Chris Bosh Sign and Trade Ideas

[bboyskinnylegs]

What about Bosh and Calderon for VC and Jameer?

No thanks... Jameer is hardly an upgrade over Jack, and his lack of playmaking ability was pretty apparent in these playoffs... so we get an expiring and another mediocre PG on a contract similar to Jose's...VC is a useless expiring... hardly seems worth it.

[MrOrlando]

Hmmm. Orlando would be a good spot for Bosh, would be absolute beast next to Dwight.

How about if Orlando takes back Hedo as well?

Hedo/Bosh for VC/Gortat/ and Bass or JJ

[Chris_ORL]

I just said without meer not because he's amazing, but mostly because:

A) He's dwight's best bud
B) We'd have to get a PG back and if we're getting Bosh, beggers can't be choosers when it's .5 on the dollar because we have nobody to fill that spot.

Bosh is absolutely worth anyone on the team but dwight, and I agree with that premise 100%.


As for Hedo & Bosh, I'm down - but Turk's deal is too much for a team already so far over the cap, and would you guys really take Vince back? I just don't think we could work 4 max to near max guys, plus a few well paid role players.

[RocLaFamilia]

I just said without meer not because he's amazing, but mostly because:

A) He's dwight's best bud
B) We'd have to get a PG back and if we're getting Bosh, beggers can't be choosers when it's .5 on the dollar because we have nobody to fill that spot.

Bosh is absolutely worth anyone on the team but dwight, and I agree with that premise 100%.


As for Hedo & Bosh, I'm down - but Turk's deal is too much for a team already so far over the cap, and would you guys really take Vince back? I just don't think we could work 4 max to near max guys, plus a few well paid role players.

How about then:

Bosh + Hedo + Calderon + Beli

for

Gortat + Lewis + Vince + Nelson

[D-31]

I'll put this in here too:
Vince/Bass/Gortat/Pietrus/Picks for Bosh/Turk/Calderon

Magic get better playmakers in Calderon/Hedo. One of the best PFs in Bosh and can revert back to their finals lineup if they want to go small.

Toronto does this because they have Gortat as a legit center. They can play Bargnani at a more natural PF position. Great backup PF in Bass. Get better defensively. Get rid of two bad contracts Raptors signed in Hedo and Calderon for Vince's expiring. Get tougher And have around 25 million+ to spend in 2011 offseason that includes some great players like Tim Ducan, Tony Parker, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Tayshaun Prince, Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Caron Butler, Joakim Noah, plus anyone this year that doesn't decide to opt out.

Bosh would have to demand a sign and trade of course.

[RapsGM]

I'll put this in here too:
Vince/Bass/Gortat/Pietrus/Picks for Bosh/Turk/Calderon

Magic get better playmakers in Calderon/Hedo. One of the best PFs in Bosh and can revert back to their finals lineup if they want to go small.

Toronto does this because they have Gortat as a legit center. They can play Bargnani at a more natural PF position. Great backup PF in Bass. Get better defensively. Get rid of two bad contracts Raptors signed in Hedo and Calderon for Vince's expiring. Get tougher And have around 25 million+ to spend in 2011 offseason that includes some great players like Tim Ducan, Tony Parker, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Tayshaun Prince, Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Caron Butler, Joakim Noah, plus anyone this year that doesn't decide to opt out.

Bosh would have to demand a sign and trade of course.

that would be awesome.

[MrOrlando]

I'll put this in here too:
Vince/Bass/Gortat/Pietrus/Picks for Bosh/Turk/Calderon

Magic get better playmakers in Calderon/Hedo. One of the best PFs in Bosh and can revert back to their finals lineup if they want to go small.

Toronto does this because they have Gortat as a legit center. They can play Bargnani at a more natural PF position. Great backup PF in Bass. Get better defensively. Get rid of two bad contracts Raptors signed in Hedo and Calderon for Vince's expiring. Get tougher And have around 25 million+ to spend in 2011 offseason that includes some great players like Tim Ducan, Tony Parker, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Tayshaun Prince, Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Caron Butler, Joakim Noah, plus anyone this year that doesn't decide to opt out.

Bosh would have to demand a sign and trade of course.

Sounds awesome, but leave out either Bass or Pietrus, and you got a deal

[bboyskinnylegs]

I'll put this in here too:
Vince/Bass/Gortat/Pietrus/Picks for Bosh/Turk/Calderon

Magic get better playmakers in Calderon/Hedo. One of the best PFs in Bosh and can revert back to their finals lineup if they want to go small.

