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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

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Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?

Anthony Davis
51
32%
Harrison Barnes
38
24%
Andre Drummond
6
4%
Perry Jones
3
2%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
19
12%
Quincy Miller
5
3%
Jeremy Lamb
22
14%
Austin Rivers
4
3%
Bradley Beal
10
6%
Other
2
1%
 
Total votes: 160

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1261 » by Undefeated » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:21 pm

ty123 wrote:Even if you play him tight he's not going to get by with that upright drive and crappy handles.

In a race I think Barnes would dribble it off his foot.


I'm sorry, but anyone that has been watching Barnes this year knows that he isn't upright when he drives to the basket. He's also very good at protecting the ball when dribbling in heavy traffic. Watch the highlight video I posted earlier of Barnes against Virginia Tech, you'll see how his back is low like it's almost horizontal to the floor and knees bent when turning the corner off the screen-and-roll. He's very quick turning the corner. Notice how he places his body between the ball and the defender, so that the defender can't reach in for the steal or else it'd be a foul. Yo-yo dribbles are useless without a plan to attack. Barnes makes effective uses of his dribbles, knows when to pick up his dribble and when not to, and seems to have good decision-making of his drives, and that's all that's needed from him.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1262 » by Reignman » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:44 pm

sunny wrote:
Reignman wrote:
sunny wrote:its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.


What's silly? Barnes is a pure shooter, they don't come around very often. I think it's an extremely important trait for a perimeter player.

Now if you have Barnes and MKG ranked fairly closely like I do then something like a pure jumpshot can be the difference.

It's not close to disrespectful to have Barnes as 1a and MKG as 1b. Both are excellent prospects with different strengths. I just think Barnes has that one thing that really stands out for me, his jumper.


Its silly because it is only one component (and somewhat small) of a players offensive game. Yet it is viewed on here for many posters as being a representation of their complete offensive game. Look at the quality and disparity between nba players and I don't think you will find shooting technique has a huge factor.


The jumper shouldn't be taken as a representation of their complete offensive game, I can definitely agree with that; however, Barnes has more to his offense than just shooting standstill jumpers, I'm sure you could agree with that.

Now everyone knows Barnes' main weakness is going to be in ISO situations. Out of the gates he's not going to be a guy where you give him the ball and clear out his side. But, he has enough in his arsenal to be an big component of your offense and his jumper is going to be the meat/potatoes of his offense.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1263 » by sunny » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Reignman wrote:
The jumper shouldn't be taken as a representation of their complete offensive game, I can definitely agree with that; however, Barnes has more to his offense than just shooting standstill jumpers, I'm sure you could agree with that.

Now everyone knows Barnes' main weakness is going to be in ISO situations. Out of the gates he's not going to be a guy where you give him the ball and clear out his side. But, he has enough in his arsenal to be an big component of your offense and his jumper is going to be the meat/potatoes of his offense.


I wasn't passing judgement on Barnes.
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Post#1264 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:23 pm

MKG.....


DraftExpress.com rates Kidd-Gilchrist the No. 3 prospect available for the next NBA draft. Chad Ford, who analyzes and rates pro prospects for ESPN, rates Kidd-Gilchrist No. 4 overall. NBAdraft.net has him slotted the lowest of any major site at No. 11. If any of those three are true, he’d be a millionaire several times over in just a few months.

That’s why it was so strange for Kidd-Gilchrist to tell reporters after Saturday’s game: “I’m graduating here. I’m not going anywhere. I’m staying at Kentucky.”

When those around him laughed, he added, “I’m dead serious. I don’t know why y’all laughing.”


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1265 » by raptor21_85 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:24 pm

raptor21_85 Enrique N. Vilela
@MattDevlinRaps Hi Matt, Im a Raptors fan from Peru, who do you think Raps should pick in this draft? Kidd-Gilchrist or Barnes? or another?


MattDevlinRaps Matt Devlin
@ @raptor21_85 I think its a race for Anthony Davis from Kentucky.


Does this confirm we'll keep on tankin?
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1266 » by [SJJ] » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:28 pm

raptor21_85 wrote:
raptor21_85 Enrique N. Vilela
@MattDevlinRaps Hi Matt, Im a Raptors fan from Peru, who do you think Raps should pick in this draft? Kidd-Gilchrist or Barnes? or another?


MattDevlinRaps Matt Devlin
@ @raptor21_85 I think its a race for Anthony Davis from Kentucky.


Does this confirm we'll keep on tankin?


