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2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1261 » by Psubs » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:35 pm

Thaddy wrote:Sergio De Larrea is an under rated PG prospect I could see dropping to the 2nd round. He's a lower tier prospect in Europe and they are generally under scouted. He's 6'5, shoots very well, passes well, and he has long arms (defensive upside). We're a little loaded at PG but I hope we go high potential opposed to need (C).


Ya, I posted about him. I thought he looked like a better prospect than Ben Saraf. Someone noted that Sergio doesn't play much, but he does shoot better. He would be a steal with the Portland 2nd pick.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1262 » by Psubs » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:37 pm

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Tomislav reminds me more like Vucevic. Zvonimir seems like the 7'2 heavy footed version of Chris Boucher.


I watched two full Tennessee games this year and both were against the Ivisic guys, I think I'm thinking more of the Arkansas one since I look and Tomislav got 12 boards in the other game. Seemed like when Zvonimir was on the floor Tennessee was scoring at will inside and getting tons of offensive rebounds. He would appear and use his size on the guy he was guarding and contest shots well, but zero help or rotation and often his guy would get position on the offensive glass.

Offensive rebounds in the UT Arkansas game were 19 to 6 and 16 to 10 in the Illinois game.

Tomislav's court vision and passing are elite. I know he's only at 1.8 apg now, but some of the passes he makes are absurd. I think that skillset could be unlocked even more in the NBA. Although he has some limitations closer to the basket.


He would fit perfectly in what they are asking Poeltl to do, with also being a 3pt and lob threat. :nod:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1263 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:37 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
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That is the magic of drafting.

If it was just what the stats say, no one would miss.

It’s also about projection. Ace was/is going against all my fav stats. Just too much in the situation at Rutgers and his physical abilities and skill set to ignore.


It's not even magic. That particular number is just something to consider at the end of the year in terms of rating the likelihood of someone becoming a star.

If you want to actually think about how misleading projection can be, just sit back and reflect on how often you have placed high hopes on rookies on the Raptors based on a good early showing.

We know the draft is inefficient, and that at the top even good drafting organizations blow it badly.


I don’t have the inclination to dig up receipts but there were plenty of posts here trashing Ace due to his early/mid season BPM.

Now we have to patient and wait to end of season?

Since when has Raptors RealGM ever been patient to form an opinion? :lol:


I am actually more than okay with you digging up receipts. This is for fun, right? Only a few people here think they're actual scouts that the NBA hasn't discovered yet.

I know that I felt like I qualified most takes with Ace as "there's lots of time left" or "if this hold" type statements, because that's how I feel. Fans who hold dear to some eye test theory are really just and1ing the scouting consensus, and we know that the scouting consensus can be wildly wrong at best and tepidly accurate at best.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1264 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jan 18, 2025 4:41 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
It's not even magic. That particular number is just something to consider at the end of the year in terms of rating the likelihood of someone becoming a star.

If you want to actually think about how misleading projection can be, just sit back and reflect on how often you have placed high hopes on rookies on the Raptors based on a good early showing.

We know the draft is inefficient, and that at the top even good drafting organizations blow it badly.


I don’t have the inclination to dig up receipts but there were plenty of posts here trashing Ace due to his early/mid season BPM.

Now we have to patient and wait to end of season?

Since when has Raptors RealGM ever been patient to form an opinion? :lol:


I am actually more than okay with you digging up receipts. This is for fun, right? Only a few people here think they're actual scouts that the NBA hasn't discovered yet.

I know that I felt like I qualified most takes with Ace as "there's lots of time left" or "if this hold" type statements, because that's how I feel. Fans who hold dear to some eye test theory are really just and1ing the scouting consensus, and we know that the scouting consensus can be wildly wrong at best and tepidly accurate at best.


Ace has been a weird experience for me. He goes against all my typical views when it comes to my amateur “scouting.” First time I can remember that I ignored the basic/advanced stats and put more emphasis on the eye test, skills, and measurements.

He’s no sure bet but I do think he’ll be better than Brandon Miller…and I liked Miller a lot in his draft.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1265 » by CoinTossRoss31 » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:03 pm

I'm personally higher on Jak than VJ but I guess we will have to see if VJ improves on offense over the course of the season
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1266 » by Psubs » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:13 pm

CoinTossRoss31 wrote:I'm personally higher on Jak than VJ but I guess we will have to see if VJ improves on offense over the course of the season


This might be akin to the guard version of Antawn Jamison vs Vince Carter.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1267 » by TNRaps4life » Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:13 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
I don’t have the inclination to dig up receipts but there were plenty of posts here trashing Ace due to his early/mid season BPM.

Now we have to patient and wait to end of season?

