Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

prototype · Post #1281 » by **prototype** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:30 pm

SwiftyV wrote:TheHoopsReport: Enes Kanter on what team he prefers to go to: "I like Minnesota, Washington and Cleveland."

Sounds like Turk got to him.

witnessraps · Post #1282 » by **witnessraps** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:30 pm

RaptorsInsider1 wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Has it gotten to the point where BC HAS to deal Bargnani? Unless it has (like it did with Ford, Caldy last offseason), I'm not sure he gets dealt.

We're going no where until he transforms into a shooting guard. He HAS to be dealt for us to do anything or even grow because he's just taking shots away from the younger guys at this point.

I don't see him going unfortunately If a big goes it's Johnson.

PF; Bargnani/ Davis
C: trade/free agent signing..

I just do not understand this. Amir Johnson is excellent defensively and he's going to end up being one of the best bench bigs in the NBA. I think some people don't realize we will continue to be the worst defensive team in the league every single year if we keep Bargnani. This is why he MUST be traded IMO.

Wo1verine · Post #1283 » by **Wo1verine** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Paul John 2 wrote:TheHoopsReport Ryan Feldman
Enes Kanter on what team he prefers to go to: "I like Minnesota, Washington and Cleveland."

That's fantastic.. I am glad he doesn't prefer Toronto!

fredericklove · Post #1284 » by **fredericklove** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:33 pm

nahom1319 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:Went over to the bismack bandwagon board last night ...they were talking about how optimistic they are on his offense saying his offensive skills will pan out in 3 yrs along with that DOY type defense....I say that's alot of BULL talk.

Thats odd.... you think the same staff that took a 5.6 ppg big to a 13 ppg in the span of 5 months can't at least make Bismack Biyombo at the very least passable? Then your so far up Kanter's @$$ that you can't see the light of day. I think both Bismack and Kanter have their skills and their flaws, I think they will both be good/great players in this league provided they get the opportunity. The fact that Bismack's skill currently lies on the defensive side of the ball resonates with me and that's why I want him on our team, but that does not mean I think any less of Kanter. Why this board feels the need to segregate themselves to each bandwagon is beyond me.

So why don't u put both kanter and bismack at 3 on ur draft board instead of kanter at 4 if u like them BOTH. I'm not far up on kanter's a$$ but the bismack fans refuse to come out of bismack's donkey a$$ and just kept glorify him as the next best thing...trust me they kiss bismack's a$$ more than anyone could imagine, perhaps they are so obsessed with him that they would even consider blowing him.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1285 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:34 pm

SwiftyV wrote:TheHoopsReport: Enes Kanter on what team he prefers to go to: "I like Minnesota, Washington and Cleveland."

I wouldn't read to much into this. His English is not the best and he just listed the teams at the top along with the big city in Washington. He doesn't seem like a Turkoglu personality at all.

Post #1286 » by **Rhettmatic** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:34 pm

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Derrick Williams was emphatic about the fact that he is a small forward in the interviews today. Repeated it over and over again.

fredericklove · Post #1287 » by **fredericklove** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:35 pm

prototype wrote:
SwiftyV wrote:TheHoopsReport: Enes Kanter on what team he prefers to go to: "I like Minnesota, Washington and Cleveland."

Sounds like Turk got to him.

I can see Jazz drafting him after hearing that quote...just to rub in his face

Silk Wilkes · Post #1288 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:35 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Derrick Williams was emphatic about the fact that he is a small forward in the interviews today. Repeated it over and over again.

If only BC finds a way to trade up for him I'd be smitten. A small forward is the only position that leaves no questions post-draft for us in terms of gluts, etc.

strudel forever · Post #1289 » by **strudel forever** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:37 pm

fredericklove wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:Bargnani for Varejuo is a credible deal for who, the raps? We have like 3 Varejuo on the team already. Bargs has to have more value than Varejuo in ya'all eyes, geez.

If you wanna make a splash do 2011 #5 + 2012 Unprotected + Ed Davis for D.Cousins and 2011 #7

2011 #5 + 2012 Unprotected + Ed Davis are good enough for an all-star player

Not to mention Davis to Cousins would be a straight downgrade.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1290 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:37 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:
Youngblood wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Has it gotten to the point where BC HAS to deal Bargnani? Unless it has (like it did with Ford, Caldy last offseason), I'm not sure he gets dealt.