I think BC has made it pretty clear that we're tanking still. At the end of the day though it's always been a race for Anthony Davis, doesn't mean we're the team getting him though.

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1267 » by PowerPhil15 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:29 pm

Kidd-Gilchrist Intends To Stay At Kentucky Beyond This Season
Feb 28, 2012 10:21 AM EST


Michael Kidd-Gilchrist said that he plans to stay at Kentucky beyond this season.

"I'm graduating here. I'm not going nowhere," Kidd-Gilchrist said after Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. "I'm staying at Kentucky."

When those around him chuckled, Kidd-Gilchrist added: "I'm dead serious. I don't know why y'all laughing."

Kidd-Gilchrist will have to convince John Calipari that he should stay.

“He’s got to come up with some reasons he’s coming back and convince me,” Calipari said. “Here’s why: What if he got hurt and I’m out there convincing him to come back? What if that happened? Or something happened to him that all of the sudden really hurt him and his draft-ability and his future?

“It’s hard to live with yourself, unless you’re just trying to win five more games or ‘How many games can I win before I retire?’ This is about these young people.”

Calipari said that former one-and-done stars like John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins and Eric Bledsoe often say to him, “Man, I wish I could have stayed three or four years.

“But there’s opportunities that arise. Just like Bill Gates, when he said, ‘You know what? I’m done with school; I’m going to chase my dreams’ and in his case, change the world. Steve Jobs did the same thing; left school and went out and changed the world.

“You have opportunities. You’ve got to look at them and figure out what’s right.”

Via Louisville Courier-Journal


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1268 » by miruss2001 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:43 pm

Let me paraphrase MGK and Calipari:

MKG: "I'm getting a ton of tail at UK!"
Calipari: "You'll get more when you're rich."
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1269 » by raptor21_85 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:52 pm

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1270 » by fredericklove » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:35 pm

Waylon Mercy wrote:\

Since you and me started "debating" over Barnes plenty of other posters agreed with me
on Barnes one even called you a Banres fan boy. I don't care if people interject to talk
ball but when they interject to $hit disturb then I got a problem with that.

When Barnes came out of college he was supposed to be the next big thing a sure fire
1st overall pick now he goes anywhere from 3-8 and is compared to Luol Deng.

There are times he looks like that sure fire stud then their are times you scratch your head
and wonder if he'll just be a role player...

If you dissect his skillset nothing seems to be elite....

Believe me I ain't the only one Pessimistic about Barnes if that makes me heel to the
Barnes fan club so be it.


I still don't know what you're smoking atm but you still claim having objective unbiased view of prospects but right now you're going all over the place in our argument, we're not even discussing on him coming into the season as this hyped whoever or that, stick to our "disappearing" act topic, especially when I said he does other things to impact the game when he's shooting cold, but you just unbiased yourself there and randomly putting MKG's strength as comparison, you're using a superior traits of other prospects to slam at Barnes but that shouldn't even be the focal of any point because I remain in specifics on Barnes still doing many things when he's not shooting well, that's my point, is Barnes still not playing hard-nose defense, not putting the ball on the floor, not drawing for contacts and not crashing the board aggressively to replace his poor shooting slumps?

It seems to be your argument can go beyond in irrational format, throwing out your so called objective view of prospects but to do so that involves attacking on poster's personal issue, that's just being personal bias imo. If calling posters a "barnes lover" and age thing are your specialty to bringing a poster down, hey, that's fine with me, keep playing that inherited bias card, you're good at it :roll:
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1271 » by Reignman » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:39 pm

Don't sweat it, he's trying to be the Raps board version of Steely Reserve. We clowned that guy out of here quick, I see the same thing happening here.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1272 » by fredericklove » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:52 pm

Waylon Mercy wrote:
Reignman wrote:Read the last few pages. How the hell is someone concerned about Barnes dissappearing and then goes on to pimp Drummond? LOL.

Drummond's go-to move this season has been the "dissappearing act".

Jokes, it would be nice if there was some consistency when assessing players but there's always 1 or 2 posters that come in about watching every game, etc and then completely crap the bed when it comes to analysis.


Another Barnes lover getting their panties wet about some criticism directed towards their
boy lol

lol I pimped Drummond? You said hes gonna be a bust and I dismissed that notion. I might
have concerns about Barnes and worry that he could bust but I would never go out and
say that.

As for Drummond there is a reason why Barnes has not surpassed Drummond in any mock draft
whether it be nbadraft.net, draftexpress, espn, yahoo, etc all year...

