Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread

[Zurbert]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2csa56j

To Tor - Get Depth at SF, High Energy C, gives Curry a new home to rebuild his image and career, help at PG.
D Gallinari
A Varejao
E Curry
M Williams

To NYK - Get another PG to help Felton, Add front court depth, get out of Curry contract and get some TPE
J Calderon
R Evans
TPE 3.3M

To NJN - Get some help at SG
M Belinelli

To CLE - Good TPE, Get out of the Mo Williams Contract, Get some help at SF.
TPE 7.3M
D Jones
M Banks
T Outlaw

Toronto Roster

Mo Williams/Jack
De Ro/Barbosa/Weems
Gallinari/Kliesa
Bargs/Amir/Davis/Dorsey
Curry/Varejao/Alabi

OR

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=23y6wlh

Keep Beli and get an Italian connection going! Also landing Varejao gets the 2 Brazilians on the same team.

To Tor - Get Depth at SF, High Energy C, gives Curry a new home to rebuild his image and career, help at PG.
D Gallinari
A Varejao
E Curry
M Williams

To NYK - Get another PG to help Felton, Add front court depth, get out of Curry contract and get some TPE
J Calderon
R Evans
TPE 3.3M

To CLE - Good TPE, Get out of the Mo Williams Contract, get more front court depth
TPE 7.3M
D Jones
M Banks
J Dorsey

Toronto Roster

Mo Williams/Jack/Beli
De Ro/Barbosa/Weems
Gallinari/Kliesa
Bargs/Amir/Davis
Curry/Varejao/Alabi

CLE Roster

Gibson/Banks/Telfair
West/Parker/Green
Moon/
Jamison/Hickson/Powe
Dorsey/Jones

NYK Roster

Felton/Calderon
Walker/Douglas
Azubuike/Chandler
Stoudamire/Randolph
Turiaf/Mozgov/Evans

[Eliowns]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28lzcnu

To Tor - Gets starting PG, C and SF. Back Up C as well.
G. Arenas
A. Biedrins
G. Wallace
J. McGee
1.7M in TPE

To Wash - Dumps redundant player with huge salary, gets more depth at SG and for the front court as well as a small TPE.
R. Evans
M. Belinelli
1.6M TPE

To GS - Dumps Salary, will need money to sign Curry to a big deal, Gets a backup PG, Gets More front court depth.
M. Banks
D. Jones
J. Dorsey

To Charlotte - Charlotte Gets a PG and big TPE
J. Calderon
10.5M TPE

Toronto Roster
Arenas/Jack
DeRo/Barbosa/Weems
Wallace/Kliesa
Bargs/Johnson/Davis
Biedrins/McGee/Aabi

starting line up usually consists of 5 players. LOL. and good try with the trade. we can always dream

no ****

[bigstarz]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27qmos5

To Tor: OJ Mayo and Marc Gasol

Line Up:
PG: OJ Mayo/JJ
SG: Demar/Barbosa
SF: Sonny/Kliesa
PF: Amir/Davis
C: Gasol/Dorsey

To Mem: Andrea Bargnani and TE

PG: Conley/
SG: Allen/
SF: Gay/
PF: Randolf/
C: Bargs/

[mapko81]

Indiana will not get a better PG in FA than Jose Calderon. Also doesnt really affect their ability to offer a max contract next summer, they still have that space. To get a young SG + MIA pick out of it is a decent enough return, especially if they want that max contract as MIA pick can provide some cheap depth.

With new CBA next summer, cap flexibility will be huge... and Larry Bird has said (and acted) like he wants to preserve 2011 cap space at all costs. Taking on Calderon would be a total change of strategy (and let's face it, Jose is not good enough to change your franchise strategy).

Memphis has a rep for making dumb moves. If we can somehow dump Calderon on them for Conley, we're laughing. They are not giving us Hasheem Thabeet though (2nd pick overall a kid they were really high on). Maybe Marko Jaric's salary can be sent our way, and we could send them 3 mill. The 10% trade kicker on Calderon's salary is pretty toxic (it adds another 3 mill to what he's due). Unlike Turkoglu, I don't see him waiving it.

