougie and Barton maintain 110% of what they were for likely similar money.

This offseason we need to address the 4/5 and some additional bench shooting.
I think you can do one with the MLE and both with the potential cap space.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1256 » by douggood » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:32 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond


Bear with me through the laughter for a moment.

Buying low on a two year deal for Victor Oladipo is a move I could see us making;
His BORD$ rating for this offseason is around 11m per which strikes me as high but goodness knows we need shooting.
Dipo off the bench in Lou Williams sort of role may suit his body better after recovery.

I would rather roll the dice that Dipo comes back at 60% of what he once was over hoping guys like Dougie and Barton maintain 110% of what they were for likely similar money.

This offseason we need to address the 4/5 and some additional bench shooting.
I think you can do one with the MLE and both with the potential cap space.

i am on board with signing olidipo, but not in a scenario where we draft suggs.

suggs , gt, fvv, flynn. not enough playing time to go around.
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Post#1257 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:41 pm

douggood wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond


Bear with me through the laughter for a moment.

Buying low on a two year deal for Victor Oladipo is a move I could see us making;
His BORD$ rating for this offseason is around 11m per which strikes me as high but goodness knows we need shooting.
Dipo off the bench in Lou Williams sort of role may suit his body better after recovery.

I would rather roll the dice that Dipo comes back at 60% of what he once was over hoping guys like Dougie and Barton maintain 110% of what they were for likely similar money.

This offseason we need to address the 4/5 and some additional bench shooting.
I think you can do one with the MLE and both with the potential cap space.

i am on board with signing olidipo, but not in a scenario where we draft suggs.

suggs , gt, fvv, flynn. not enough playing time to go around.


I completely understand the point;
My thinking is at the three we are fairly light and I could see GTJ playing more minutes there behind OG than relying heavily on Yuta as the primary back-up (especially with Siakam out for the start of the season), then we get 96 minutes to split amongst FVV/Suggs/Flynn/Dipo/

While Flynn looked fine in a bunch of meaningless games down the line, I am still not ready to put him into the rotation with pen quite yet.

If we address the three in free agency than I do agree it gets a little crowded if the bulk of GTJs minutes now come from two.
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Post#1258 » by Raptorfan2012 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:56 pm

douggood wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
Ivan Drago wrote:FA potential targets article:

https://ca.nba.com/news/2021-nba-free-agency-free-agent-targets-for-the-toronto-raptors/1wh3jeemirz1k16ggv0k713xpt

Ball
Oladipo (lol)
Derozon (lol)
Barton
Mcdermott
Noel
Olynyk
Holmes
Allen
Drummond


Bear with me through the laughter for a moment.

Buying low on a two year deal for Victor Oladipo is a move I could see us making;
His BORD$ rating for this offseason is around 11m per which strikes me as high but goodness knows we need shooting.
Dipo off the bench in Lou Williams sort of role may suit his body better after recovery.

I would rather roll the dice that Dipo comes back at 60% of what he once was over hoping guys like Dougie and Barton maintain 110% of what they were for likely similar money.

This offseason we need to address the 4/5 and some additional bench shooting.
I think you can do one with the MLE and both with the potential cap space.

i am on board with signing olidipo, but not in a scenario where we draft suggs.

suggs , gt, fvv, flynn. not enough playing time to go around.


If the Raptors somehow end up getting Mobley, then I can see the Raps turning their attention to finding a backcourt partner for Fred (and I don't think GTjr is that guy yet). If we can buy low on Vic and have him spend some time with our Alex, maybe we can revitalize his career?
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1259 » by douggood » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:57 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
douggood wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
Bear with me through the laughter for a moment.

Buying low on a two year deal for Victor Oladipo is a move I could see us making;
His BORD$ rating for this offseason is around 11m per which strikes me as high but goodness knows we need shooting.
Dipo off the bench in Lou Williams sort of role may suit his body better after recovery.

I would rather roll the dice that Dipo comes back at 60% of what he once was over hoping guys like Dougie and Barton maintain 110% of what they were for likely similar money.

This offseason we need to address the 4/5 and some additional bench shooting.
I think you can do one with the MLE and both with the potential cap space.

i am on board with signing olidipo, but not in a scenario where we draft suggs.

suggs , gt, fvv, flynn. not enough playing time to go around.


I completely understand the point;
My thinking is at the three we are fairly light and I could see GTJ playing more minutes there behind OG than relying heavily on Yuta as the primary back-up (especially with Siakam out for the start of the season), then we get 96 minutes to split amongst FVV/Suggs/Flynn/Dipo/

While Flynn looked fine in a bunch of meaningless games down the line, I am still not ready to put him into the rotation with pen quite yet.

If we address the three in free agency than I do agree it gets a little crowded if the bulk of GTJs minutes now come from two.

olidipo had surgery as well, his time table is mid december-feb, and possibly out all season.

The Oladipo camp is hopeful he could play in a game anywhere between mid-December and early February, but that will remain speculative until he gets on the court. And the Heat isn’t assuming anything.

There is one scenario in which Oladipo would be healthy enough to play next season but might not: If he and his representative don’t like the financial offers. If Oladipo is offered no more than, say, $5 million to play half a season, he might sit out the season, get healthy and seek a deal closer to his market value in July 2022.


remember he turned down a 2 year 45 mil extension, he has sights set on a big payday.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1260 » by WeThe2019Champs » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:27 pm

What are these guys smoking?? :lol: :lol:

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/07/21/nba-rumors-toronto-raptors-philadelphia-76ers-trade-is-focused-on-ben-simmons-to-toronto/

Toronto Raptors Receive:
G/F Ben Simmons

Philadelphia 76ers Receive:
G Fred VanVleet,
G/F Rodney Hood,
C Aron Baynes,
No. 4 pick,
No. 46 pick,
No. 47 pick,
2023 first-round pick
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