6'10/6'11 250-270 athletic freak centers don't grow on trees....

Unlike Barnes Drummond is a freshman and has been on a dysfunctional team all year with
a coach thats missed a bunch of games amd plays with a selfish PG.

"Jokes, it would be nice if there was some consistency when assessing players but there's always 1 or 2 posters that come in about watching every game, etc and then completely crap the bed when it comes to analysis."

I swear your talking about yourself right now... Hell you treat Drummond like trash in 2 posts
and offer no analysis as to why then go calling out other peoples anaylsis? That hilarious.

Ya I'll listnen to random Internet message board guy over NBA Scouts and respected draft sites
that list Drummond ahead of Barnes :roll:


Reignman is right on point about Drummond, for a guy like Drummond who's not raw, rather a highly advanced player should not have any excuses. I'm not even going to call him raw because he's technically advanced offensively, if he's being raw then I can say its hindering his ability in the game. But it's his lack of passion that ones have to concern about, a big man is different from wing players whereas big men have better controls of things since they are the ones that control the paint, big men have a bigger shot at changing the game than the wing players imo. He has overpowering size and strength at a freshman level, that is an advantage. Try to do different ways to score since big men are the ones that CAN do that, try to out rebound and be a dominate factor in the paint. For a guy with his strength and athleticism, there's absolutely no way he should not take this as advantage. But instead, he is disappearing to the worst level as possible.

Did I just bud in your convo with others? Wow, I'm really sorry dude.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1273 » by fredericklove » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:01 pm

Reignman wrote:Don't sweat it, he's trying to be the Raps board version of Steely Reserve. We clowned that guy out of here quick, I see the same thing happening here.


Ah good old Steely, I wouldn't say waylon's that version but he's no better, Steely is the poster I can call the ultimate epitome of fandom. His fandom of PJ3 is on epic display I remember his passion for PJ3 is beyond any level. His ultimate lack of both judgment and rational view is the real evident case of someone that's overly attachment to players, now we are ones thats being accused similarly to that.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1274 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:03 pm

How is Drummond not raw? His skill level consists of basically right hand dunk and left hand dunk. Drummond is to raw as Scarlett Johannsen is to hot
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1275 » by sunny » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:07 pm

Arizona is on the bubble. I am very nervous.
They need atleast two more wins to be a near lock.

I hate when we aren't elite.
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Post#1276 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:09 pm

^^ So is gabe york THAT GUY or not next yr???
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Post#1277 » by sunny » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:17 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:^^ So is gabe york THAT GUY or not next yr???


Gabe York is a phenomenal scorer and will have a great college career. However, I don't imagine he will play that big of a role next year. In addition to York, Arizona is bringing in three top 10 recruits. Moreover, infront of York is Nick Johnson, someone who is more talented and a sophomore.

Arizona will likely be a top 5 team next year with a lineup of:

Josiah Turner / Jordin Mayes
Nick Johnson / Kevin Parrom / Gabe York / Amedeo Della Valle (likely)
Solomon Hill / Kevin Parrom / Brandon Ashley
Bradon Ashley / Grant Jerrett / Angelo Chol
Kaleb Tarczeski / Grant Jerett /
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Post#1278 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:24 pm

^^ His highlite package makes him seem like he has lead guard potential. He should of went to a school that would've featured him a lot more. Right now u got him as 3rd string sg.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1279 » by fredericklove » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:34 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:How is Drummond not raw? His skill level consists of basically right hand dunk and left hand dunk. Drummond is to raw as Scarlett Johannsen is to hot



Usually when a guy with rare combination of strength, skill and size, you should excel easily but he rarely use it to his advantage, his length and strength can allow him to do whatever he wants, he is not entirely raw, he has the size and the strength to dominate. One, his physical advantage is the thing that shouldn't deem him raw, he has those rare physical combination and should excel at that in face-up situations (drop step to the lane and jump hook or go up strong etc) but he doesn't like contact that's what smh, a big man who's afraid of contact.

Dunking is part of his game but he has ability to score in low post, his strength dominance is clearly visible, positioning should be easy for him, gather yourself in the post to jump hook or perform up and under or shot fakes to shake off defenders, he's got all the tools to do that, he just doesn't do them. I can give him reasons for not doing all those cos its a freshman season, but some of the basics (not offensively) such as box out and setting solid pick and pop, pick and roll, he doesn't do them.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1280 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:38 pm

Drummond has a little too much Chris Taft in him for my liking.

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