Toronto does this because they have Gortat as a legit center. They can play Bargnani at a more natural PF position. Great backup PF in Bass. Get better defensively. Get rid of two bad contracts Raptors signed in Hedo and Calderon for Vince's expiring. Get tougher And have around 25 million+ to spend in 2011 offseason that includes some great players like Tim Ducan, Tony Parker, Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Tayshaun Prince, Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Caron Butler, Joakim Noah, plus anyone this year that doesn't decide to opt out.

Bosh would have to demand a sign and trade of course.

Sounds awesome, but leave out either Bass or Pietrus, and you got a deal

Keep Bass, we don't need him.

[SabasRevenge!]

I know Portland/Toronto deals for Bosh have been talked to death, but here's another one:

Bosh 17.15
Turkoglu 9.80
Jack 4.80
Weems .74


Aldridge 5.84/13.00 (BYC)
Przybilla 7.41 (exp)
Miller 7.27 (TO)
Webster 4.80 ( 2 years/3rd ung)
Fernandez 1.25

The money works with Aldridge's BYC.

Why for Toronto?

The Raps get a valuable asset in Aldridge while shedding the contracts of Turkoglu and Jack. Miller and Przybilla are both expiring (TO on Miller) and Webster has two more years (year three unguaranteed) and had some very solid defensive and offensive efforts as a starter and off the bench last year. Fernandez needs a change of scenery and joining countryman Calderon could be good for both of them. Przybilla can come back and be a tough, defensive, true C next to Bargnani or Aldridge. Miller is a tough, attacking PG that the Raps have missed since Ford, only Miller's quite a bit bigger.

A three way trade may also be tempting for TOR as they could move Aldridge to a third team if they feel that he and Bargnani are too similar. If I'm not mistaken, Aldridge's BYC status is cleared after one trade, removing that restriction for a future trade.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I know Portland/Toronto deals for Bosh have been talked to death, but here's another one:

Bosh 17.15
Turkoglu 9.80
Jack 4.80
Weems .74


Aldridge 5.84/13.00 (BYC)
Przybilla 7.41 (exp)
Miller 7.27 (TO)
Webster 4.80 ( 2 years/3rd ung)
Fernandez 1.25

The money works with Aldridge's BYC.

Why for Toronto?

The Raps get a valuable asset in Aldridge while shedding the contracts of Turkoglu and Jack. Miller and Przybilla are both expiring (TO on Miller) and Webster has two more years (year three unguaranteed) and had some very solid defensive and offensive efforts as a starter and off the bench last year. Fernandez needs a change of scenery and joining countryman Calderon could be good for both of them. Przybilla can come back and be a tough, defensive, true C next to Bargnani or Aldridge. Miller is a tough, attacking PG that the Raps have missed since Ford, only Miller's quite a bit bigger.

A three way trade may also be tempting for TOR as they could move Aldridge to a third team if they feel that he and Bargnani are too similar. If I'm not mistaken, Aldridge's BYC status is cleared after one trade, removing that restriction for a future trade.

Wouldn't Portland taking Jack back be an admission of a huge mistake on their part? Anyways, I don't like this deal at all, we want rebuilding assets... all we get here is a reshuffle of some big contracts. Aldridge, as you pointed out, doesn't fit with Bargs. We don't want Webster. Jack's contract is better. Pryz is simply an expiring, and Fernandez does very little for us. That package is not making us a better team, doesn't help us build for the future... all in all, we end up just about as mediocre as we are now. So.... we pass. If Portland wants Bosh, young talent is going to have to be involved... and we know how high you guys are on your young talent... so I don't think a deal is happening.

[SabasRevenge!]

Wouldn't Portland taking Jack back be an admission of a huge mistake on their part? Anyways, I don't like this deal at all, we want rebuilding assets... all we get here is a reshuffle of some big contracts. Aldridge, as you pointed out, doesn't fit with Bargs. We don't want Webster. Jack's contract is better. Pryz is simply an expiring, and Fernandez does very little for us. That package is not making us a better team, doesn't help us build for the future... all in all, we end up just about as mediocre as we are now. So.... we pass. If Portland wants Bosh, young talent is going to have to be involved... and we know how high you guys are on your young talent... so I don't think a deal is happening.

I don't think trading Jack was a mistake at the time. He's grown into a better player, though he still has the same weaknesses in his game.

As far as reshuffling large contracts, wouldn't you rather have Aldridge than Turkoglu? A three team trade with Aldridge going to a third team could fetch TOR some nice assets as well. Turkoglu has overwhelmingly negative value due to his contract while Aldridge could be a tremendous young piece for many teams. Any young-ish squad (like NJ or CHI) would be a great match for him.

Jack's contract is actually not better than Webster's. Webs final year is not guaranteed, making it a year shorter and less money.

