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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V4.0 

Post#1281 » by CPT » Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:00 am

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Gday_eh wrote:Australia is on a high after beating Spain and are full of belief they can beat us as well.

My main concern is how we handle the Giddey / Landale combination, but we handled Greece with Giannis (albeit he got his points) so I'm sure Fernandez will have a plan to deal with them.

I am pretty concerned with this game. Too many 'experts' trashed the Giddey trade and I find the reverse on the dominant opinion on podcasts to be pretty predictive. Can definitely see them losing this and suddenly having their backs against the wall vs Spain. Hopefully they come out with max intensity.


What does this mean?

Any examples?
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Post#1282 » by Zeno » Tue Jul 30, 2024 11:52 am

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Zeno wrote:
Gday_eh wrote:Australia is on a high after beating Spain and are full of belief they can beat us as well.

My main concern is how we handle the Giddey / Landale combination, but we handled Greece with Giannis (albeit he got his points) so I'm sure Fernandez will have a plan to deal with them.

I am pretty concerned with this game. Too many 'experts' trashed the Giddey trade and I find the reverse on the dominant opinion on podcasts to be pretty predictive. Can definitely see them losing this and suddenly having their backs against the wall vs Spain. Hopefully they come out with max intensity.


What does this mean?

Any examples?

Take Giddey for example since I am drawing a blank from last offseason though I know there are examples. People trashed that move constantly but I bet he'll end up going crazy this year.
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Post#1283 » by mathgeek » Tue Jul 30, 2024 12:14 pm

I've been very surprised with the international referees this olympics they have been calling a lot of fouls including touch fouls that they never used to in FIBA before. This plays to our advantage. I wonder if the NBA and Euroleague put pressure on FIBA to call more fouls so that players do not get injured.
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Post#1284 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:18 pm

mathgeek wrote:I've been very surprised with the international referees this olympics they have been calling a lot of fouls including touch fouls that they never used to in FIBA before. This plays to our advantage. I wonder if the NBA and Euroleague put pressure on FIBA to call more fouls so that players do not get injured.


It's the NBA, not the EuroLeague. The EuroLeague has 0 votes on the FIBA committee, while the NBA has 8 votes. No other entity on the FIBA board has more than 1 vote. So the NBA can pretty much dictate things like this completely.
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Post#1285 » by Kingsway_fan » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:29 pm

Another fabulous game from RJ...
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Post#1286 » by DaFroMan » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:36 pm

As expected. Once canada gaurds dug in they pretty much neutralized giddy and mills.

Birch missed some bunnies early but once he got his feet under him his roles to the basket and being in the right place were big down the stretch. I think you gotta go with a birch/Powell rotation. Olynyk just too slow.

An outright win or a close loss vs spain wins us the group.
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Post#1287 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:38 pm

Zeno wrote:
CPT wrote:
Zeno wrote:I am pretty concerned with this game. Too many 'experts' trashed the Giddey trade and I find the reverse on the dominant opinion on podcasts to be pretty predictive. Can definitely see them losing this and suddenly having their backs against the wall vs Spain. Hopefully they come out with max intensity.


What does this mean?

Any examples?

Take Giddey for example since I am drawing a blank from last offseason though I know there are examples. People trashed that move constantly but I bet he'll end up going crazy this year.


I doubt he'll go crazy, but one thing used against Giddey is that he was awful in the playoffs. He was awful in round 2, yes, but he was really good in round 1. At 21, I'm not sure what expectations were.
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Post#1288 » by MEDIC » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:50 pm

mathgeek wrote:I've been very surprised with the international referees this olympics they have been calling a lot of fouls including touch fouls that they never used to in FIBA before. This plays to our advantage. I wonder if the NBA and Euroleague put pressure on FIBA to call more fouls so that players do not get injured.


