With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[Los_29]

MU nailed it so far. Barnes looks good, Suggs looks awful. Mobley looks great and that's the guy he wanted to trade up for.

cam thomas was a steal

What are your sources that say we tried to trade up to get Mobley?

I've seen it mentioned on here but there have been no credible sources that have said this.

[HumbleRen]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

It's not like nobody noticed Odom's rare blend of size, handles and playmaking back then. He had all the talent in the world, but you're not going to be a top-15 player in any era without mental toughness and a serious work ethic - and he didn't have those.

For sure. Ignoring his off the court issues, etc etc, I'm just strictly saying his skillset would of shined in this era.

[God Squad]

Watching Scottie reminds me of how T-Mac looked in his rookie seasons before he really broke out. You can just tell he is a rising star and it's just a matter of time before he develops into something really special.

His court instincts, his handles, his defence, his ability to score around the rim, his willingness to take his improving jumper. It's crazy to think that we actually drafted the better point guard IMO between he and Suggs.

Worth the wait.

That's the thing that isn't at all surprising. Last year in college, Barnes had a higher assist rate and a better assist to turnover ratio than either Suggs or Cade. Not sure why people suddenly expected them to become better playmakers for others at the NBA level than Scottie.

Most people, myself included wrote Scottie off because of the "no jumper". At 4th that's a pretty big risk and I personally just wasn't interested in taking that risk. Boy was I wrong and I switched up the moment he was drafted because...

In Masai We Trust.

[God Squad]

MU nailed it so far. Barnes looks good, Suggs looks awful. Mobley looks great and that's the guy he wanted to trade up for.

cam thomas was a steal

Yup that was Masai target and Mobe had his "breakout" game today. He looked awesome. I'm still not sold on Cam Thomas yet. I see a short chucker who adds little in the terms of winning basketball other that trying to score.

[everdiso]

Per36

S.Barnes 4gm, 13.5pts (50.5ts%), 7.1ast (3.0to), 7.1rb (2.4off), 2.0st, 1.7bk
J.Green 3gm, 16.5pts (47.0ts%), 3.6ast (4.0to), 6.7rb (0.4off), 1.3st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 4gm, 12.4pts (51.0ts%), 1.9ast (1.9to), 10.8rb (1.9off), 1.3st, 2.5bk
J.Suggs 3gm, 8.0pts (32.2ts%), 4.8ast (3.2to), 5.8rb (0.5off), 1.1st, 2.1bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

[AsparaGus]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

[AsparaGus]

Per36

S.Barnes 4gm, 13.5pts (50.5ts%), 7.1ast (3.0to), 7.1rb (2.4off), 2.0st, 1.7bk
J.Green 3gm, 16.5pts (47.0ts%), 3.6ast (4.0to), 6.7rb (0.4off), 1.3st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 4gm, 12.4pts (51.0ts%), 1.9ast (1.9to), 10.8rb (1.9off), 1.3st, 2.5bk
J.Suggs 3gm, 8.0pts (32.2ts%), 4.8ast (3.2to), 5.8rb (0.5off), 1.1st, 2.1bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

Mobley was the right pick. If they couldn’t get him, they should have traded down and gotten more assets. Can’t draft a role player at 4.

[DreamTeam09]

MU nailed it so far. Barnes looks good, Suggs looks awful. Mobley looks great and that's the guy he wanted to trade up for.

cam thomas was a steal

Yup that was Masai target and Mobe had his "breakout" game today. He looked awesome. I'm still not sold on Cam Thomas yet. I see a short chucker who adds little in the terms of winning basketball other that trying to score.

You need to score the basketball in order to win the game tho. An efficient chucker is always needed

[Los_29]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

Lamar Odom was a 4th overall pick.

People's expectations are WAY too high. Now I think Barnes is going to be a star in this league but I highly recommend people go through every draft from the past 15 years. How many top 5 picks ended up being as good as Lamar Odom?

People think hall of fame players grow on trees around here.

[Reeko]

Per36

S.Barnes 4gm, 13.5pts (50.5ts%), 7.1ast (3.0to), 7.1rb (2.4off), 2.0st, 1.7bk
J.Green 3gm, 16.5pts (47.0ts%), 3.6ast (4.0to), 6.7rb (0.4off), 1.3st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 4gm, 12.4pts (51.0ts%), 1.9ast (1.9to), 10.8rb (1.9off), 1.3st, 2.5bk
J.Suggs 3gm, 8.0pts (32.2ts%), 4.8ast (3.2to), 5.8rb (0.5off), 1.1st, 2.1bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

Mobley was the right pick. If they couldn’t get him, they should have traded down and gotten more assets. Can’t draft a role player at 4.

Barnes has been the best overall rookie selected in the top 5 this pre season. He looks like a future star. I honestly don't know what you're watching, or if you're just a Celtics fan that wants to troll the Raptors board.

[GordanFreeman]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

Did you just start watching the NBA ball?

[AsparaGus]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

Lamar Odom was a 4th overall pick.

People's expectations are WAY too high. Now I think Barnes is going to be a star in this league but I highly recommend people go through every draft from the past 15 years. How many top 5 picks ended up being as good as Lamar Odom?

People think hall of fame players grow on trees around here.

1) Nothings funny here. I don’t know why you’re laughing.