[Joel Embust]

What's your starting lineup as of today?

[bboyskinnylegs]

Indiana will not get a better PG in FA than Jose Calderon. Also doesnt really affect their ability to offer a max contract next summer, they still have that space. To get a young SG + MIA pick out of it is a decent enough return, especially if they want that max contract as MIA pick can provide some cheap depth.

With new CBA next summer, cap flexibility will be huge... and Larry Bird has said (and acted) like he wants to preserve 2011 cap space at all costs. Taking on Calderon would be a total change of strategy (and let's face it, Jose is not good enough to change your franchise strategy).

Memphis has a rep for making dumb moves. If we can somehow dump Calderon on them for Conley, we're laughing. They are not giving us Hasheem Thabeet though (2nd pick overall a kid they were really high on). Maybe Marko Jaric's salary can be sent our way, and we could send them 3 mill. The 10% trade kicker on Calderon's salary is pretty toxic (it adds another 3 mill to what he's due). Unlike Turkoglu, I don't see him waiving it.

I think Thabeet can be obtained, in the interview with Heisley during a SL game he mentioned how Thabeet will be coming off the bench this year and how they're hoping he can improve his numbers over his disappointing rookie season. The Grizzlies are going to have to pay up for Gasol next summer also, Mayo soon after (and they might want to re-sign Zach Randolph too), so they'll be looking to save money (and they're still looking for a starting PG). For evidence of their penny pinching, look no further than the fact that both of their 1st round picks in Greivis Vasquez and Xavier Henry are still unsigned. Jaric was bought out, so he can't be traded here.

I doubt the Grizzlies would take Jose (I see them being more interested in Jack), but if they did, it would probably be for both Thabeet+Conley. The rest of their big contracts are their core starters (Gasol, Mayo, Randolph, Gay), everyone else is making $2 million or less, which makes it hard to trade for Jose. I also don't see Conley as any kind of starting PG upgrade for us either, so if we got him, I'd trade him or let him expire, and look to trade for a high level PG prospect (Rubio, Collison, Lawson), or draft a PG next year (Knight or Irving would be ideal, but there's also Selby, Gaddy, Marshall, CoJo, and Walker as well).

[Purple Forever]

So after now two failed attempts at getting deals done we can now see what we are clearly after:

1. A defense first starting C
2. A veteran SF who is more defense than offense
3. A young PG

What we have to give up:

Calderon
Expirings - Evans, Banks, Belinelli, future picks, miami pick
TPE

What I think we go after

Okafor - a 26 yr old defence first centre
Posey - veteran defense first SF
Collison - young PG

Why does New Orleans deal these guys. They need to build around Paul and show him they have flexibility to add players. There is not much to add this year but getting more expirings and a TPE would show they could add a SF and Centre next year around Paul and West and make a run in the West. A deal combining the TPE and expirings would give them space to add this year and in the future.

Potential deal:

To Toronto

Okafor - 10.6 MM
Collison - 1.6 MM
Posey - 6.4 MM

To New Orleans

10.6 MM TPE (for Okafor)
Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks for Posey and Collison

Gives them the TPE + 20 MM in expirings (with Peja as well)

They can then even use TPE to go after someone like Josh Howard for this year in a S&T and also add Shaq for this year, both at 3 yrs and splitting the TPE.

Imagine that lineup:

Paul
Howard
Peja
West
Shaq

plus flexibility next year to add Carmelo if he doesn't resign with the 20 MM in expirings

For Toronto we have:

Jack, Collison
Barbosa, De Rozan
Posey, Weems
Bargnani, Kleiza, Davis
Okafor, Johnson, Alabi

with Calderon and Bellinelli still available with our picks for any other needs / dump

And this core would be signed for next 3 years except Posey and Barbosa who would would have 2 seasons - 1 starting, one off the bench to develop Demar and Weems.

