[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[refshateRaps]

We have a top 10 pg in Fred
We have a top 15 player in siakam
We have a top 10 young player in Barnes.

We have good young assets in Trent, og and precious.

On paper this is an excellent foundation to build upon. One does not simply blow this up.

Sadist or not, the screaming fan boys have it coming

A 2nd round celling & no playoffs bottom (looking possible). Wasting a top 15 in his prime surrounding him with youth and hard working lunch bucket starters playing above their ceilings on offense,

This is no mans land, similar to the Colangelo kool-aid years. A complete waste of a season and will be like this until moves are made to take the team in one direction or the other.

Demar and Lowry were considered no man’s land by this board for years too.

Building the culture and talent base is the plan bro.

It was no mans land. Just like then a BIG move and moves to fix the mess had to be made before we wasted prime Lowry

Very similar. Moves have to be made

[agkagk]

I'm going to take a lot of pleasure in watching many of you have a meltdown after Thursday when nothing happens.

It's nothing personal, I'm just your average sadist.

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We have a top 10 pg in Fred
We have a top 15 player in siakam
We have a top 10 young player in Barnes.

We have good young assets in Trent, og and precious.

On paper this is an excellent foundation to build upon. One does not simply blow this up.

Sadist or not, the screaming fan boys have it coming

That’s going to be a very expensive “foundation” to build upon when you gotta pay Fred, Pascal (super max), and Gary. That ship has sailed.

The salary cap is going to go up, buy A LOT, like 50% to 100% very soon.

We’re 2 pieces away from being able to make lateral trades similar to the kawhi and gasol deals

We just have to continue to sit as near the tax threshold as possible in the interim.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mortenjensen/2021/09/19/with-new-tv-deal-looming-nba-teams-could-spend-big-on-extensions/amp/

Who knows maybe next year we can flip Fred and og for Trae young and collins or something. It’s a lot easier to improve with lateral trades vs building from the ground up.

[KL78192020]

We have a top 10 pg in Fred
We have a top 15 player in siakam
We have a top 10 young player in Barnes.

We have good young assets in Trent, og and precious.

On paper this is an excellent foundation to build upon. One does not simply blow this up.

Sadist or not, the screaming fan boys have it coming

That’s going to be a very expensive “foundation” to build upon when you gotta pay Fred, Pascal (super max), and Gary. That ship has sailed.

The salary cap is going to go up, buy A LOT, like 50% to 100% very soon.

We’re 2 pieces away from being able to make lateral trades similar to the kawhi and gasol deals

We just have to continue to sit as near the tax threshold as possible in the interim.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mortenjensen/2021/09/19/with-new-tv-deal-looming-nba-teams-could-spend-big-on-extensions/amp/

Who knows maybe next year we can flip Fred and og for Trae young and collins or something. It’s a lot easier to improve with lateral trades vs building from the ground up.

The cap is not going up 100% lol. This team is nowhere near when they got Gasol/Kawhi that team was a top 4 team in the East.

You're the same dude that said SGA is as good as Terrance Davis. Terrible takes.

[agkagk]

A 2nd round celling & no playoffs bottom (looking possible). Wasting a top 15 in his prime surrounding him with youth and hard working lunch bucket starters playing above their ceilings on offense,

This is no mans land, similar to the Colangelo kool-aid years. A complete waste of a season and will be like this until moves are made to take the team in one direction or the other.

Demar and Lowry were considered no man’s land by this board for years too.

Building the culture and talent base is the plan bro.

It was no mans land. Just like then a BIG move and moves to fix the mess had to be made before we wasted prime Lowry

Very similar. Moves have to be made

its almost like we have a track record here. dare i say, blueprint?

[agkagk]

That’s going to be a very expensive “foundation” to build upon when you gotta pay Fred, Pascal (super max), and Gary. That ship has sailed.

The salary cap is going to go up, buy A LOT, like 50% to 100% very soon.

We’re 2 pieces away from being able to make lateral trades similar to the kawhi and gasol deals

We just have to continue to sit as near the tax threshold as possible in the interim.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mortenjensen/2021/09/19/with-new-tv-deal-looming-nba-teams-could-spend-big-on-extensions/amp/

Who knows maybe next year we can flip Fred and og for Trae young and collins or something. It’s a lot easier to improve with lateral trades vs building from the ground up.

