Official Scottie Barnes Thread 3

[Nebuchadnezzar]

That 3pointer is looking way better, and his handle looks a lot tighter. He's out there playing with vets and he still looks physically dominant.

his shot looks similar to last year but more confident
hopefully it means opponents can't sag off him

If you look at both clips of his shot - the first looks like his form from last year - where is hands are too out in front of him on the gather for the shot. The clip at the end his shot is tighter. When players display fluctuations in their forms shot by shot, tells me they are in the midst of making adaptations to their shot.

With Scotties growth trajectory, he may round in to form by the season - but it will still be a work in progress I think.

[PoundTown]

That 3pointer is looking way better, and his handle looks a lot tighter. He's out there playing with vets and he still looks physically dominant.

his shot looks similar to last year but more confident
hopefully it means opponents can't sag off him

I'd be stoked if he could hit 35 percent on 4 attempts per game this year. And while the shot does look similar, especially the footwork, the actual follow through looks a lot better, and the wrist movement.

[anotherhomer]

That 3pointer is looking way better, and his handle looks a lot tighter. He's out there playing with vets and he still looks physically dominant.

his shot looks similar to last year but more confident
hopefully it means opponents can't sag off him

If you look at both clips of his shot - the first looks like his form from last year - where is hands are too out in front of him on the gather for the shot. The clip at the end his shot is tighter. When players display fluctuations in their forms shot by shot, tells me they are in the midst of making adaptations to their shot.

With Scotties growth trajectory, he may round in to form by the season - but it will still be a work in progress I think.

that's a good observation
there was something about it, that gave a sense he still continue to struggle with his shot

as excited i am about scottie could take that superstar leap
there's something that tells me he will make incremental improvements this year

[Badonkadonk]

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Point guard or initiating the offence? Typically we have 2-3 ball handlers on the floor at any point in time to give multiple options to initiate with advantage.

Barnes will see his USG% increase from 19% last year as FVV slides more into an off-ball and shooting-heavy role. Any time that Pascal or Barnes are initating the offence, they're going to be drawing help defenders and creating space on the perimeter. In the Rico Hines runs (not a great measure), Barnes was getting anything he wanted -- inside or perimeter -- so expect the help defenders will be coming for him this year. Like Pascal a few years ago, Barnes will go through the learning curve.

Disappointed but not surprised media types are fixated on who the "PG" is and just ignoring the nuance of how the offense runs in the half-court, the Raps' philosophy of pushing transition (i.e. whoever rebounds has the freedom to rush and create disadvantage) etc.

Barnes is going to be a monster, but he needs real game experience to develop his ability to make reads on both ends to go with his god-given physical attributes and natural talents. He doesn't have the natural feel that a Luka does on offense.

I'm sure he'll get his reps in set plays, but am expecting the absolute toxicity of the fanbase when they see Pascal initiating or Fred making reads.

[OakleyDokely]

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Point guard or initiating the offence? Typically we have 2-3 ball handlers on the floor at any point in time to give multiple options to initiate with advantage.

Barnes will see his USG% increase from 19% last year as FVV slides more into an off-ball and shooting-heavy role. Any time that Pascal or Barnes are initating the offence, they're going to be drawing help defenders and creating space on the perimeter. In the Rico Hines runs (not a great measure), Barnes was getting anything he wanted -- inside or perimeter -- so expect the help defenders will be coming for him this year. Like Pascal a few years ago, Barnes will go through the learning curve.

Disappointed but not surprised media types are fixated on who the "PG" is and just ignoring the nuance of how the offense runs in the half-court, the Raps' philosophy of pushing transition (i.e. whoever rebounds has the freedom to rush and create disadvantage) etc.

Barnes is going to be a monster, but he needs real game experience to develop his ability to make reads on both ends to go with his god-given physical attributes and natural talents. He doesn't have the natural feel that a Luka does on offense.

I'm sure he'll get his reps in set plays, but am expecting the absolute toxicity of the fanbase when they see Pascal initiating or Fred making reads.

The Raps don't even have a designated "point guard". Like you mentioned, the guy that grabs the rebound is instructed to grab and go in transition. The Raps primary offensive initiator / ballhandler in the halfcourt is Siakam and it took some time for him to develop into a lead role.

While Barnes is a good passer in transition, good at finding the cutter or open man when he's doubled, he's still very raw in terms of his actual playmaking in halfcourt sets, including the PnR. People are going to be disappointed if they think he's going to be used like a typical PG of the 90s because that's just not how the Raps are set-up to play even if Barnes was fully developed.

[brownbobcat]

Disappointed but not surprised media types are fixated on who the "PG" is and just ignoring the nuance of how the offense runs in the half-court, the Raps' philosophy of pushing transition (i.e. whoever rebounds has the freedom to rush and create disadvantage) etc.

Barnes is going to be a monster, but he needs real game experience to develop his ability to make reads on both ends to go with his god-given physical attributes and natural talents. He doesn't have the natural feel that a Luka does on offense.

I'm sure he'll get his reps in set plays, but am expecting the absolute toxicity of the fanbase when they see Pascal initiating or Fred making reads.

I think the far more interesting question is about "what" the PG is, not which specific player, and how this team plans to create mismatches in the half court. Scottie's outside shot (and handle) hampers him a bit right now as the initiator in PnR action. Now, is it critical for him to take on that role? Not necessarily, Toronto could operate him more from the high post similar to Jokic and utilize his instinctive vision. We already know he can make good reads as the short roller.

[OakleyDokely]

Disappointed but not surprised media types are fixated on who the "PG" is and just ignoring the nuance of how the offense runs in the half-court, the Raps' philosophy of pushing transition (i.e. whoever rebounds has the freedom to rush and create disadvantage) etc.