Yeah. This game was hard to watch at times due to the refs nor letting them play. This is the first game I have watched where this was the case. It's been refreshing watching the USA team forced to play physical basketball & play real basketball rules

Hopefully this is an anomaly. If the refs keep managing games this way, there will be a huge advantage for the US.

I want to see a tough/ physical/ competitive gold medal match. I don't want to see two teams that are afraid to play defense.
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Post#1289 » by MEDIC » Tue Jul 30, 2024 1:58 pm

The first half was pretty bad basketball on the Canadian side. At times it felt like I was watching my 13 year olds rep team. Bad passes. Bad shots. Not enough off the ball movement. Poor fundamentals (no box outs, etc). SGA & Powell were the only two players playing the right way consistently in the 1st half.

There was a 5 minute stretch in the 2nd half where the team played up to their potential on both sides of the floor.

The rest of the game looked shakey. They have some work to do.

Dort played great defense. RJ stabilized the offense in the 2nd half. Birch showed up in the 2nd half.

I thought SGA & Powell were the only two that played great the whole game.

Either way. Great win. Glad they stepped up when the game was on the line..
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Post#1290 » by jrask » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:04 pm

In a scenario, where three teams (Canada, Australia, and Spain) all end up with identical records of 2-1 - what is the tiebreaker to see who advances to the QF's?

point differential?
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Post#1291 » by frumble » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:40 pm

jrask wrote:In a scenario, where three teams (Canada, Australia, and Spain) all end up with identical records of 2-1 - what is the tiebreaker to see who advances to the QF's?

point differential?


I think point differential in games among Can, Aus, and Spain would be used to determine which of those 2-1 teams would be considered 3rd. That team could still make the QFs (two of the three 3rd place teams make the QFs).

I am unclear on how ties will be broken in ranking the 8 teams that make the QFs.
E.g., if Canada, the US, and Germany are all group winners at 3-0, which two go into the highest pot for the QF draw? There obviously are no head to head games among those three teams, so would it come down to FIBA ranking?

Germany is ranked ahead of Canada, so in that scenario, the US and Germany would be in Pot D and would be the 1 and 2 seeds for the QFs.

(Australia, Serbia, and Spain are also ranked ahead of Canada, which could come into play for QF seeds if we end up tied with one or more of them at 2-1).
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Post#1292 » by DG88 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:42 pm

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Post#1293 » by MEDIC » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:49 pm

D-Wade was on the sidelines. I am guessing there was a US feed. Anyone watch it?
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Post#1294 » by aminiaturebuddha » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:55 pm

frumble wrote:
jrask wrote:In a scenario, where three teams (Canada, Australia, and Spain) all end up with identical records of 2-1 - what is the tiebreaker to see who advances to the QF's?

point differential?


I think point differential in games among Can, Aus, and Spain would be used to determine which of those 2-1 teams would be considered 3rd. That team could still make the QFs (two of the three 3rd place teams make the QFs).

I am unclear on how ties will be broken in ranking the 8 teams that make the QFs.
E.g., if Canada, the US, and Germany are all group winners at 3-0, which two go into the highest pot for the QF draw? There obviously are no head to head games among those three teams, so would it come down to FIBA ranking?

Germany is ranked ahead of Canada, so in that scenario, the US and Germany would be in Pot D and would be the 1 and 2 seeds for the QFs.

(Australia, Serbia, and Spain are also ranked ahead of Canada, which could come into play for QF seeds if we end up tied with one or more of them at 2-1).


I believe it's point differential, even though they're obviously playing against different teams in different pools. At least, that's how they're going to determine the 3rd place teams that make it into the quarters, so I assume it would be the same to determine the top 2 teams.

And that's unfortunately where it's tough for Canada to be in the group of death. There are no easy games for Canada to run up the score and get those precious point differential points.

