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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1281 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:36 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:He's stepped into the Lowry role as the face of the franchise in terms of a leadership role and media PR role.


Fair enough although I don't think Lowry was ever a media PR role guy.

An undersized PG who wants a bigger role and more money despite his play falling off a cliff over the span of a year should be a no brainer trade then right ?


Why? The way you characterize him he seems like he wouldn't be very valuable to the Raptors or to another team.

Watch when they don't trade him.


Again, the logic isn't there on this one. If he's bad for the Raptors, he makes the Raptors look bad. The media criticizes the Raptors when they play bad, so their incentivized to make the best decision that leads to team success and not public optics. If they don't trade him they likely know a lot more than you or I about the actual value he brings to the team and they think they can get him at a deal that he can earn or outproduce.


I'm asking you why would the team decide to keep him if his play is falling off and he wants more money.

You're not really giving me a good anwser lol.
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Post#1282 » by HangTime » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:27 pm

Could we get a Couple picks to take on Chris Paul's contract?

I would have Paul play a few games, but be more of mentor for the rest of the year.

Practice, teach, get healthy.

Then next year, you really see what he can do.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1283 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:33 pm

HangTime wrote:Could we get a Couple picks to take on Chris Paul's contract?

I would have Paul play a few games, but be more of mentor for the rest of the year.

Practice, teach, get healthy.

Then next year, you really see what he can do.


Sure. For 3 unprotected picks and Cam Johnson.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1284 » by Spida888 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:02 pm

HangTime wrote:Could we get a Couple picks to take on Chris Paul's contract?

I would have Paul play a few games, but be more of mentor for the rest of the year.

Practice, teach, get healthy.

Then next year, you really see what he can do.

I'd be down with swapping Paul with Fred if we get multiple picks :D. The mentorship for Scottie will be a bonus.

15.8M of Paul's contract is guaranteed next year, we don't need to pay the rest if he's waived before June 28, 2023.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1285 » by Los_29 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:05 pm

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HangTime wrote:Could we get a Couple picks to take on Chris Paul's contract?

I would have Paul play a few games, but be more of mentor for the rest of the year.

Practice, teach, get healthy.

Then next year, you really see what he can do.

I'd be down with swapping Paul with Fred if we get multiple picks :D. The mentorship for Scottie will be a bonus.

15.8M of Paul's contract is guaranteed next year, we don't need to pay the rest if he's waived before June 28, 2023.


I'm a huge fan of CP3 but don't a lot of players dislike CP3? I actually think he would be a disaster for a player like Scottie. LOL.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1286 » by Spida888 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:14 pm

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Spida888 wrote:
HangTime wrote:Could we get a Couple picks to take on Chris Paul's contract?

I would have Paul play a few games, but be more of mentor for the rest of the year.

Practice, teach, get healthy.

Then next year, you really see what he can do.

I'd be down with swapping Paul with Fred if we get multiple picks :D. The mentorship for Scottie will be a bonus.

15.8M of Paul's contract is guaranteed next year, we don't need to pay the rest if he's waived before June 28, 2023.


I'm a huge fan of CP3 but don't a lot of players dislike CP3? I actually think he would be a disaster for a player like Scottie. LOL.

CP3 can definitely be a dirty player sometimes, but I don't think he's a notorious locker room cancer? SGA got mentored by Chris Paul for a year and had good things to say about him.
https://www.nba.com/news/shai-gilgeous-alexander-chris-paul-shared-bond
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1287 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:16 pm

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ATLTimekeeper wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:He's stepped into the Lowry role as the face of the franchise in terms of a leadership role and media PR role.


Fair enough although I don't think Lowry was ever a media PR role guy.

An undersized PG who wants a bigger role and more money despite his play falling off a cliff over the span of a year should be a no brainer trade then right ?


Why? The way you characterize him he seems like he wouldn't be very valuable to the Raptors or to another team.

Watch when they don't trade him.


