Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[TheProfessor]

Healthy or not healthy Scottie Barnes shouldn't be your franchise guy. We still need 2 guys better than him on this team if we're actually serious about winning.

I totally disagree. Scottie can eventually be your best psuedo-franchise guy, but he should never be your best offensive player. He needs someone better than him offensively or to be in high-talent/high-spacing environment which we do not have.

[PushDaRock]

Healthy or not healthy Scottie Barnes shouldn't be your franchise guy. We still need 2 guys better than him on this team if we're actually serious about winning.

I totally disagree. Scottie can eventually be your best psuedo-franchise guy, but he should never be your best offensive player. He needs someone better than him offensively or to be in high-talent/high-spacing environment which we do not have.

RJ is a better offensive player than him, IQ might be as well.

[RoteSchroder]

Healthy or not healthy Scottie Barnes shouldn't be your franchise guy. We still need 2 guys better than him on this team if we're actually serious about winning.

Who do you think was more important to the Warriors dynasty Draymond or Klay?

Probably Klay, Draymond is much more replaceable

[Naysorn]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

[anotherhomer]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

i always felt cade would had been the better player....he's scoring skillset was a lot bigger from the get go, and he's taken the jump this year

[Naysorn]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

i always felt cade would had been the better player....he's scoring skillset was a lot bigger from the get go, and he's taken the jump this year

scotties been the better player first few years, so i was really hoping scottie would be better forever

scotties still a better two-way player, but man that cade smoothness is nice on the offensive end

[anotherhomer]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

i always felt cade would had been the better player....he's scoring skillset was a lot bigger from the get go, and he's taken the jump this year

scotties been the better player first few years, so i was really hoping scottie would be better forever

scotties still a better two-way player, but man that cade smoothness is nice on the offensive end

even the first few years, cade had flashed a much bigger skillset....
i agree with your last point but i think most teams including myself will take cade at the moment

that said, scottie improved ball-handling, and confidence in taking jumpers, flashing more of the mid-range yesterday was encouraging

if scottie can become a lite-version of luka or on offense, that's a big win

[Naysorn]

i always felt cade would had been the better player....he's scoring skillset was a lot bigger from the get go, and he's taken the jump this year

scotties been the better player first few years, so i was really hoping scottie would be better forever

scotties still a better two-way player, but man that cade smoothness is nice on the offensive end

even the first few years, cade had flashed a much bigger skillset....
i agree with your last point but i think most teams including myself will take cade at the moment

that said, scottie improved ball-handling, and confidence in taking jumpers, flashing more of the mid-range yesterday was encouraging

if scottie can become a lite-version of luka or on offense, that's a big win

scotties mid range is nearly automatic

they're just developing his 3 rn so he doesnt shoot them that often

[no dice]

Hes just taking on the PG role so he is bringing up the ball, pushing the tempo, and distributing more. When IQ returns he will be back to the recipient role and focus on scoring and making plays on the block more.

You are essentially paying for 1 franchise guy who can be plugged into any role at a high level

[tdotrep2]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

He was just giving you a 20+point triple double average w/ great defense before the injury?

[anotherhomer]

scotties been the better player first few years, so i was really hoping scottie would be better forever

scotties still a better two-way player, but man that cade smoothness is nice on the offensive end

even the first few years, cade had flashed a much bigger skillset....
i agree with your last point but i think most teams including myself will take cade at the moment

that said, scottie improved ball-handling, and confidence in taking jumpers, flashing more of the mid-range yesterday was encouraging

if scottie can become a lite-version of luka or on offense, that's a big win

scotties mid range is nearly automatic

they're just developing his 3 rn so he doesnt shoot them that often

actually his 3 is far ahead of his mid-range but both are work in progress

scottie isn't an offensive engine yet

[Tripod]

Barnes was deemed the furthest away from his upside on draft day. The fact that he has been arguably the best guy in years 1-3 was a bonus.

But most always knew scoring was not going to be "natural" and you can see from outside the difference between him and a natural scorer.

But it's all the other things he does that can contribute to winning even if he isn't scoring. Ultimately we need to see how everyone "fits" when healthy. There likely WILL be some cannibalism of stats among everyone because guys playing time or shots are higher due to injuries.

Barnes still has lots to work on but is still shown he can be 20-8-7 with those limitations. That's something that is encouraging. We are still years from his prime and the teams under this group. Enjoy the little "wins" along the way.

[Naysorn]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

He was just giving you a 20+point triple double average w/ great defense before the injury?

he was giving us this last season

i want to see a jump in scoring like cade/franz.

even looking at advanced stats like BPM and VORP - franz and cade are clearing him

[wegotthabeet]

Healthy or not healthy Scottie Barnes shouldn't be your franchise guy. We still need 2 guys better than him on this team if we're actually serious about winning.

Who do you think was more important to the Warriors dynasty Draymond or Klay?

Probably Klay, Draymond is much more replaceable

I’m of the complete opposite opinion. Draymond made the whole thing work.

