Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

[Reignman]

Agree with Rhett.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ yeah, I think a frontcourt of Kanter/Davis could give us a great frontcourt to move forward with. Kanter is a big presence in the paint that can be a go-to scorer in the low post, while also being able to step out, face-up and hit jumpers. Ed is a long, athletic PF that can clean up misses and score efficiently in the paint (he's also been showing some signs of being able to knock down jumpers), and most importantly is an excellent help defender in the paint. Both of these guys excel as rebounders, and play the game in different ways that could be very complementary.

The biggest issue with Ed is that he isn't very big, so he really can't be manning up bigger C's in the league---which just happens to be exactly what Kanter can do with his strength and solid size at 260+ lbs. Likewise, the biggest knock on Kanter is that he may not be a superior athlete and plays a bit below the rim--things that Ed absolutely brings to the table. If both panned out, that would be a dream frontcourt situation imo.

[5DOM]

Here's a scenario to ponder:

What if everything checks out fine with Enes Kanter health-wise, and he skyrockets back up to top-5 pick status, and we're sittting at 4th...A)would you take him, and B)would you consider moving Ed Davis to a team like WAS for their pick, for Kanter's practice teammate at Kentucky, Brandon Knight?

We walk away from the draft with Knight and Kanter, the latter of whom is NBA-ready in terms of his physical profile (assuming he's 6'10ish).

Knight
DeRozan
Johnson
Bargnani
Kanter

I'd much rather pair Kanter with Ed Davis than with Bargnani, so no.

Think you are missing the point. I think the only reason why he suggested that is to draft Knight as well.

[Reignman]

Considering there's a few decent PG prospects in the next draft as well I think it would be folly to trade Ed for Knight at this point.

Jose can drive the tank for another season if need be.

[Rhettmatic]

Think you are missing the point. I think the only reason why he suggested that is to draft Knight as well.

I didn't really "miss the point." Bargs/Kanter is ugly -- I don't like the fit at all, and if we deal Davis, then we'd have to find another PF/C long-term, just the way we'd need to find a PG long-term if we didn't trade Davis for Knight.

I'd much rather put my faith in a Kanter/Davis frontcourt and wait to draft a PG. Or try to trade Bargs for another pick, which makes far more sense than dealing Davis to me.

[raps2011]

we need to get into that top 3 some way some how.
we either hope sac keeps this momentum going
and the wiz, with their really easy schedule, win more games
and we lose.
or
we go up in the lottery, which at number 4 seems alright to me

[Indeed]

Here's a scenario to ponder:

What if everything checks out fine with Enes Kanter health-wise, and he skyrockets back up to top-5 pick status, and we're sittting at 4th...A)would you take him, and B)would you consider moving Ed Davis to a team like WAS for their pick, for Kanter's practice teammate at Kentucky, Brandon Knight?

We walk away from the draft with Knight and Kanter, the latter of whom is NBA-ready in terms of his physical profile (assuming he's 6'10ish).

Knight
DeRozan
Johnson
Bargnani
Kanter

Yay or Nay?

Kanter's wingspan is 7-1, and only longer than Horford, where Horford complains he plays C instead of PF. So I assume he will be better off at PF.

Valanciunas is a better prospect with 7-6 wingspan, and he can play PF with his quickness. He is no soft guy like Bargnani. And both Kanter and Valanciunas might be more similar to a less quicker Amir with a great jump shot.

[5DOM]

Considering there's a few decent PG prospects in the next draft as well I think it would be folly to trade Ed for Knight at this point.

Jose can drive the tank for another season if need be.

Oh I agree. I probably wouldn't trade Davis for Knight either, but I just think Mr.Raps' proposal was more about obtaining Knight than pairing Bargnani with Kanter. One thing to note however is that it seems like great PFs are easier to find than great PGs. If I liked Knight more, I probably would have considered it.

[sunny]

Forgive my earlier post; Derrick has come out today and said that he still hasn't talked about it yet and has no idea what hes going to do.


I love how everybody knows what "IM" doing before "I" even have thought about it hahaha. Didn't the season end like a couple days ago?

and

can everybody please stop posting stuff on my wall/arguing about what i havent even thought about yet..? the season just ended..
..thanks

[Alfred]

I bet he comes out if he's considered a top 3 pick, which he should be. That's a ton of money and prestige.

[5DOM]

I didn't really "miss the point." Bargs/Kanter is ugly -- I don't like the fit at all, and if we deal Davis, then we'd have to find another PF/C long-term, just the way we'd need to find a PG long-term if we didn't trade Davis for Knight.

I've never seen Kanter play a single competitive game, so I can't really comment on it, but from what I've read, the fit doesn't sound too bad tbh. And I think if we are drafting Kanter, it's to make him our C of the future. Amir/Kanter with Bargnani coming off the bench is decent enough for now IMO.