Again, the logic isn't there on this one. If he's bad for the Raptors, he makes the Raptors look bad. The media criticizes the Raptors when they play bad, so their incentivized to make the best decision that leads to team success and not public optics. If they don't trade him they likely know a lot more than you or I about the actual value he brings to the team and they think they can get him at a deal that he can earn or outproduce.


I'm asking you why would the team decide to keep him if his play is falling off and he wants more money.

You're not really giving me a good anwser lol.


There's one logic: the Raptors re-sign Fred because they think he's a good player and believe he can bounce back and outplay or earn his deal.

And then there's: the Raptors re-sign Fred because they've already told the public that he's the leader and even though that's not the case, they don't want to look bad.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1288 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:19 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Fair enough although I don't think Lowry was ever a media PR role guy.



Why? The way you characterize him he seems like he wouldn't be very valuable to the Raptors or to another team.



Again, the logic isn't there on this one. If he's bad for the Raptors, he makes the Raptors look bad. The media criticizes the Raptors when they play bad, so their incentivized to make the best decision that leads to team success and not public optics. If they don't trade him they likely know a lot more than you or I about the actual value he brings to the team and they think they can get him at a deal that he can earn or outproduce.


I'm asking you why would the team decide to keep him if his play is falling off and he wants more money.

You're not really giving me a good anwser lol.


There's one logic: the Raptors re-sign Fred because they think he's a good player and believe he can bounce back and outplay or earn his deal.

And then there's: the Raptors re-sign Fred because they've already told the public that he's the leader and even though that's not the case, they don't want to look bad.


So a year of playing below par and they reward him with a big new contract.

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Post#1289 » by goinrogue » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:20 pm

I think if you’re this bad, re-building is the only option. It’s not a talent issue, the guys play like they don’t like each other. That to me means you need an overhaul. I’ll be disappointed if both Fred and pascal remain.
If your leader has your team playing with no chemistry at all on defence, it’s time to change leadership.
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Post#1290 » by Psubs » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:21 pm

goinrogue wrote:I think if you’re this bad, re-building is the only option. It’s not a talent issue, the guys play like they don’t like each other. That to me means you need an overhaul. I’ll be disappointed if both Fred and pascal remain.


Is Thaddeus getting DNP's because of the argument with Scottie? Scottie is putting up 19.5ppg in January.
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Post#1291 » by Tor_Raps » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:31 pm

Fred for Daniels + Hayes + Graham is a deal that needs to happen. That's 3 players who will not be part of their playoff rotation for a starting level PG.
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Post#1292 » by Los_29 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:32 pm

Spida888 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
Spida888 wrote:I'd be down with swapping Paul with Fred if we get multiple picks :D. The mentorship for Scottie will be a bonus.

15.8M of Paul's contract is guaranteed next year, we don't need to pay the rest if he's waived before June 28, 2023.


I'm a huge fan of CP3 but don't a lot of players dislike CP3? I actually think he would be a disaster for a player like Scottie. LOL.

CP3 can definitely be a dirty player sometimes, but I don't think he's a notorious locker room cancer? SGA got mentored by Chris Paul for a year and had good things to say about him.
https://www.nba.com/news/shai-gilgeous-alexander-chris-paul-shared-bond


Yeah, a lot of players dislike him though. He's not for everyone. He's very old school and will tell it like it is. For a young player like Scottie that could be a good thing or that kind of tough love can be a bad thing. Depends more on Scottie.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1293 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:35 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:Fred for Daniels + Hayes + Graham is a deal that needs to happen. That's 3 players who will not be part of their playoff rotation for a starting level PG.


This would be ideal.
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Post#1294 » by islandboy53 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:06 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Sidthekid87 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:You dont pay 25m to one dimensional player. Trent lights out but value isnt there anymore at that number.


He has a desire to get better and is 24. That's the kind of guy you pay. It's either him getting 25 or Fred getting 32-35. I wouldn't give Fred more then 15 million if I had my way.


I wouldnt give either that money.