We're going no where until he transforms into a shooting guard. He HAS to be dealt for us to do anything or even grow because he's just taking shots away from the younger guys at this point.

Or, we could bring him off the bench. Problem with that, though, is that it might hinder his trade value if he doesn't play well off the bench.

Heh, what a quandary BC has on his hands.

If he brings him off the bench, it will mean he hasn't been able to deal him. I don't think I've ever seen a situation where someone successfully goes from being a team's #1 option on offense to coming off the bench (well, besides an injury situation like Brandon Roy). Things only seem to work out once the player has been moved. It makes sense to cut the cord and regroup with a deal where we get a pick/young talent/cap savings (or perhaps getting a similar player from another team in the hopes that a change of scenery can make things work, but I don't see any appealing deals like that).

TheRealDeal · Post #1291 » by **TheRealDeal** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:38 pm

You guys watching the combine on NBATV? Chad Ford was just talking about us potentially drafting Val but there's still a lot of homework to be done.

nahom1319 · Post #1292 » by **nahom1319** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:39 pm

fredericklove wrote:
nahom1319 wrote:
fredericklove wrote:Went over to the bismack bandwagon board last night ...they were talking about how optimistic they are on his offense saying his offensive skills will pan out in 3 yrs along with that DOY type defense....I say that's alot of BULL talk.

Thats odd.... you think the same staff that took a 5.6 ppg big to a 13 ppg in the span of 5 months can't at least make Bismack Biyombo at the very least passable? Then your so far up Kanter's @$$ that you can't see the light of day. I think both Bismack and Kanter have their skills and their flaws, I think they will both be good/great players in this league provided they get the opportunity. The fact that Bismack's skill currently lies on the defensive side of the ball resonates with me and that's why I want him on our team, but that does not mean I think any less of Kanter. Why this board feels the need to segregate themselves to each bandwagon is beyond me.

So why don't u put both kanter and bismack at 3 on ur draft board instead of kanter at 4 if u like them BOTH. I'm not far up on kanter's a$$ but the bismack fans refuse to come out of bismack's donkey a$$ and just kept glorify him as the next best thing...trust me they kiss bismack's a$$ more than anyone could imagine, perhaps they are so obsessed with him that they would even consider blowing him.

You did read everything I wrote right??? I pretty much spelled out why, Bismack's main skill (i.e. his focus) is on the defensive end. I value his ability to produce on that end more then I do Kanter's ability to score.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1293 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:39 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:You guys watching the combine on NBATV? Chad Ford was just talking about us potentially drafting Val but there's still a lot of homework to be done.

it airs at 7pm EST here.

Silk Wilkes · Post #1294 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:39 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:You guys watching the combine on NBATV? Chad Ford was just talking about us potentially drafting Val but there's still a lot of homework to be done.

prototype · Post #1295 » by **prototype** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:40 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Derrick Williams was emphatic about the fact that he is a small forward in the interviews today. Repeated it over and over again.

I want him so bad!

T_Biggums · Post #1296 » by **T_Biggums** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:40 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Derrick Williams was emphatic about the fact that he is a small forward in the interviews today. Repeated it over and over again.

Of course he did because nobody want to use a top three pick on an undersized PF. His agent did his homework.

nahom1319 · Post #1297 » by **nahom1319** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:41 pm

Bryan doesn't have 2 years to wait for Val to get his but over here.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1298 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:42 pm

well, that was the position he used to play before college. I definitely can see him being more effective at SF than PF, much like Melo/Beasley are.

T_Biggums · Post #1299 » by **T_Biggums** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:43 pm

Youngblood wrote:
TheRealDeal wrote:You guys watching the combine on NBATV? Chad Ford was just talking about us potentially drafting Val but there's still a lot of homework to be done.

No chance BC knows better than that.

fredericklove · Post #1300 » by **fredericklove** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:45 pm

nahom1319 wrote:You did read everything I wrote right??? I pretty much spelled out why, Bismack's main skill (i.e. his focus) is on the defensive end. I value his ability to produce on that end more then I do Kanter's ability to score.

Sort of scanned thru it fast but yeah not really reading it entirely :lol:

coz I don't really care anymore, I wanna stay far and far away from the bismack vs. kanter debate coz I was stuck into the war room in the draft board the last 2 months endlessly debating on who's better who's not....I'm just glad Kanter is long gone now so I can focus onto other prospects.