[Rapsobsessed7]

Indiana will not get a better PG in FA than Jose Calderon. Also doesnt really affect their ability to offer a max contract next summer, they still have that space. To get a young SG + MIA pick out of it is a decent enough return, especially if they want that max contract as MIA pick can provide some cheap depth.

With new CBA next summer, cap flexibility will be huge... and Larry Bird has said (and acted) like he wants to preserve 2011 cap space at all costs. Taking on Calderon would be a total change of strategy (and let's face it, Jose is not good enough to change your franchise strategy).

Memphis has a rep for making dumb moves. If we can somehow dump Calderon on them for Conley, we're laughing. They are not giving us Hasheem Thabeet though (2nd pick overall a kid they were really high on). Maybe Marko Jaric's salary can be sent our way, and we could send them 3 mill. The 10% trade kicker on Calderon's salary is pretty toxic (it adds another 3 mill to what he's due). Unlike Turkoglu, I don't see him waiving it.

yes but Calderon doesnt do anything really. They still have room for a max player and they fill a need to make the roster more appealing to that player. Anyways i see your point though.

The only reason i can see memphis doing Calderon for Conley is because it may convince Marc Gasol not to leave. Hes also the perfect fit next to Mayo while Conley isnt really. His lack of outside shooting doesnt compliment Mayo well.

You cannot put Jarics salary in a trade, he was waived his salary can not be added to meet the 1.25 + 100,000 rule of the CBA. Calderons trade kicker adds 900,000 which can be waived if he wanted to (much like how the suns made Hedos deal better by waiving it, Jose might do the same but i doubt it because he wants to stay while Hedo wanted out)

Indiana will not get a better PG in FA than Jose Calderon. Also doesnt really affect their ability to offer a max contract next summer, they still have that space. To get a young SG + MIA pick out of it is a decent enough return, especially if they want that max contract as MIA pick can provide some cheap depth.

With new CBA next summer, cap flexibility will be huge... and Larry Bird has said (and acted) like he wants to preserve 2011 cap space at all costs. Taking on Calderon would be a total change of strategy (and let's face it, Jose is not good enough to change your franchise strategy).

Memphis has a rep for making dumb moves. If we can somehow dump Calderon on them for Conley, we're laughing. They are not giving us Hasheem Thabeet though (2nd pick overall a kid they were really high on). Maybe Marko Jaric's salary can be sent our way, and we could send them 3 mill. The 10% trade kicker on Calderon's salary is pretty toxic (it adds another 3 mill to what he's due). Unlike Turkoglu, I don't see him waiving it.

I think Thabeet can be obtained, in the interview with Heisley during a SL game he mentioned how Thabeet will be coming off the bench this year and how they're hoping he can improve his numbers over his disappointing rookie season. The Grizzlies are going to have to pay up for Gasol next summer also, Mayo soon after (and they might want to re-sign Zach Randolph too), so they'll be looking to save money (and they're still looking for a starting PG). For evidence of their penny pinching, look no further than the fact that both of their 1st round picks in Greivis Vasquez and Xavier Henry are still unsigned. Jaric was bought out, so he can't be traded here.

I doubt the Grizzlies would take Jose (I see them being more interested in Jack), but if they did, it would probably be for both Thabeet+Conley. The rest of their big contracts are their core starters (Gasol, Mayo, Randolph, Gay), everyone else is making $2 million or less, which makes it hard to trade for Jose. I also don't see Conley as any kind of starting PG upgrade for us either, so if we got him, I'd trade him or let him expire, and look to trade for a high level PG prospect (Rubio, Collison, Lawson), or draft a PG next year (Knight or Irving would be ideal, but there's also Selby, Gaddy, Marshall, CoJo, and Walker as well).

i agree to a point, that they wouldnt take Jose but lets factor in Conleys extension next year if he makes anything like 5 million or so they actually save money because they arent going to cut Thabeet. It would be a huge PR mistake to do that. What i propose is.