I'd much rather put my faith in a Kanter/Davis frontcourt and wait to draft a PG. Or try to trade Bargs for another pick, which makes far more sense than dealing Davis to me.

Same except I don't think Bargnani will get us anything of value.

[TheRealDeal]

I love the idea of a Kanter/Davis frontcourt but it still leaves us with holes at the 1 & 3. Could we package Bargs in a deal for an additional top 5 pick? Maybe to a team looking to win now and not develop another prospect? Kahn is an idiot so I wouldn't put it past BC to fleece him even though they already have K-Love. Sacramento has Cousins/Dalembert to plug up the middle but could use another scoring spark in their frontcourt. The Cavs will likely keep their picks to invigorate the franchise with hope. I wouldn't be surprised to see them land the #1 & #2 picks. They'd deserve it for remaining 3rd in attendance despite the crappy return they got for LeBron.

[Rhettmatic]

I bet he comes out if he's considered a top 3 pick, which he should be. That's a ton of money and prestige.

Yep. Even the people who say they're staying often end up changing their minds and coming to the NBA.

So when a top prospect says he isn't sure or hasn't thought about it yet, I tend to think it's pretty likely they're going to make the jump.

[5DOM]

I think Sullinger is the only one who'll stay in college.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I think Sullinger is the only one who'll stay in college.

And he's somebody who NEEDS to come out. He projects as a 6'8 C in the NBA.

[sunny]

I bet he comes out if he's considered a top 3 pick, which he should be. That's a ton of money and prestige.

He still likely will, I am just updating on his current status.
if this wasnt a lockout year, 100%.
since it is a lockout, it is definitely hazy.

[RomaniaLuvTR]

Assuming all four are still on the board for our pick, and BC wants to go with a small forward, who's the man, pre-workouts?

Barnes? Perry? T. Jones? D-Will?

EASILY Barnes, but that's one man's opinion.

that`s 2 man opinion

[ballislife]

Here's a scenario to ponder:

What if everything checks out fine with Enes Kanter health-wise, and he skyrockets back up to top-5 pick status, and we're sittting at 4th...A)would you take him, and B)would you consider moving Ed Davis to a team like WAS for their pick, for Kanter's practice teammate at Kentucky, Brandon Knight?

We walk away from the draft with Knight and Kanter, the latter of whom is NBA-ready in terms of his physical profile (assuming he's 6'10ish).

Knight
DeRozan
Johnson
Bargnani
Kanter

Yay or Nay?

I like the idea of having both of them... but I agree that a Davis/Kanter front court for the future would be intriguing, and I want Bargnani traded. Hopefully if the Kings get like the 5-6 pick, they decide getting guys like Bargnani and Bayless for their higher contracts and their first rounder to pair at PF beside Cousins while hopefully having Bayless develop as a perfect fit beside Evans. It would work out ideally for Toronto as well - we'd have Knight as a back up to Jose for the first little while until he learns the game.

Bargnani, Bayless & Kleiza for #5/#6, Garcia & Udrih

Lineup:
Calderon/ Knight/ Udrih (trade either Calderon or Udrih for a better fit later on)
DeRozan/ Barbosa/ Weems
Chandler? or Young?/ Johnson/ Garcia
Davis/ Evans
Kanter/ Johnson

That's a nice young line-up. There's some toughness there, along with a few vets.

[bboyskinnylegs]

getting that Sacramento pick would be perfect, I think I like that scenario best. We get the highest chance of winning the lottery (and a 67% chance we move up into the top 3). We either select a PG/SF combo (Kyrie/Knight/Walker+Perry/Barnes/Williams), a PG/C combo (Kyrie/Knight/Walker+Kanter/Valanciunas), or a SF/C combo (Perry/Barnes/Williams+Kanter/Valanciunas).

If we get a PG/C, then we might also try to target a W.Chandler/Young/Green in the summer (or just wait it out and see if we can get a Gilchrist/Miller/Nash next year). If we get a PG/SF, we can try to target a DeAndre/Gasol/Nene/Chandler. And if we get a SF/C, then we probably wait it out till next year and hope to draft Kabongo/Teague. We might also consider trading one of the picks for a young player/prospect like Rubio/Gallinari etc.

(Kyrie/Knight/Walker?)/Jose/Udrih
DeMar/Barbosa
(Perry/Williams/Barnes?)/Johnson/Garcia
Davis/Kleiza
(Kanter/Valanciunas?)/Amir/Alabi

[Indeed]

Davis/Kanter front court will lack quickness.
I prefer Davis/Valanciunas or Kanter/Bargnani. Of course, Valanciunas will work with Bargnani as well in the long term.

We will add an veteran C in the summer, so we can have more option at the C, but Kanter/Davis doesn't work to me, they don't seem to compliment each other.