Agreed. Fred's been given the keys for 2 seasons now, and has shown that he just isn't the guy. You can blame that on the supporting cast as much as you want, but I think it's easier to build around the rest of the core using pieces you can get for him than trade a different art of the core and build around Fred. Same kind of reasoning applies to Gary. Time to move on from both if we can.
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Post#1295 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:27 pm

whats funny is that the media behind the scenes (devlin, paul jones, eric smith and now Leo) are now critisizing this team and calling for trades / tank. It started beginning of the week.

During games this talk is no where to be found, not even criticism of players for their play.

Late to the party boys

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/rautins-if-this-was-my-team-no-one-would-be-safe-1.1908735.

also nice little add on from leo: "masai and presti dont have the greatest working relationship from what iv seen" lol which makes sense, masai took a shot at him end of yr presser.
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Post#1296 » by WuTang_CMB » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:04 pm

https://theathletic.com/4107795/2023/01/20/nba-trade-deadline-big-board-predictions/

Gary Trent Jr.
Trent Jr., 24, can be an unrestricted free agent this summer after the Toronto Raptors gave him a three-year, $52 million deal two years ago with a player option on Year 3. And it’s a pretty simple equation for Trent Jr. He’s an extremely effective third or fourth option for an offense, but he’s not going to really contribute as a rebounder or passer. Defensively, he’s good in matchups where he can use his strength to body up offensive players but a bit worse when faced with any sort of quickness. Getting him for a playoff run while also getting his Bird rights is worth at least a first-round pick plus something else. — Vecenie


Several franchises are still deciding if they will even consider putting key players on the block, which would indicate a fundamental change in their directions. It makes sense to discuss those situations separately, as many (if not all) of those big names will not be available at all. We’re calling this group “The Ifs.” If these players become available, it would fundamentally change this trade deadline and the overall league landscape.

Trade Big Board: The 'Ifs'

DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine
GM Artūras Karnišovas and the Bulls could turn the trade deadline on its head by putting one or both of their biggest stars on the block. DeRozan and LaVine would each be the highest-profile player on the market. Both are under contract beyond this season, so neither would be a rental. Still, the current feeling is that the Bulls will keep their core together, so the potential availability of DeRozan and/or LaVine is more of a curiosity than a probability. (Even if I and others believe they should be selling this deadline.) — Leroux

O.G. Anunoby
If the Raptors decide to make Anunoby available, he would immediately become the most popular player on the market due to his age and skill set. Anunoby is a top wing stopper who should be on one of the All-Defense teams this season. He’s disruptive, strong enough to absorb contact and can switch across the positional spectrum.

He also is developing into an offensive weapon, averaging 18 points per game on 47 percent from the field and 37 percent from 3, and has become far more comfortable attacking off the dribble and in ball screens. At 25, he still hasn’t hit his ceiling as a player, and teams would have him for two potential playoff runs before he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If the Raptors decide to entertain trades, the price tag should be at least two premium draft picks and a player, or potentially even three premium picks. He fits on every team in the NBA. — Vecenie



Fred VanVleet
VanVleet’s availability depends on the direction the Raptors end up taking. If they decide it’s time to give up the postseason chase and take a bit of a step back, VanVleet is tailor-made to hit the trade market. He’s about to turn 29 and is on a de facto expiring contract — he almost certainly won’t exercise his $22 million player option for next year, since he’ll get more money guaranteed over a longer term on the open market, even as he’s mired in one of the worst shooting slumps of his career.

