Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 3

[JamesNaismith]

I hope you guys are right

[gojoorange]

I hope you guys are right

Me and you both.

[ballislife]

This road trips going to destroy us. It'll be hard to come back from that with this condensed schedule.

[SkywalkerAC]

have i mentioned that Barnes would fit this team nicely?

[Myth111]

Games today:

Mississippi at Auburn is on PeachtreeTV at 1:30.
Oklahoma State at Baylor is on TSN2 at 3:00.
Oregon at Arizona is on CBS at 3:30.
Georgia at Vanderbilt is on PeachtreeTV at 4:00.

[CunningLinguist]

Teague and Jones stock has gone down while at Kentucky. Wiljter has no stock to speak of anymore. You are giving Cal way too much credit. Gilchrist was the consensus #1 player in his class before Davis blew up.

Teague, Jones and Wiljter are not special players. They're NBA role players at best.

I think you're righting off Teague way too early

[gerrit4]

I hope you guys are right

I hate the idea of wishing the team to lose (I'm not, really), but I think it's inevitable.

I think the dream scenario is that the team has the worst record in the league for the first 50 games and then during the last 16, really starts to turn a corner. Too late for a record better than in the worst 5 teams in the league, but promising.

Realistically though, I think this team will get worse as the season goes on. There is just no depth, and two many holes in the roster. Right now they're a little better than everyone thinks, and can take advantage sometimes. The reality is though, if a team ever really wants to beat the raptors, they just need to start putting pressure on the ball - this team is incredibly weak when there's a full court press, or or when the bigs have double teams swiping at the ball - and play a zone defense. The shooting is too weak on this team to be able to beat a zone.

I think teams are hesitant to play to much pressure on the raptors because it's a style of defense that doesn't work as well against the other teams in the league - the other teams right now feel confident enough to beat them while getting practice in covering the other teams. It reminds me of how a couple years ago, the raptors used to always be able to come back and beat teams like the Bulls by playing the "Protect the House" zone defense that forced teams to shoot open 3 point shots - not a great defense by any stretch but against a team with horrible 3pt shooting it was very effective in the 4th quarter against tired legs.

[God Squad]

Leonard would not be as bad a fit as it seems, I think he can play PF in the NBA and he's one of the few guys in the draft with perenniel all-star upside/talent. I consider taking Leonard as high as 2nd in the draft (w/ Anthony Davis as the #1 selection)

Good thing your not a GM

[God Squad]

I made this post in the draft forum

What I think the GM consensus big board will be by draft day:

1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard

4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
6. SF Harrison Barnes
7. C John Henson
8. SG Jeremy Lamb
9. SF/PF Perry Jones III
10. PF Jared Sullinger

11. SG Bradley Beal
12. PG Kendall Marshall
13. PF/C Tyler Zeller
14. SG Terrence Ross

Team personalized big boards. I believe Ford when he says most teams use the split into tiers, then draft for need within those tiers strategy. Therefore:

Washington:
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. PF Jared Sullinger
6. PF Perry Jones III
7. SG Jeremy Lamb
8. PF/C John Henson
9. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
10. SF Harrison Barnes

Assumes Washington is looking for a post Blatche PF first and SG not far behind. Henson is weak fit with McGee. Future SF is Vesely still so not a ton of interest in MKG or Barnes unless considered clear BPA

Toronto:
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. SF Harrison Barnes
6. SG/SF Jeremy Lamb
7. PF Perry Jones III
8. PF Jared Sullinger
9. PF Thomas Robinson
10. PF/C John Henson

SF is biggest need, PF/C is smallest.

Sacramento:
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. PF/C John Henson
6. SF Harrison Barnes
7. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
8. SG Jeremy Lamb
9. PF/C Perry Jones III
10. PF Jared Sullinger

Sac could use a defense and rebounding dirty work PF, followed by SF, SG and a defenseless big last.

New Jersey Nets
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. SF Harrison Barnes
6. PF Thomas Robinson
7. PF/C John Henson
8. SF/PF Perry Jones III
9. SG Jeremy Lamb
10. PF Jared Sullinger

The Nets would love to pick up one of those SFs. A young defensively significant big man is the next best option.