Since when has Raptors RealGM ever been patient to form an opinion? :lol:


I am actually more than okay with you digging up receipts. This is for fun, right? Only a few people here think they're actual scouts that the NBA hasn't discovered yet.

I know that I felt like I qualified most takes with Ace as "there's lots of time left" or "if this hold" type statements, because that's how I feel. Fans who hold dear to some eye test theory are really just and1ing the scouting consensus, and we know that the scouting consensus can be wildly wrong at best and tepidly accurate at best.


Ace has been a weird experience for me. He goes against all my typical views when it comes to my amateur “scouting.” First time I can remember that I ignored the basic/advanced stats and put more emphasis on the eye test, skills, and measurements.

He’s no sure bet but I do think he’ll be better than Brandon Miller…and I liked Miller a lot in his draft.



Scouting includes eye test and projection. They are not finished products. This is why scouts travel to games. They read the players during pre game workouts etc
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1268 » by Thaddy » Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:16 pm

Psubs wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Sergio De Larrea is an under rated PG prospect I could see dropping to the 2nd round. He's a lower tier prospect in Europe and they are generally under scouted. He's 6'5, shoots very well, passes well, and he has long arms (defensive upside). We're a little loaded at PG but I hope we go high potential opposed to need (C).


Ya, I posted about him. I thought he looked like a better prospect than Ben Saraf. Someone noted that Sergio doesn't play much, but he does shoot better. He would be a steal with the Portland 2nd pick.

He looks comparable to Jakucionis. I don't think a PG with his size last until the 2nd round.

Saraf is in a weak league? I don't understand the hype around him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1269 » by Ell Curry » Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:56 pm

Caught the last 10 minutes of Alabama-Kentucky. Watched Philon the entire time.

'Bama seems to run basically a 2 PG setup where he and Sears are both empowered to run the O and one of them dictated every possession apart from one where Kentucky denied the ball well and a big had to try to create.

Pros:
-Very good, not great - size for a PG.
-Very good first step. Decisive on the times he drove. Looked a good finisher at the rim.
-Mentally he's very impressive for a PG. Takes care of the ball, passes at the right time while driving, whether that was a kick out to Sears after slightly shifting the defence when Philon had a good first step and made it to the elbow, or all the way at the rim.
-Competed defensively fairly hard when on the perimeter. Was pointing out assignments to teammates and switching smoothly.

Meh:
-Apparently he was 3/5 from 3, though he isn't a good FT% or 3pt shooter in general. I only saw one, it was a make. Kentucky gave him room after collapsing off a Sears drive and his release was a bit slow, but he took time, squared up and hit it.

Cons:
-Alabama switched everything (Kentucky has bigs who can do perimeter stuff, it isn't Calipari ball anymore down there) and Philon is skinny, so he got pushed around when he ended up defending in the paint. This isn't a huge deal for a PG, and he's 19 so maybe he puts on weight, but it's a nice bonus to have strength. In terms of Raptors fit, did not look like he could really survive at the 2 defensively despite being looking a legit 6'4, so might be tough to play him and Quickley together. Definitely a far, far more natural PG than Quickley looked as a freshman, and offensively the fit would probably be relatively clean with Philon on-ball more and Quickley hunting 3s, attacking close outs and running secondary pick and rolls after the D has been shifted/from the weak side.

I probably don't know enough about basketball:
-He and the roll defending big man got beat a couple times on simple passes to the roller for a dunk on the P+R. Normally we blame the big man/roll defender for that, but you gotta really know the game and the team's defensive game plan, or at least watch a guy a ton, to have a good sense of that, or at least I do.

Didn't get a sense of:
-His handle, really. Looked fine, just didn't notice anything either way, really.

Overall:
-Really impressive. Being skinny and having a meh shot are common for 19 year olds. Being this smart and productive and having plus size at 19 is a lot rarer. Maybe the shot never gets there, but that sure looked like a steady NBA PG to me, albeit maybe one you wished could shoot better.

He's shooting over 60% from 2 and has a 2-1 A/TO as a freshman, that's not common, only Harper and Richardson (low usage on 2s, though, might be a bit fake? Izzo is annoying) is doing it.

There are 4 PGs in this draft with the same solid A/TO (Harper, Wright from Baylor, Richardson from MSU and Philon), and Wright and Richardson can shoot. Fears and Fland look talented, people still seem to have Traore late lottery despite a drop in stats, Demin should fall, seems like a good draft to get a really good backup PG or passable starting PG if you're picking in the 10-25 range. We probably aren't, but if we could move up from #35 and grab one, it's hard to see them not passing Shead.

My guess if the draft was today is he's an option for Miami at #11 but maybe goes to Minnesota at #15 or Utah at #18.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1270 » by Brinbe » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:25 pm

great game between auburn and georgia, literally went right down to the end. Newell had a chance to win it but just came up short on the lob attempt.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1271 » by Psubs » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:34 pm

Really unless Harper or Jak, no PG's unless Sergio with the 2nd pick.