The cap is not going up 100% lol. This team is nowhere near when they got Gasol/Kawhi that team was a top 4 team in the East.

You're the same dude that said SGA is as good as Terrance Davis. Terrible takes.

yes, we are still 2 pieces away.

yes, over the course of the next cba, it will basically double, yes.

yes, i asked in the pre season if sga is as overrated on this board as terrance davis was as i dont watch the thunder but i do read the fan boys screaming on this board.

ps koloko is a future all star and fred should be ditched a month after making the all star game for a late first and a bad salary. same guys going on about sga are the same ones who post gems like that.

tbh, conversations like this one remind me of why it was a good question at the time.

[refshateRaps]

Demar and Lowry were considered no man’s land by this board for years too.

Building the culture and talent base is the plan bro.

It was no mans land. Just like then a BIG move and moves to fix the mess had to be made before we wasted prime Lowry

Very similar. Moves have to be made

its almost like we have a track record here. dare i say, blueprint?

Blueprint?

The first time was an attempt to fix the Colangelo mess

This time its fixing the aftermath of Kawai wanting nothing to with TO after the 1 year rental

There is no blueprint but there is a couple clear direction we can take either wat while Pascal is at the top. Right now we are going no where so staying status quo is not the answer.

[agkagk]

It was no mans land. Just like then a BIG move and moves to fix the mess had to be made before we wasted prime Lowry

Very similar. Moves have to be made

its almost like we have a track record here. dare i say, blueprint?

Blueprint?

The first time was an attempt to fix the Colangelo mess

This time its fixing the aftermath of Kawai wanting nothing to with TO after the 1 year rental

There is no blueprint but there is a couple clear direction we can take either wat while Pascal is at the top. Right now we are going no where so staying status quo is not the answer.

stay near the tax threshold for flexibility purposes.

build the asset base, then make lateral trades to round out the team. same thing masai has been doing since he was in denver.

[Pointgod]

Dyson, Murphy, 1 pick is best package for og hands down

You take this and run for the hills lol.

David Griffin is not that dumb though.

I actually think that’s not a ton to give up from the Pelicans perspective because the pick is certainly not one of the Lakers picks and they have so many players that they’ll need to start consolidating talent soon. However if I’m the Pelicans I try to hold on hard to Dyson Daniels since he’s the PG of the future. How many times have we seen young players thrown into a trade only for them to blow up on a different team?

[refshateRaps]

its almost like we have a track record here. dare i say, blueprint?

Blueprint?

The first time was an attempt to fix the Colangelo mess

This time its fixing the aftermath of Kawai wanting nothing to with TO after the 1 year rental

There is no blueprint but there is a couple clear direction we can take either wat while Pascal is at the top. Right now we are going no where so staying status quo is not the answer.

stay near the tax threshold for flexibility purposes.

build the asset base, then make lateral trades to round out the team. same thing masai has been doing since he was in denver.

Exactly what im saying. We NEED trades. Period.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

I can’t take you seriously lol

He’s so much better at winning basketball games that he’s lead us to the 6th worst record

Better than CP3 and Harden
Pure delusion

Better than Harden hooooooooo man.

Im gone before I get banned again.

Harden is in his last chubby legs. Look closely, he’s already falling off a cliff.

Definitely a reach to say current Fred is better than current harden. But give it another year and factor in salary. not yet, but soon!

He is like 6th in mvp ranking… Fred wouldn’t ever even break 60th

[StopitLeo]

You take this and run for the hills lol.

David Griffin is not that dumb though.

He may have gone for it when they were the 3rd seed but definitely not now after a 9 game losing streak and down to fighting for the play-in.

I actually think it's the opposite. He's probably more desperate now than he was when they were the 3rd seed.

I have feeling that Murphy, Dyson plus a pick deal was never on the table and never will be though. That's too good to be true.

That’s interesting. My thinking is that they saw how good they can be with Zion and Ingram healthy but they probably weren’t ready to really make a deep playoff push.