What I don't know is which side of the bracket the 3rd pool winner joins. Presumably the side with the second ranked pool winner? In that case, if the US could keep running up the score in their games, we may still avoid their side of the bracket.
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Post#1295 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:00 pm

Canada is guaranteed a QF spot if Brazil and Japan lose today. Although obviously they would want to win their final game anyway to avoid playing USA in QFs.
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Post#1296 » by Boardbreaker » Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:00 pm

MEDIC wrote:D-Wade was on the sidelines. I am guessing there was a US feed. Anyone watch it?

He’s pretty bad when I’ve heard him call US games I’d much rather hear Shulman
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Post#1297 » by frumble » Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:13 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:
I believe it's point differential, even though they're obviously playing against different teams in different pools. At least, that's how they're going to determine the 3rd place teams that make it into the quarters, so I assume it would be the same to determine the top 2 teams.

And that's unfortunately where it's tough for Canada to be in the group of death. There are no easy games for Canada to run up the score and get those precious point differential points.

What I don't know is which side of the bracket the 3rd pool winner joins. Presumably the side with the second ranked pool winner? In that case, if the US could keep running up the score in their games, we may still avoid their side of the bracket.


Yes, you are right - overall point differential would come in before FIBA ranking, and not having any weaker teams will make it hard for us. Germany already racked up a +20 vs Japan and France a +12 vs. Brazil. The winner of that France-Germany game will likely have a better differential than us.

Re bracket sides, the competition rules don't explan how the semifinals matchups work - pre-set brackets or highest seed plays lowest seed.

The rules only say that "Winners of the Quarter-Finals played by the teams from Pot D cannot play each other in the Semi-Final games."

Assume Canada, US, and Germany each finish 3-0, and that Australia, France and Serbia each finish 2-1.
If the US and Germany have better differentials than us, they will be seeded 1st and 2nd and will be in Pot D.
We would be seeded 3rd and be in Pot E with whichever of Australia, France, and Serbia had the better differential (assume France).

In that scenario, we or France could end up on the same side of the draw as the US if it is random based on the pot draws.

Anyway, getting ahead ourselves here. Still a lot of round robin to be played.
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Post#1298 » by redeye514 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:22 pm

Nice game all around. SGA had to sit almost the whole first Q, but we hit some big 3's to keep the game tight even though Australia was playing better.

I love Lu Dort man, always wish the Raptors had him... when he (& Brooks for that matter) were on the court, big big difference.

RJ with some needed buckets throughout the game.. and Shai was lights our when he did play... although the whole team had some wonky turn overs.

I re-lived my whole Raptor Khem Birch experience in this game.. one moment 'ohh, hes playing off ball great.. nice screens, rotating and in the right spots... KHem's a useful big!!'.. then Khem goes on to fluff 2-3 bunnies at the rim 'god damn it Khem!! get off the court!'... but Khem actually played aight, especially considering we're in such a need of useful bigs.

We need Murray to find his rhythm. Its been the Shai show thus far, which is cool and all, but I feel like if we truly want to medal, Murray needs to find his stroke. We will need a Murray solo mini run at some point I'm sure.
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Post#1299 » by Yeezus_ » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:08 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:Canada is guaranteed a QF spot if Brazil and Japan lose today. Although obviously they would want to win their final game anyway to avoid playing USA in QFs.

Ideal world we avoid them until the finals. We need to get into the same pot draw as the US which means we need to finish with second overall. Germany might edge us out assuming they go 3-0 too. Of course things can change if the US lose though.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V4.0 

Post#1300 » by Randle McMurphy » Tue Jul 30, 2024 4:10 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Canada is guaranteed a QF spot if Brazil and Japan lose today. Although obviously they would want to win their final game anyway to avoid playing USA in QFs.

Ideal world we avoid them until the finals. We need to get into the same pot draw as the US which means we need to finish with second overall. Germany might edge us out assuming they go 3-0 too. Of course things can change if the US lose though.

Given the strength of their group (and the weakness of Germany's), finishing second overall may not even be something fully in their control. At least if you play USA in the SFs, you'll still get a shot at a medal even if you lose.
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