Barnes is going to be a monster, but he needs real game experience to develop his ability to make reads on both ends to go with his god-given physical attributes and natural talents. He doesn't have the natural feel that a Luka does on offense.

I'm sure he'll get his reps in set plays, but am expecting the absolute toxicity of the fanbase when they see Pascal initiating or Fred making reads.

I think the far more interesting question is about "what" the PG is, not which specific player, and how this team plans to create mismatches in the half court. Scottie's outside shot (and handle) hampers him a bit right now as the initiator in PnR action. Now, is it critical for him to take on that role? Not necessarily, Toronto could operate him more from the high post similar to Jokic and utilize his instinctive vision. We already know he can make good reads as the short roller.

They do a lot of dribble handoff stuff, but Nurse mentioned in an interview that they really like to matchup hunt. When you're playing Barnes/OG/Siakam all at the same time, it's unlikely the opposing team has the personnel to matchup with all three, especially in the post. If Barnes' offense gets to the point where he requires consistent doubles like Siakam, that opens up so much for the Raptors offensively because Siakam and Barnes are are good passers.

[brownbobcat]

They do a lot of dribble handoff stuff, but Nurse mentioned in an interview that they really like to matchup hunt. When you're playing Barnes/OG/Siakam all at the same time, it's unlikely the opposing team has the personnel to matchup with all three, especially in the post. If Barnes' offense gets to the point where he requires consistent doubles like Siakam, that opens up so much for the Raptors offensively because Siakam and Barnes are are good passers.

I'd like to see them do more cutting off Scottie, he's the best passer of that group by far and doesn't require a double to find the open man. He's also got the most potential as an iso threat but he definitely needs to make the jumper a weapon. OG & Precious do better attacking off motion & closeouts, but defences can tighten up on that in a 7-game series.

[OakleyDokely]

The meme has literally happened. He added 10-15 lbs of muscle.

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[canada_dry]

Scottie's first step is nothing impressive, rather slow. He shares an agent with Luka, wish he'd workout with Luka when he's not with Slovenian national team instead of hanging out with the rest of the Raptors.

Right. Because lukas first step and explosiveness is AMAZING, he could show scottie a thing or two about that....lol

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[Reeko]

Scottie's first step is nothing impressive, rather slow. He shares an agent with Luka, wish he'd workout with Luka when he's not with Slovenian national team instead of hanging out with the rest of the Raptors.

Right. Because lukas first step and explosiveness is AMAZING, he could show scottie a thing or two about that....lol

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That’s his point though. Luka isn’t amazing at those things, yet by using his body and changing his pace he is able to get to the rim at will.

[DAcReator]

Scottie's first step is nothing impressive, rather slow. He shares an agent with Luka, wish he'd workout with Luka when he's not with Slovenian national team instead of hanging out with the rest of the Raptors.

Right. Because lukas first step and explosiveness is AMAZING, he could show scottie a thing or two about that....lol

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Dont think he meant it like that. Rather, how to harness craftiness and body control to accommodate for lack of explosiveness, AS Luka does

[brownbobcat]

Scottie's first step is nothing impressive, rather slow. He shares an agent with Luka, wish he'd workout with Luka when he's not with Slovenian national team instead of hanging out with the rest of the Raptors.

Right. Because lukas first step and explosiveness is AMAZING, he could show scottie a thing or two about that....lol

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That’s his point though. Luka isn’t amazing at those things, yet by using his body and changing his pace he is able to get to the rim at will.

Luka's one of the hardest players in the league to emulate in that his skill level is so high and he strings together a lot of little things to create his advantages.

[tdotrep2]

Lukas first step is decent, its his hesitations and knowing when to go. Scottie could definitely learn a thing or two by watching him. The issue is tho, Luka has the ball... Even watching the Rico runs, its **** siakam and delano dribbling the **** outta it, we need the kid to have the ball. He has the most potential with it and his passing could be near the top of the league, we could literally build an offence off of him.

Im scared next year it will be a minimal increase only. Too many cooks.

[Madhouse]

Barnes first step actually looks a lot better and quicker in these videos than last season.

[DreamTeam09]

It's not like Barnes has issues getting to the rim, he's always going to have a size/coordination advantage on his opponent. No player is perfect

[aminiaturebuddha]

While Barnes is a good passer in transition, good at finding the cutter or open man when he's doubled, he's still very raw in terms of his actual playmaking in halfcourt sets, including the PnR. People are going to be disappointed if they think he's going to be used like a typical PG of the 90s because that's just not how the Raps are set-up to play even if Barnes was fully developed.

Yep, he still has some growth left in that area for sure. There was a recent podcast with Samson Folk and Ben Pfeifer where they talked about how Scottie's second-level playmaking is still fairly pedestrian, and a bit behind some of his other skills on offence.

I have no doubt that he'll improve that significantly over the next couple of years, he's too smart of a player and too hard of a worker not to, but I think the Raptors right now are doing a great job of not forcing the issue, but yet still putting him in the position to develop for the future, and succeed in the situations he's placed in at the moment.

For now, he'll still make things easier for his teammates by being more of a reactive passer, as he plays with other playmakers like Pascal and Fred, who at this point are able to manipulate defences to create passing opportunities a bit better than Scottie can.

[HumbleRen]

It'll be easier for Scottie to be a playmaker once the defense starts respecting him as a scorer. It's much easier to be a great playmaker when you get more attention on that end, he'll be able to punish/manipulate the defense if they decide to double team him.

I easily see him averaging 6 assists once he's a legitimate threat on the offence.

[Klayforspicy]

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The amount of belief that the basketball world has for this kid it would be very tragic if he winded up busting ala Tyreke Evans