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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5

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Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?

Anthony Davis
42
29%
Harrison Barnes
34
24%
Andre Drummond
7
5%
Perry Jones
2
1%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
22
15%
Quincy Miller
5
3%
Jeremy Lamb
23
16%
Jared Sullinger
1
1%
Bradley Beal
3
2%
Other
4
3%
 
Total votes: 143

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#1281 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:30 am

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5DOM wrote:I'd be okay with picking Barnes because I'm starting to like this draft less and less. Might as well go with the higher floor guy.


Depends where one slots his floor

A Wes Johnson Xavier Henry type start as someone who can do nothing off the dribble and aren't nearly the shooters they were scouted as and who trips up confidence wise, looks like Barnes floor to me. Being generous, would people be happy if we took him 3rd and he ended up as good as Chase Budinger is now? If being an athletic tall SF with elite shooting and good off ball smarts was all it took to be Granger, maybe Budinger would be Granger. Granger can do things on the ball and attack the basket

IMO high floor/low upside can mean "average talent" a lot of the time. And I think being an average talent picked high is the biggest thing that creates busts.

Beal can shoot the ball as well as Barnes and has a much more useable first step and attack the basket game. He's also a freshman and playing well which means something. I think Beal is the best offensive prospect of him, Barnes and MKG


You've seen the same light I have, except I still think Barnes is going to be a VERY good player. I think he's more of a structure guy, kind of like Bargnani, in that you give him direction, and he'll execute with the best of them. He'd be great in a triple threat setup in the NBA imo. Gregg Popovich would get the best out of this guy, honestly, and so would Casey for that matter, based on what he's gotten out of Bargnani, another guy who plays well within structure.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#1282 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:57 am

bloojoo wrote:I dont think rivers is a chucker, with dawkins running the point he's just doing what he's supposed to do, and that scoring (shooting 45% and 41% from three). He's got more upside than barnes imo although i wouldn't mind harrison barnes in a raps uniform.


That's exactly it, and he'll probably rise into the top-10 come draft night. Tony Wroten is a guy I think can be a huge steal though. He brings that epic swagger we need, and yes he gets high turnovers but so does Jeremy Lin at this point yet he's the talk of the town.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 5 

Post#1283 » by fredericklove » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:05 am

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I can't bro, that girl is my gift to Lin Lin, yes I worship him :D
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Post#1284 » by fredericklove » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:26 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:You've seen the same light I have, except I still think Barnes is going to be a VERY good player. I think he's more of a structure guy, kind of like Bargnani, in that you give him direction, and he'll execute with the best of them. He'd be great in a triple threat setup in the NBA imo. Gregg Popovich would get the best out of this guy, honestly, and so would Casey for that matter, based on what he's gotten out of Bargnani, another guy who plays well within structure.


Agree, and barnes's offensive repertoire is expanding, and he's smart enough to know how to get points off so he's going to do well in the nba compared to those weak seniors prospect budinger or johnson with limited scoring ability other than "shooting". Barnes's going to work really well in our half-court system, especially when you have Val who loves p&r, look at how good Barnes work with Henson/Zeller on the p&r plays...Barnes is really a good fit with our system...more so, I just think the doctor is bias because he only cares about having leonard or john henson being drafted in 2nd or 3rd pick, smh :o .
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Post#1285 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:27 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
bloojoo wrote:I dont think rivers is a chucker, with dawkins running the point he's just doing what he's supposed to do, and that scoring (shooting 45% and 41% from three). He's got more upside than barnes imo although i wouldn't mind harrison barnes in a raps uniform.


That's exactly it, and he'll probably rise into the top-10 come draft night. Tony Wroten is a guy I think can be a huge steal though. He brings that epic swagger we need, and yes he gets high turnovers but so does Jeremy Lin at this point yet he's the talk of the town.


I love Wroten too....I think he's gunna be a steal that teams regret passing on. I gotta admit that I'm not sure how he fits on our team BUT it's about stockpiling talent. As I say that he would have some pretty sweet dishes for Val and DeRozan off the dribble. My concern is that I think he would do best on a team that pushes the ball.

I think a lot of people are sleeping on him because he's being played out of position with Gaddy there. Some people will say that's bs but look how it effected Holiday's game in college and Wroten is another big PG that's pushed to SG out of necessity. I've already seen TW step up like a stud a few times this year that makes me think with a little discipline instilled that he can work out.