Speaking of, what’s going on there? It’s not his pull-up shooting: he’s making 33.1 percent of his pull-up 3s this year, not all that different from his 34 percent average the last two years. The catch-and-shoot numbers, however, have cratered. He’s making only 33.8 percent of those after nailing more than 40 percent on such shots over the last two seasons combined. If you believe the tide will turn and VanVleet didn’t suddenly forget how to shoot, he offers teams a great buy-low opportunity. However, there is concern VanVleet has been overworked in the last four years. Despite suffering nagging knee and hip injuries, VanVleet has finished in the top 10 in minutes per game in each of those seasons while playing in an aggressive defensive system. Regardless, VanVleet would be attractive on the trade market for a number of teams looking for a starting guard. — Vecenie

Russell Westbrook
This “if” is less about the player and more about whether his team wants to make a big swing. Westbrook was on the block all summer and was nearly traded before training camp before his off-the-bench mini-resurgence quieted the torrent of rumors. If the Lakers decide to pursue a significant move at the deadline, it likely must involve Westbrook, as the only other players on the roster making over $13 million are cornerstones LeBron James and Anthony Davis. There is a path involving the Lakers including both Patrick Beverley and Kendrick Nunn in a trade, but that package can only bring back a player (or players) making $22.8 million or less, and it would presumably add to the Lakers’ luxury-tax bill.

Westbrook has embraced his new bench role but is still an awkward fit around the Lakers’ stars. His $47.1 million expiring contract provides a way for the Lakers to add multiple talented players in one move, though it will likely cost them at least one of their two tradeable future first-round picks. Would Lakers GM Rob Pelinka prefer to trade Westbrook for player(s) on long-term contracts or let his deal expire to help create roughly $34 million in cap space this summer? — Leroux
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Post#1297 » by YogurtProducer » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:25 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
This FO are cowards if they’re worried about the optics.
Masai hasn’t worried about optics in the past. He stuck with Casey through multiple playoff embarrassments and he also traded Demar who was universally loved.

He’ll do what he thinks is best for the team.


An once in a life time trade isn’t coming through that door to save the FO.

He was about to run it back again with Demar, don’t forget that.

Masai and the FO isn’t as proactive as people like to make them sound like.

Masai has been patient his entire career. I don’t think we should knock him for not making wholesale changes just to make changes.

It wasn’t like we were a bad team back then who absolutely had to make moves. And this is coming from a guy who strongly wanted Demar gone. It would’ve been very easy to panic and trade Demar for a lot less than Kawhi and he wouldn’t have been blamed for it
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Post#1298 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:08 pm

Think the only possible way to get a player and a pick for Gary is the Knicks.
If we really moving OG you try and create a bidding war between Pels and Kings
Fred's options are Phx, Orlando and Pelicans too maybe somebody left field
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Post#1299 » by Indeed » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:42 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
Fair enough although I don't think Lowry was ever a media PR role guy.



Why? The way you characterize him he seems like he wouldn't be very valuable to the Raptors or to another team.



Again, the logic isn't there on this one. If he's bad for the Raptors, he makes the Raptors look bad. The media criticizes the Raptors when they play bad, so their incentivized to make the best decision that leads to team success and not public optics. If they don't trade him they likely know a lot more than you or I about the actual value he brings to the team and they think they can get him at a deal that he can earn or outproduce.


I'm asking you why would the team decide to keep him if his play is falling off and he wants more money.

You're not really giving me a good anwser lol.


There's one logic: the Raptors re-sign Fred because they think he's a good player and believe he can bounce back and outplay or earn his deal.

And then there's: the Raptors re-sign Fred because they've already told the public that he's the leader and even though that's not the case, they don't want to look bad.


More like we will be treating VanVleet similar to the situation to Lowry.
If he is getting more than the value we want to pay, we will try to do a S&T over the off season.

Wouldn't be surprised we try to acquire a stretch C for him to have better at rim finishing, but his inability to create off the PnR is evidence on our half court (our PnR ranked in the near bottom?), and the majority of the PnR handlers play his position (unless Barnes can shoot and step up to that role), so the team construction is rather difficult to find complimentary player (at both stretch C and rim pressure wing/big guard) for him.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread 

Post#1300 » by Kinger95 » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:05 pm

Nick nurse runs our starters into the ground and they all play tons of minutes to pad stats more than any other team but i honestly am wondering home many thousands of minutes we need to see of each starter to realize our team sucks
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