[Naysorn]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

He was just giving you a 20+point triple double average w/ great defense before the injury?

he was giving us this last season

i want to see a jump in scoring like cade/franz.

even looking at advanced stats like BPM and VORP - franz and cade are clearing him

forgot to bring up sengun too who was from the same draft class

seems like everyones breaking out except scottie.

part of it is injuries (and we haven't provided him enough spacing) but i really hope he has a stronger 2nd half of the season

[TDots97]

He was just giving you a 20+point triple double average w/ great defense before the injury?

he was giving us this last season

i want to see a jump in scoring like cade/franz.

even looking at advanced stats like BPM and VORP - franz and cade are clearing him

forgot to bring up sengun too who was from the same draft class

seems like everyones breaking out except scottie.

part of it is injuries (and we haven't provided him enough spacing) but i really hope he has a stronger 2nd half of the season

What you don't understand is that your analytics will look better if your role is optimized. Scottie could be a 7-8 BPM guy at this very moment if he was asked to be a roller, sit in the dunker spot, play in the post and finish plays ala Mobley but he's asked to initiate a lot from the top and he's trying to expand his game at the moment. You think he's stagnating, but if you actually understand the game, you see he's expanding his game before our very eyes which will pay off when he's in his prime and the team actually plays for wins.

[Naysorn]

he was giving us this last season

i want to see a jump in scoring like cade/franz.

even looking at advanced stats like BPM and VORP - franz and cade are clearing him

forgot to bring up sengun too who was from the same draft class

seems like everyones breaking out except scottie.

part of it is injuries (and we haven't provided him enough spacing) but i really hope he has a stronger 2nd half of the season

What you don't understand is that your analytics will look better if your role is optimized. Scottie could be a 7-8 BPM guy at this very moment if he was asked to be a roller, sit in the dunker spot, play in the post and finish plays ala Mobley but he's asked to initiate a lot from the top and he's trying to expand his game at the moment. You think he's stagnating, but if you actually understand the game, you see he's expanding his game before our very eyes which will pay off when he's in his prime and the team actually plays for wins.

right and im hopeful that's the case

because im not being instantly gratified rn the way the rockets/magic/pistons fans are

ive said many times that i want him taking more and more 3s to develop. it's part of development and, frankly, tanking.

[Vampirate]

Ngl... seeing Franz/Cade/Mobley having the seasons they're having, I expect more from Scottie. But I guess he has been injured too.

He was just giving you a 20+point triple double average w/ great defense before the injury?

he was giving us this last season

i want to see a jump in scoring like cade/franz.

even looking at advanced stats like BPM and VORP - franz and cade are clearing him

The three point shot is really the only reason why (scoring wise).

Between Franz, Cade, Barnes and Sengun here are how they are shooting.

0-3 ft

Barnes - 70.8%
Franz - 68.8%
Sengun - 60.8%
Cade - 56.7%

3-10 ft

Barnes - 52.1%
Cade - 46.5%
Franz - 43.9%
Sengun - 43.8%

10-16 Feet

Barnes - 53.1%
Franz - 52.9%
Sengun - 50%
Cade - 47.1%

16-3P

Cade - 41.4%
Barnes - 29.2%
Franz - 25%
Sengun - 25%

3P

Cade - 37.3%
Franz - 32.1%
Barnes - 27.7%
Sengun - 25%


Overall

2P%

Barnes - 54.3%
Franz - 53.8%
Sengun - 50.6%
Cade - 49%


Cade's scoring this season hasn't been 'that' great, it's just that he's emerged as another triple double threat.

Sengun has been a great defensive player, as has Franz.

Franz so far has been the best overall player as he has yet to truly suffer in any one particular stat.

I'd wager that if he wasn't coming off an injury after the eye injury his stats would be better than they look imo.

Would he be the best out of that 4? Maybe not because I think Franz has been the best thus far.

The weakness of each player are as follows.

Cade - Low FTr and can't convert at the basket at over 65%
Barnes - Weak 3 point shooter, also 71% at the FT atm
Franz - Infrequent midrange game
Sengun - Limited range

[Clay Davis]

He was just giving you a 20+point triple double average w/ great defense before the injury?

he was giving us this last season

i want to see a jump in scoring like cade/franz.

even looking at advanced stats like BPM and VORP - franz and cade are clearing him

forgot to bring up sengun too who was from the same draft class

seems like everyones breaking out except scottie.

part of it is injuries (and we haven't provided him enough spacing) but i really hope he has a stronger 2nd half of the season

I think it's moreso that Scottie has broken out before anyone else did. Now they're all caught up and he hasn't progressed. They're all roughly on the same tier within their respective roles: definite contributors on winning teams with significant holes. That's the rizz Carlito.

[RoteSchroder]

Who do you think was more important to the Warriors dynasty Draymond or Klay?

Probably Klay, Draymond is much more replaceable

I’m of the complete opposite opinion. Draymond made the whole thing work.

Yeah but finding another defensive role player and connector on offense isn’t that hard. Finding a Klay-type player is.