I think a coach like Casey could work...if we still had Triano then I wouldn't touch him with a 10ft pole. I seriously Wroten can be the Rondo of this draft.

Loved watching him battle Wall @ Crawford's game...he arguebly beat him
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Post#1286 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:36 am

Wroten is like the anti-Calderon, he's gonna collect turnovers but he won't take pound the rock literally either. I really hope we get him somehow, but then again Colangelo is scared to draft guys with egos.
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Post#1287 » by highness » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:48 am

^Yea it's annoying how BC is afraid to go after players who show any type of swagger or confidence like it's a bad thing.
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Post#1288 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:54 am

That's why I have major doubts he goes for a guy like Miller :( :(
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Post#1289 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:58 am

He just screws himself out of talent that way. Like have you won a championship using that strategy? No. I still can't believe he's the guy who drafted Amare Stoudamire. Was pops still part of the Suns back then?
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Post#1290 » by highness » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:01 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:He just screws himself out of talent that way. Like have you won a championship using that strategy? No. I still can't believe he's the guy who drafted Amare Stoudamire. Was pops still part of the Suns back then?

Rumour is BC wanted Nikoloz Tskitishvili but fortunately for him he got picked at 5th. BC actually acquired Nikoloz Tskitishvili back in 2006 when he was with the suns.
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Post#1291 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:04 am

highness wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:He just screws himself out of talent that way. Like have you won a championship using that strategy? No. I still can't believe he's the guy who drafted Amare Stoudamire. Was pops still part of the Suns back then?

Rumour is BC wanted Nikoloz Tskitishvili but fortunately for him he got picked at 5th and Amare was Papa colangelo's pick.


Judging by his recent draft history I believe that 100%. Andrea is the only one who even shows the slightest bit of fight in him, but you gotta beat it out of him. Colangelo fears alphas, he wants to deal with a bunch of yes men.
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Post#1292 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:12 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:He just screws himself out of talent that way. Like have you won a championship using that strategy? No. I still can't believe he's the guy who drafted Amare Stoudamire. Was pops still part of the Suns back then?


I could be wrong but I do think JC was still around then.

It's also that view point of players that makes me wonder if he would even draft MKG. Not that Gilchrist has any "attitude" but he's not as clean cut as Barnes, Lamb or Beal. Which works out fine for me but if he's chosing between MKG vs PJ3; I think he goes for Perry and I love all the talent the kid has but he just screams role player to me.

To clarify I think Kidd will be one too but arguebly the best role player in the league where you may question if he actually borders on being a star....PJ3 just seems like he's going to be Odom. Where one night you're blown away by his performance and the next throwing **** at your TV in disgust in how lazy he looks out there. Transplant MKG's personality into PJ3 and you have THE best player in years.
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Post#1293 » by tdotrep2 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:13 am

Homer Jay wrote:
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SkywalkerAC wrote:Really wish that we were in a better position to draft HB rather than having to pray to the gods of the lotto. I think he could step in and not only start but lead us on a playoff run as a rookie on a young team. A Valanciunas pick and roll spaced by Barnes and AB would be unstoppable.


Lead us to a play-off run?


Oh Yeah... honestly if Bargs was here the whole season, we would very likely be in one now. With the possibilities of players like Dwight and Dwill moving to the Western Conf, as well as the Celts blowing it up, and Milly looking at a rebuild, it might not be hard to make the playoffs next year at all.


I understand that, I also understand it would be bargs and Jose leading us.
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Post#1294 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:21 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:He just screws himself out of talent that way. Like have you won a championship using that strategy? No. I still can't believe he's the guy who drafted Amare Stoudamire. Was pops still part of the Suns back then?


I could be wrong but I do think JC was still around then.

It's also that view point of players that makes me wonder if he would even draft MKG. Not that Gilchrist has any "attitude" but he's not as clean cut as Barnes, Lamb or Beal. Which works out fine for me but if he's chosing between MKG vs PJ3; I think he goes for Perry and I love all the talent the kid has but he just screams role player to me.

To clarify I think Kidd will be one too but arguebly the best role player in the league where you may question if he actually borders on being a star....PJ3 just seems like he's going to be Odom. Where one night you're blown away by his performance and the next throwing **** at your TV in disgust in how lazy he looks out there. Transplant MKG's personality into PJ3 and you have THE best player in years.


