Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[mdenny]

I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

You’re telling me I didn’t say what I said? lol foh.

It's possible you contradicted yourself at a later date (once you're new hot-take player agenda was established)...but it only takes 5 minutes to see that before the draft and the day of the draft you said barnes had no star potential and that IF he ever realized his potential he COULD be a 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

[hype_2004]

I don’t know about Pooh but I argued that while Barnes might have a higher ceiling it would be much harder to achieve compared to Suggs due to the nature of their skill set and what’s needed. But that ended up being wrong because Barnes has already showed he’s better than Suggs and that he has the work ethic and skill to become great.

At FSU we just weren’t seeing a lot of it in action. Night of the draft is was panic time but I just gave the front office the benefit and then once the summer league started it became no question he was gonna be a stud, he was showing things we never saw beforehand.

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

[720]

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

I've also said this countless times but even after, the next day of the draft (after all the panicking) I said I'm gonna just root for the guy and see what the front office sees in him. There is not back tracking or gotchas.

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[LoveMyRaps]

Can't believe we have Scottie. So grateful. Superstar in the making babyyyyyyy.

[720]

You are lying. You said Barnes has no superstar potential. Plus you said the best case scenario for barnes was the 3rd or 4th option on a championship team.

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

I've also said this countless times but even after, the next day of the draft (after all the panicking) I said I'm gonna just root for the guy and see what the front office sees in him. There is not back tracking or gotchas.

[Yeezus_]

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

Maybe the lesson is to not have hot takes but you constantly do. I think you're missing out on a good learning opportunity to better yourself.

[hype_2004]

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

I've also said this countless times but even after, the next day of the draft (after all the panicking) I said I'm gonna just root for the guy and see what the front office sees in him. There is not back tracking or gotchas.

What ever you say to make you feel good, people calling you out bro.

[720]

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

Maybe the lesson is to not have hot takes but you constantly do. I think you're missing out on a good learning opportunity to better yourself.

It's not a hot take to voice an opinion on a prospect, they're just opinions in the moment before we see the on court product. lol "better yourself". We're on a forum to discuss all things raptors. Get off your high horse.

These are posts from me that day and the following days hoping that I'm wrong.

"Because it's a drop off in talent level after 4. With that being said I'm rooting for Barnes now and hope he proves everyone wrong."

"Listen, after this evening. I'll have my homer hat on and will be rooting for Barnes. I want to be wrong about this and hopefully in a couple years someone will revive an old thread from today to mock us."

"We go for the defense no offense guy like we always do. Edit: still a little upset but hoping Barnes has success obviously."

"Very excited to watch Barnes. Let's see if we see immediate improvement on that jumper since he apparently changed aspects of his form."

[mdenny]

Would like to see Scottie utilize his handles more against bigs, he seems to be very successful with it in lulling them and then suddenly pushing them out of the way to score at the rim.

He's also using his left-hand more.

The second half of the Spurs' game was super promising.

Nurse spoke after the game about Scotty needing to be more assertive like that. He does kinda disappear for stretches. For which alot of ppl blame other players. But ulitmately...that's something Scotty has to figure out. As other's have noted....his stamina might be a factor in that. It's not like he gets rest on the defensive end like some star players....so it could be a matter of him figuring out where to grab little chunks of rest during game play.

[vulture]

Would like to see Scottie utilize his handles more against bigs, he seems to be very successful with it in lulling them and then suddenly pushing them out of the way to score at the rim.

He's also using his left-hand more.

The second half of the Spurs' game was super promising.

Nurse spoke after the game about Scotty needing to be more assertive like that. He does kinda disappear for stretches. For which alot of ppl blame other players. But ulitmately...that's something Scotty has to figure out. As other's have noted....his stamina might be a factor in that. It's not like he gets rest on the defensive end like some star players....so it could be a matter of him figuring out where to grab little chunks of rest during game play.