2) When you’re a franchise that no free agents wants to play for, it’s extremely important to hit on your lottery picks.

3) I don’t care if the superstar rate in the top 5 is 5%. If the Raps have a top 5 pick, they better get a superstar. Anything less is wasted.

4) If Scottie doesn’t win ROY and makes it on DPOY then why did we draft him?!? They would have been better served trading down and acquiring assets for depth.

5) When you have a top 5 pick, you take your shot and you don’t miss. Anything else is inexcusable.

[mdenny]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

Lamar Odom was a 4th overall pick.

People's expectations are WAY too high. Now I think Barnes is going to be a star in this league but I highly recommend people go through every draft from the past 15 years. How many top 5 picks ended up being as good as Lamar Odom?

People think hall of fame players grow on trees around here.

It's probably because we havent had a top draft pick in awhile. Ppl don't realize that the draft is still a crap shoot for the most part. Thats how teams go 10 years getting lottery picks without climbing the standings.

Noone remembers the busts and disappointments and how many there are. Just make a list of the last 20 #4th overall draft picks and that should at least temper expectations. It's definitely not a guaranteed franchise player. Its also not a guaranteed all star player. It's not even LIKELY to produce an allstar player.

Someone posted a really interesting % of likely outcomes for each draft position based on the last 20 years or something like that. it would also help temper expectations.

The other thing...is ppl mistake player comparisons for overall value assessments rather than style assessments.

When someone says "Barnes player comparioson is Draymond Green" they're not saying he will be AS GOOD as him.

[AsparaGus]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

Did you just start watching the NBA ball?

You did.

[Danny1616]

I'm getting more of a rookie Lamar Odom vibe from him.


L.Odom: 16.6pts (44%/35%/71%) 7.8rb, 4.5ast, 1.2st, 1.5bk.


Lamar in this era of position less basketball and this amount of spacing would of easily been a top 15 player.

If his upside is Lamar Odom, that’s a wasted pick.

At 4, you should be drafting an impact player.

The #4 overall pick in the last 10 years has produced 1 all-star caliber player in Porzingis. Do you still think that would be a wasted pick if he just turns out to be Lamar Odom?

2020 Patrick Williams - Chicago Bulls
2019 De’Andre Hunter – Atlanta Hawks
2018 Jaren Jackson Jr., Michigan State – Memphis Grizzlies
2017 Josh Jackson, Kansas – Phoenix Suns
2016 Dragan Bender, Israel – Phoenix Suns
2015 Kristaps Porzingis, Baloncesta Sevilla – New York Knicks
2014 Aaron Gordon, Arizona – Orlando Magic
2013 Cody Zeller, Indiana – Charlotte Bobcats
2012 Dion Waiters, Syracuse – Cleveland Cavaliers
2011 Tristan Thompson, Texas – Cleveland Cavaliers
2010 Wesley Johnson, Syracuse – Minnesota Timberwolves

Lamar Odom had a better career than Johnson, Thompson, Waiters, Zeller, Gordon, Bender, Jackson, and Hunter.

We don't know if Hunter, Williams or Jaren Jackson will have a better career than Odom yet but doesn't look like it either.

So according to your logic if he ends up being a Lamar Odom caliber player he would be the second best 4th overall pick since 2010, which is a wasted pick?

[AsparaGus]

Per36

S.Barnes 4gm, 13.5pts (50.5ts%), 7.1ast (3.0to), 7.1rb (2.4off), 2.0st, 1.7bk
J.Green 3gm, 16.5pts (47.0ts%), 3.6ast (4.0to), 6.7rb (0.4off), 1.3st, 0.0bk
E.Mobley 4gm, 12.4pts (51.0ts%), 1.9ast (1.9to), 10.8rb (1.9off), 1.3st, 2.5bk
J.Suggs 3gm, 8.0pts (32.2ts%), 4.8ast (3.2to), 5.8rb (0.5off), 1.1st, 2.1bk
C.Cunningham 0gm

Mobley was the right pick. If they couldn’t get him, they should have traded down and gotten more assets. Can’t draft a role player at 4.

Barnes has been the best overall rookie selected in the top 5 this pre season.

Man… stop. Mobley has been the best. Don’t be that guy. Don’t lie to yourself.

[Reeko]

Mobley was the right pick. If they couldn’t get him, they should have traded down and gotten more assets. Can’t draft a role player at 4.

Barnes has been the best overall rookie selected in the top 5 this pre season.

Man… stop. Mobley has been the best. Don’t be that guy. Don’t lie to yourself.

The numbers say otherwise.

[AsparaGus]

Barnes has been the best overall rookie selected in the top 5 this pre season.

Man… stop. Mobley has been the best. Don’t be that guy. Don’t lie to yourself.

The numbers say otherwise.

Eye test says Mobley is visually the better player.

[Danny1616]

Man… stop. Mobley has been the best. Don’t be that guy. Don’t lie to yourself.

The numbers say otherwise.

Eye test says Mobley is visually the better player.

It's been 4 pre-season games, lol.

Relax and enjoy the season. Nobody will know who are the top 5 players in this draft until 3-4 years down the line.

[AsparaGus]

The Raptors need him to dominate now. Not 3-4 years from now. That’s a waste of Siakam and OG’s prime years.