I'm cool with any of those guys outside of Jones, he screams bust to me. But not to hate on Barnes, Lamb, Beal or MKG but I'm tired of these clean cut guys. I'm not saying I want the second coming of the Jailblazers or anything, but can we at least have an attitude? All of the top teams know they're coming into the game that night to win whether it happens or not, while the Raps seem to ask if it's ok if they win or not.
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Post#1295 » by highness » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:27 am

Well I wouldn't really consider DeRozan a clean cut guy. Dude is from Compton after all. Remember when he stepped over Avery Bradley in the 2nd pre season game earlier this year? That was lawls.
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Post#1296 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:30 am

highness wrote:Well I wouldn't really consider DeRozan a clean cut guy. Dude is from Compton after all. Remember when he stepped over Avery Bradley in the 2nd pre season game earlier this year? That was lawls.


He might as well have been born in the Hamptons, he's really "clean". I'm talking about a guy who will take your lunch money and have you smiling about it. Guys like Kenyon Martin, Stephen Jackson, Dwyane Wade, etc. Not too many guys start it up with them.
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Post#1297 » by highness » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:33 am

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highness wrote:Well I wouldn't really consider DeRozan a clean cut guy. Dude is from Compton after all. Remember when he stepped over Avery Bradley in the 2nd pre season game earlier this year? That was lawls.


He might as well have been born in the Hamptons, he's really "clean". I'm talking about a guy who will take your lunch money and have you smiling about it. Guys like Kenyon Martin, Stephen Jackson, Dwyane Wade, etc. Not too many guys start it up with them.

Well he did bring in Jermaine O'neal for half a season. That was a nice change of pace from your typical BC type player. He added so much toughness to our team. Too bad it only lasted for a couple months though.
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Post#1298 » by C_Money » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:37 am

I'm not worried about BC passing on guys for non baskeball related reasons. He's already on thin ice with this 2 year deal he signed.
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Post#1299 » by Marlo Stanfield » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:39 am

highness wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
highness wrote:Well I wouldn't really consider DeRozan a clean cut guy. Dude is from Compton after all. Remember when he stepped over Avery Bradley in the 2nd pre season game earlier this year? That was lawls.


He might as well have been born in the Hamptons, he's really "clean". I'm talking about a guy who will take your lunch money and have you smiling about it. Guys like Kenyon Martin, Stephen Jackson, Dwyane Wade, etc. Not too many guys start it up with them.

Well he did bring in Jermaine O'neal for half a season. That was a nice change of pace from your typical BC type player. Too bad it only lasted for a couple months though.


JO was a nice add, but then Bryan ruined it by giving him to the Heat to help them get the cap space needed to steal our star. Clearly, he ceased to plan for the future and it cost us big. All I'm saying is, I don't have faith he'll draft anyone with any outward cockiness at all.
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Post#1300 » by JamesNaismith » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:40 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:I'm cool with any of those guys outside of Jones, he screams bust to me. But not to hate on Barnes, Lamb, Beal or MKG but I'm tired of these clean cut guys. I'm not saying I want the second coming of the Jailblazers or anything, but can we at least have an attitude? All of the top teams know they're coming into the game that night to win whether it happens or not, while the Raps seem to ask if it's ok if they win or not.


I think what you're really getting at is this team is missing SWAGGER/CONFIDENCE

We have absolutely ZERO on this team. I like that we found some younger guys that wanna fight and play hard but I agree 100% that they're missing that. I want a player (or two) that has "that" confidence that they believer they are and their team is the best and that they can win any game they're in. A (or some) player(s) that make the team believe anything is possible and will stand up to their opponents and also stomp them down when they're winning.

That's personally why I like Quincy even more besides being the most skilled SF in this draft but of course he needs to get all his quickness back (before anyone says it, not saying he's DRose out there but he was definitely quicker then what he's been in college so far). I can't blame us for not taking him if we're in the top 5 or so (unless again he gets back to speed) but I'm dying to trade DeMar, Davis, whoever to get him with a second. My dream scenario for Quincy would be getting MKG and trading to get him as well....they had a good competitive rivalry in HS for who was the top player before AD emerged and I think that would translate into an amazing chemistry on court.

FA
MKG (our pick)
Miller (trade Davis or DD if necessary)
Bargnani
Valanciunas

..and I'm ecstatic (because this is something I can see as possible). There are other combos I would love too but I think our team could make this happen if Colangelo had the fortitude to do it but sadly brings it back to the topic at hand :(

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