His conditioning isn't quite at the level where he can sustain having to play that hard offensively and defensively. It's really hard to do that in the league and that's something where the summer work will be important. Right now he can only do it for a quarter because he's such a big dude and he's banging with people so that will get better with time once his perimeter game develops.

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[mdenny]

lmao I remember him saying something like this and wasn't sure so I didn't want to call him out for it. Dudes be straight lying in here, wild.

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

I've also said this countless times but even after, the next day of the draft (after all the panicking) I said I'm gonna just root for the guy and see what the front office sees in him. There is not back tracking or gotchas.

You're lying about having claimed barnes had a higher ceiling than suggs.

[720]

Call out all these hot take liers, dudes backtracking like as usual.

Lying? About what? I literally said I was wrong about him. You guys are clowns.

I've also said this countless times but even after, the next day of the draft (after all the panicking) I said I'm gonna just root for the guy and see what the front office sees in him. There is not back tracking or gotchas.

You're lying about having claimed barnes had a higher ceiling than suggs.

I didn't lie, here is my old post. Obviously I'm wrong now because like I said earlier Barnes has shown so much improvement but I did make the point. My only problem was at the time it seemed farfetched. I described drafting Barnes as going for the homerun play to highlight the risk and reward.

"I mean, it's the main reason a lot of people were mad yesterday. Suggs is a player that's so well balanced in his game. His ceiling seems to be more attainable BECAUSE of how polished his game is.

With Barnes we sorta have to squint and imagine a hypothetical ceiling based on multiple factors going right for him (better shot, improved dribbling, etc)....

...We got very lucky to jump up to 4 and instead of taking the sure fire thing we went for the homerun play in Barnes. We'll see if the risk works out."

The risk obviously worked out in hindsight.

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I feel like Barnes has been leading that predictor for most of the year.

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[Los_29]

Suggs is already too good of a defender to be a bust.

If you can only defend and you’re drafted 5th then you’re a bust. Luckily for Suggs, time is on his side.

[mdenny]

Suggs is already too good of a defender to be a bust.

If you can only defend and you’re drafted 5th then you’re a bust. Luckily for Suggs, time is on his side.

I don't think he'll be a complete bust.

The most shocking thing for me watching excerpts from his first 5 games....his handle was not even at average level for a point guard. That's one thing the pre-draft hype totally under-estimated.

It's one thing for a rookie PG to have trouble adapting to nba defenses....but this guy could barely dribble the ball in half court offense (relatively speaking). That shouldnt be a deficit for a top 5 draft pick who plays PG.

His defense is as advertised though so i figure he will end up being a solid but average pg at some point.

Man....the woes of this board if we had drafted him tho lol. And it's not even like he would've done better with us. If anything....he would've looked worse.

I'll say it again....that ONE FO decision (to draft scotty) is worth more than 5 other moves (like the thad trade). That will likely be the takeaway from this season from a raps history perspective. Ppl shouldnt revise history and downplay how controversial it was. It was the most shocking pick of the draft.

We should be thankful we hace a FO with the balls to do something like that. Alot of GMs would be worried because in most situations it's woser to default to normality in order to avoid a fireable offense. And that decision WAS in fireable offense territory for most FOs.

It's like they say in baseball....sometimes managers have to do the traditional thing (ie bunting) just to avoid the criticism that comes down when things dont work out. Masai doesnt do that.

[Psubs]

Would like to see Scottie utilize his handles more against bigs, he seems to be very successful with it in lulling them and then suddenly pushing them out of the way to score at the rim.

He's also using his left-hand more.

The second half of the Spurs' game was super promising.

Nurse spoke after the game about Scotty needing to be more assertive like that. He does kinda disappear for stretches. For which alot of ppl blame other players. But ulitmately...that's something Scotty has to figure out. As other's have noted....his stamina might be a factor in that. It's not like he gets rest on the defensive end like some star players....so it could be a matter of him figuring out where to grab little chunks of rest during game play.

He isn't used to playing so many games and so many minutes compared to at FSU.