Go stock up on bigs as both Boucher and Olynyk should be traded by the start of next season. Also Mogbo is more of a SF wing defender.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1272 » by Jstock12 » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:43 pm

Psubs wrote:Really unless Harper or Jak, no PG's unless Sergio with the 2nd pick.

Go stock up on bigs as both Boucher and Olynyk should be traded by the start of next season. Also Mogbo is more of a SF wing defender.

Outside of top6, it would really be worth considering trading down and maybe turning that mid-late lottery pick into a couple mid-late 1st rounders. Could gamble on a couple guys with a high ceiling, and then get a high floor backup big (Broome) in the 2nd round.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1273 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:53 pm



If we were taking him we would definitely need to sell on one of Gradey or RJ. I can see his fit next to IQ as a ball stopper at the sg position but Gradey and RJ are also primarily sgs as well. Gradey is tall enough to play the 3 but would be an even bigger sieve defensively, RJ isn't as good when he plays up at sf/pf.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1274 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sat Jan 18, 2025 8:54 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
Psubs wrote:Really unless Harper or Jak, no PG's unless Sergio with the 2nd pick.

Go stock up on bigs as both Boucher and Olynyk should be traded by the start of next season. Also Mogbo is more of a SF wing defender.

Outside of top6, it would really be worth considering trading down and maybe turning that mid-late lottery pick into a couple mid-late 1st rounders. Could gamble on a couple guys with a high ceiling, and then get a high floor backup big (Broome) in the 2nd round.


Highkey after 5 I'm not really enamoured with anyone so I might do this with the Spurs who have like 2-3 picks this draft. Or OKC
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1275 » by RoteSchroder » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:10 am

Jstock12 wrote:Knueppel finally starts to justify the good shooter label. Shooting 47% from three on 7.5 attempts in his last 6 games. Looks to be an above average defender and above average playmaker too. Jack of all trades / glue guy type. Him going back into top4 conversation wouldn't shock me at this point.


He just had a 0-5, 0 point game

There's zero chance I'd draft a high floor low ceiling player in the top 10 of this year's draft. Gotta shoot our shot for a star, not a glue guy.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1276 » by Indeed » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:21 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:

If we were taking him we would definitely need to sell on one of Gradey or RJ. I can see his fit next to IQ as a ball stopper at the sg position but Gradey and RJ are also primarily sgs as well. Gradey is tall enough to play the 3 but would be an even bigger sieve defensively, RJ isn't as good when he plays up at sf/pf.


He is small to play the SG spot, much like we play Barrett at SF.
Yeah, offensively, maybe he is limited as a SG.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1277 » by RoteSchroder » Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:56 am

At first glance, Jase Richardson and Neoklis Avdalas look like decent prospects. Maybe it's from the shock of the horrid 2024 draft, but there are 10-15 players I like in the late 1st to 2nd round. Also a few players I like in the mid-1st range. Also, the top 4 looks good too.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1278 » by PoundTown » Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:02 am

Indeed wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:

If we were taking him we would definitely need to sell on one of Gradey or RJ. I can see his fit next to IQ as a ball stopper at the sg position but Gradey and RJ are also primarily sgs as well. Gradey is tall enough to play the 3 but would be an even bigger sieve defensively, RJ isn't as good when he plays up at sf/pf.


He is small to play the SG spot, much like we play Barrett at SF.
Yeah, offensively, maybe he is limited as a SG.


Edgecomb is my 4th. The guys in top 3 will probably all be better quicker, VJ I think could take a littler longer, but has a higher ceiling than the others behind him. I think he takes time to learn the nuances but that on a squad with a couple creators like Scottie and RJ he could develop enough with ball skills and point guard skills and mentality enough to be able to complement a duo like them. Not saying that’s a long term duo to keep or whatever but he’s got a lot of raw talent. Remember Westbrook out of college? Wasn’t the ball dominant player he’d later become and was more of a 7-10 pick than a 4th overall at rhe end of the ncaa tourney the year he was drafted.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1279 » by Jstock12 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:15 am

Egor Demin with 9 points and 2 assists on 4/12 FG, 1/5 3PT, 0/2 FT

5/41 from three in his last 9 games. He might be prettty close to banning stat sheets from BYU locker room.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1280 » by Thaddy » Sun Jan 19, 2025 10:14 am

Jstock12 wrote:Egor Demin with 9 points and 2 assists on 4/12 FG, 1/5 3PT, 0/2 FT

5/41 from three in his last 9 games. He might be prettty close to banning stat sheets from BYU locker room.

No idea why he's ranked top 10. He will likely drop to being a late 1st to early 2nd. I see his drop being harder than Filipowski's.

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