With all the loses there isn’t pressure/excitement to make a move anymore. Instead they can count on internal improvement from Murphy, Herb, and Daniels and see who they get in the draft.

They aren’t in a win-now situation.

[Los_29]

He may have gone for it when they were the 3rd seed but definitely not now after a 9 game losing streak and down to fighting for the play-in.

I actually think it's the opposite. He's probably more desperate now than he was when they were the 3rd seed.

I have feeling that Murphy, Dyson plus a pick deal was never on the table and never will be though. That's too good to be true.

That’s interesting. My thinking is that they saw how good they can be with Zion and Ingram healthy but they probably weren’t ready to really make a deep playoff push.

With all the loses there isn’t pressure/excitement to make a move anymore. Instead they can count on internal improvement from Murphy, Herb, and Daniels and see who they get in the draft.

They aren’t in a win-now situation.

I think the league is wide open. They’ve only been losing because they are banged up.

There is no way they can keep all of these young guys and you can make an argument that they won’t even be able to develop these young guys properly with so many high usage players on their team.

You never know with Zion’s health. He has missed an enormous amount of time during his career. I don’t think teams like Memphis and New Orleans wait. Time is now.

OG would be a huge piece for them.

[Scizzup]

Pelicans are not going to trade both Dyson/Murphy in a trade for O.G. They need good rookie scale contract guys to put around their already expensive trio. O.G does not make them champ favorites anyways. Most of Pelicans twitter media thinks the team would rather trade Murphy in an OG trade instead of Dyson.


If they somehow offer Graham/Herb/Dyson/ top 10 protected LA pick/2nd rounder for OG/filler. You take that. Dyson is going to be a good player. He has natural driving ability and he projects well on defense.

[will]

Someone cut the phone lines so that Masai and Bobby can't take no calls for ADOBE Monet.

[will]

Pelicans are not going to trade both Dyson/Murphy in a trade for O.G. They need good rookie scale contract guys to put around their already expensive trio. O.G does not make them champ favorites anyways. Most of Pelicans twitter media thinks the team would rather trade Murphy in an OG trade instead of Dyson.


If they somehow offer Graham/Herb/Dyson/ top 10 protected LA pick/2nd rounder for OG/filler. You take that. Dyson is going to be a good player. He has natural driving ability and he projects well on defense.

My counter argument would be the Pelicans will want to maximize Zion/BI/CJ while they can.

It's a weak argument, I know.

[Johnny Bball]

https://cinergycoaching.com/2022/01/im-not-saying-youre-wrong/

Remember when you said SGA was overrated, right before he became one of the best players in the league?

Im not sure youve thought this Fred being top 10 thing all the way through.

Yes I remember asking the board last season if sga was just another empty scorer on a crappy team like Collin sexton was as I don’t watch okc — what’s your point?

That's funny. I recall tWo mocking me for calling Sexton pretty much unimportant to Clevleands future. That was before they tried to trade him for a year and then salary dumped him for Mitchell.

[HumbleRen]

OG is valuable enough for teams to cough up picks but I don’t think he’s good enough for teams to be content with giving up actual young talent for him.

It’s why I ultimately believe he’s going to stay past the deadline (I hope).

Hopefully the FO comes to their senses and realize it’s Siakam and FVV that should be moved.

[Asif16]

I think Masai really wants Ayton for OG swap. With the rumors that we were close to him this past off-season in a sign & trade....and with Pheonix now interested in both OG and Fred....makes too much sense.

Ayton has flaws, but he's a 23 yr old established center who can fill up the stat sheet with room to grow. Pascal/Ayton/Scottie front court is solid

[OakleyDokely]

If Masai really wanted Ayton for OG it would already be done because the suns would do that in a second.

Maybe Ayton for GTJ or VV,.cant see it for OG.

[Asif16]

If Masai really wanted Ayton for OG it would already be done because the suns would do that in a second.

Maybe Ayton for GTJ or VV,.cant see it for OG.

I dont understand how you can say that with so much certainty. Either you're severely overrating OG or just underrating ayton.

ALso, Phoenix would have the same problem with not having a center because their back up center is Biyombo. Hence why I said, Masai probably wants a Ayton/OG swap. Phoenix needs to think of other alternatives so they can get a center back