New Orleans Hornets

1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5. SF Harrison Barnes
6. PF/C Thomas Robinson
7. PF/C John Henson
8. SF/PF Perry Jones III
9. PF Jared Sullinger
10. SG Jeremy Lamb

The two SFs are high on my Hornets list because of the liklihood of a handful of good and roughly equal PF/C prospects being available with their second pick. Thus a smart move is drafting one of the SFs with the higher pick. If one of their picks is top 3 then again, they take SF ahead of the other tier 2 bigs

Detroit Pistons
1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. PF Thomas Robinson
5. PF/C John Henson
6. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
7. SF Harrison Barnes
8. PF Jared Sullinger
9. SG Jeremy Lamb
9. PF Jared Sullinger
10. SF/PF Perry Jones III

The Pistons would love a Robinson or Henson to be the defensive big beside Monroe. The SFs, Lamb, Sullinger are also solid fits. The Pistons will likely not have to worry about fit being a problem with this draft pick.

Charlotte Bobcats

1. PF/C Andre Drummond
2. PF/C Anthony Davis
3. PF/C Meyers Leonard
4. SF Harrison Barnes
5. SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
6. PF Thomas Robinson
7. PF Jared Sullinger
8. SF/PF Perry Jones III
9. SG Jeremy Lamb
10. PF/C John Henson

The Bobcats are another team where fit is likely to not be a problem with lots of SFs and PFs to choose from. They likely look for the perimeter go to guy and big name college players they love in Barnes or MKG first before the PFs and Henson is the weak fit of the 10 with Biyombo there.

I would say MKG or Barnes between 4 and 6 is the most likely scenario.

Outside of your top 2 (and that's going to be debateable by the time the draft rolls around) your entire GM big board is FUBAR.

Come on dude, you can do better than that.

I wasn't sure if he was being serious. IMO i think the 3rd pick will easily be Perry or Barnes. I see Leonard in the 8-14 range.

[God Squad]

Teague and Jones stock has gone down while at Kentucky. Wiljter has no stock to speak of anymore. You are giving Cal way too much credit. Gilchrist was the consensus #1 player in his class before Davis blew up.

IMO Davis was the consensus. With Drummond second once he decided to go to UCONN. Davis had people talking about about a Kevin Garnet type of prospect. Pg in High-school, grew several inches over the summer. Transformed into a PF/C. In all fairness Tjones stock was falling last year. So no one can really be surprised. He has many motor and motivation issues. Teague hasn't played well at all really. He's coming along but still. He'll get drafted on potential alone.

[God Squad]

Gotta be Quincy Miller. Can handle the ball, shoot it and slash inside and we need an SF. I can't see a clearer fit than him on the board. I think MKG's draft position will surprise a lot of people. I don't think he goes in the Top 7.

Anyways, the only way I won't take Quincy is if Drummond or Davis is on the board.

IMO You'll see MKG in top 7 before Miller. I like them both. But ATM I'd take MKG based on what he's PROVEN this year and the fact that Miller has red flags on his acl. I think Miller should return for a second year.

[nahom1319]

Drummond needs a heart transplant.... seriously his motor is killing me

[nahom1319]

Drummond would be a HUGE project but I think its the right choice.

[Brinbe]

Kentucky-Tennessee currently in a tight one. Should be good to see how some of these guys react.

[Steely Reserve]

MKG is the best player in this draft... by a rather significant margin. He imposes his will in so many ways while not relying on his physical traits. Davis is a good prospect but he will he swarmed in the NBA.

[Brinbe]

Oh god, MKG... don't scare me like that

[Steely Reserve]

Who wouldn't want a 6'7 230 lb small forward who cam rebound and push the way MKG does?

[Brinbe]

MKG from deeep... We need this guy.

[CunningLinguist]

MKG is the best player in this draft... by a rather significant margin. He imposes his will in so many ways while not relying on his physical traits. Davis is a good prospect but he will he swarmed in the NBA.

MKG is not the best prospect in this draft. He's not even close.

[Crazy-Canuck]

For me, Davis is the only guy I take over MKG right now. However things will likely change once the madness begins.