Toronto Sends:
Jose Calderon $9,000,000 (9,900,000 after TK)
* Cash Considerations (3 million)
* Rights to Miamis 2011 1st Round Pick

Memphis Sends:
Mike Conley $4,913,007
Hasheem Thabeet $4,793,280

Why this makes sense to me. The 3 million goes to paying the trade kicker. The trade kicker would be paid this year, next year and the year after that which limits the financial strain his contract is on their cap.

Thabeet has $5,127,720 $6,471,183 as team options which are very unlikely to be declined, when have you ever seen a team decline a 2nd overall picks option. Unlikely.

Calderon has $9,780,992 $10,561,983 as salary left after this year. Basically the difference being 4.6 million and 4.1 million. So factor in a new PG that this isnt that bad of a deal.

Calderon
Mayo
Gay
Randolph
Gasol

is a pretty nice lineup.

Conley / Jack / Banks
Derozan / Barbosa / Belinelli
Klezia / Weems / SF (Evans trade)
Davis / Johnson / Dorsey
Bargnani / Thabeet / Alabi

[mapko81]

So after now two failed attempts at getting deals done we can now see what we are clearly after:

1. A defense first starting C
2. A veteran SF who is more defense than offense
3. A young PG

What we have to give up:

Calderon
Expirings - Evans, Banks, Belinelli, future picks, miami pick
TPE

What I think we go after

Okafor - a 26 yr old defence first centre

To stop you right there, we don't want Okafor! We are invested over the next 5 years in Bargnani, Johnson and Davis, and we like the potential there. A defensive-minded C (like Chandler) only works if he has an expiring contract. We don't want to stunt Ed Davis' growth, but help in the post next year would help.

[Purple Forever]

But all championship teams have 3-4 high quality bigs

LA - Gasol, Bynum and Odum
Boston - Perkins, Garnett, Davis and Wallace
Denver - has Nene, Martin, Anderson and is looking for more

Need to have a good 4 man big rotation

Bargnani - starting PF
Johnson - 1st big off the bench - probably not a C
Davis - for now 2nd big off the bench - 2-3 years away from more - and probably not a C

Our only C option is Alabi or Bargnani which has not worked

So Okafor is a good 2-3 year pickup and will help develop the others from a defensive perspective

[Sareth1988]

I think we should focus on C's right?

Since we got so many forwards, and now we need to get a better center for the Raptors?

I would love to get Oden from Portland, or other player that can grab a lot of rebounds than Bargnani.

And aren't we suppose to trade Jose to other team? If so, how about we get Gilbert Arenas for Jose and Belinelli?

[62245]

gilbert would have been great if bosh stayed


the raptors really need a defensive center

[Fairview4Life]

It's still "guys who are really really good at basketball".

[HeyJoe]

It's still "guys who are really really good at basketball".

just like last year

[Zurbert]

Young pg with potential and talent
Young Defensive SF
Young Defensive C and an Energy C
Low paying Backup PG

[raptonian]

Young pg with potential and talent
Young Defensive SF
Young Defensive C and an Energy C
Low paying Backup PG

Basically a whole new team. Ah the good old days of expansion

[dillio]

Better fanbase

[L3M0NAD3]

Young pg with potential and talent
Young Defensive SF
Young Defensive C and an Energy C
Low paying Backup PG

These are all coming from the draft, which was held last month. These are not just coming out of nowhere.

I think its safe to say this team is basically set as it is, a few trades may happen for minor players/role players but by no means will we get anything of substance now.

-Why would we need a low paying back up PG and a young PG w/ potential in talent. So why do we have JJ/Barbosa then?
- Sonny/DD could potentially be that defensive SF we "need".
- So you're basically saying we need both a young defensive C and an energy C, wow, where is this money/assets coming from?

[roundhead0]

This team is deficient at every position.

[L3M0NAD3]

Better fanbase

+1

Ones who don't "PANAC!"