I would think that Toronto would be happy getting something positive for Bosh rather than nothing at all and getting out from under Hedo is a huge plus. Miller and Przybilla are essentially expiring contracts for Bosh along with Webster's two year contract, and Aldridge/Fernandez for Turkoglu is a pretty damn good return on a toxic asset.

[Mongoose]

Bulls trade:
Hinrich, Deng, Gibson or Johnson, Charlotte pick, 2010 pick or Asik

Raptors trade:
Bosh, Turkoglu

Bulls get Bosh and take Hedo off the Raptors' hands in exchange for the extra cap space.

Raptors get some young talent, Deng to upgrade from Hedo, and Hinrich. Defense should be vastly better, as all those players save Johnson are good on-the-ball defenders, and Johnson mainly just fouls too much.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Bulls trade:
Hinrich, Deng, Gibson or Johnson, Charlotte pick, 2010 pick or Asik

Raptors trade:
Bosh, Turkoglu

Bulls get Bosh and take Hedo off the Raptors' hands in exchange for the extra cap space.

Raptors get some young talent, Deng to upgrade from Hedo, and Hinrich. Defense should be vastly better, as all those players save Johnson are good on-the-ball defenders, and Johnson mainly just fouls too much.

This deal opens up an additional 12 million in capspace for the Bulls (giving you the ability to sign your two max FA's at 17 million each, or whatever else you want to do), so if you're not giving us Noah, we would need the Bobcats pick, 2010 pick, and Asik coming back.

[RocLaFamilia]

TOR GETS: #2 overall pick, Elton Brand, Iggy, Samuel Dalembert,
ORL GETS: Bosh, Jose, Turk, Beli
PHILLY GETS: 1st round pick (ORL), Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson, Vince

[Mongoose]

Why would the Sixers do that trade? They ditch two smaller bad contracts for two bigger bad contracts, and they trade away their biggest star and the #2 pick they could use to replace said star on a rookie contract. No high pick, no cap space relief, no way they'd agree to that.

[bballsparkin]

^^It's horrible for Philly. Haha, give up the second pick for that, ouch.

[Janraj]

I think the Sixers get a better deal here:

Sixers send out Brand, Dalembert, #2 pick, louis williams and receive Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon

Sixers do this trade because they get to dump Brand who is making a ton of cash until the 12-13 season.(this is the only down part for the raptors, but we gain so much by taking this contract that it would be worth it. Brand off the bench might actually make him effective) This is the same reason why they would have to part with Dalembert who becomes a $12 million dollar expiring contract. Louis williams is owed money for a few years and they have too many guards. They can use Jose at the point off the bench to hit their athletic players with passes all night or just trade him after he lands. The main reason Sixers do this is they can take Chris Bosh and trade him to any team they want and could do trades with Lakers (bynum), New York (young players in return), New Jersey (Young players) to rebuild.

Toronto Line Up

Jack/Williams
#2 pick (Turner)/Weems
Derozan/ /Belli
Bargnani/Brand
Dalembert/Amir Johnson (resigned)

We would also have our #13 pick to draft a slashing 3 or a project big man. We would also have the Evans/Banks expiring that could net us a $10 million dollar player. We could also trade Dalembert because he will be a $12 million dollar expiring. Finally we also have what we get for hedo. Hopefully something.

We go out and sign Van Gundy to a 4 year contract and let him bring up DD, Turner, Weems, Bargs, Amir, Williams, and our 13th pick as our young core that could build chemistry defensively and turn heads in a few years. The first couple of years we wont make playoffs, and therefore we would add another 2 top ten players from the drafts and off to the races ladies and gentlemen.

[WhatsaTDot]

TOR GETS: #2 overall pick, Elton Brand, Iggy, Samuel Dalembert,
ORL GETS: Bosh, Jose, Turk, Beli
PHILLY GETS: 1st round pick (ORL), Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson, Vince

[Mongoose]

I think the Sixers get a better deal here:

Sixers send out Brand, Dalembert, #2 pick, louis williams and receive Chris Bosh and Jose Calderon

Iffy whether the Sixers are even allowed to trade Bosh after the sign-and-trade if he doesn't want to be there. If you read the CBA literally, they'll have to wait until December, so all the teams with cap space are off the table and the trades get much harder.

Besides, there's no way Bosh would greenlight that trade unless he wants to be in Philly. He loses all his power when he signs, so he'd simply not sign if the trade is to a team he doesn't like. Can't trade Bosh without his consent anymore, cuz he's not under contract.

[dballer21]

not sure if this was said already....if we draft a PG...we could package Jose and Bosh and ship them out for a Big (Bynum or someone else)
gets rid of jose's ugly contract, we get a big that we are in dire need of, and we get a younge pg who can play better defense than Jose !!