Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[DelAbbot]

In the last 4 drafts, we were in the lottery 3 out of the 4 times, including this past draft where we conveyed our pick to the Spurs. And we're looking like we're going back into the lottery again this year, barring any major changes.

Maybe in a season or two, TWO will die down but for now we ain't going anywhere.

Your signature reflects that fact very well

[Scase]

Remember when it was an unthinkable disaster that we didn't end up with Scoot?

I don't remember anyone clamouring for Scoot.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I don't remember anyone clamouring for Scoot.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Him showing up high to the pre season presser was awesome.

[Scase]

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Him showing up high to the pre season presser was awesome.

Say what lol?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Him showing up high to the pre season presser was awesome.

Say what lol?

He was high AF talking about food. Here.

Watch on YouTube

[nikster]

I don't remember anyone clamouring for Scoot.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

I don't remember what it was like here but on the general board and reddit Charlotte was almost immediately being clowned for making the wrong decision in picking Miller.

And I'm not gonna write of Scoot yet either, but I'd still rather have Gradey at this point

[Raps in 4]

Lock this thread up. It's over.

[Duffman100]

I don't remember anyone clamouring for Scoot.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Not writing him off. Just that the clear doom and gloom of not getting him has definitely (and predictably) cooled.

[Raps in 4]

Scoot really does look like a bust. He hasn't shown anything to get excited about.

[DelAbbot]

Lock this thread up. It's over.

arrest NinjaBro for hacking Raps in 4's account

[PushDaRock]

I don't remember anyone clamouring for Scoot.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Not yet but he's looking destined for the Dennis Smith Jr. career arc without a drastic change.

The only thing remotely positive and giving some semblance of hope is the 80%+ FT shooting.

Scoot was hyped pretty good heading into the draft year, he was the consensus #2 until Miller overtook him.

[Scase]

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

I don't remember what it was like here but on the general board and reddit Charlotte was almost immediately being clowned for making the wrong decision in picking Miller.

And I'm not gonna write of Scoot yet either, but I'd still rather have Gradey at this point

Yeah I cant say much about the Scoot v Miller discussion as I don't remember it, you might be right. As for Gradey over Scoot, I think it's much too early to say, but Scoot ain't looking great.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Not writing him off. Just that the clear doom and gloom of not getting him has definitely (and predictably) cooled.

I was more commenting about the future star bit. I can't speak for others, but the doom and gloom to me was the lack of a top pick and missing out on the Wemby sweepstakes, not so much Scoot himself. I was never a fan of drafting a guy based off g league stats, seemed like it could go either really well, or really bad, remains to be seen though.

... what? Tons of the board were talking about Scoot as a future star.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Not yet but he's looking destined for the Dennis Smith Jr. career arc without a drastic change.

The only thing remotely positive and giving some semblance of hope is the 80%+ FT shooting.

Scoot was hyped pretty good heading into the draft year, he was the consensus #2 until Miller overtook him.

Agreed, it's not looking so hot, with any luck he gets traded somewhere else, I don't see Portland as a hot bed of development.

[Johnny Bball]

Back to back wins and people are losing their ****, insulting people and whining. "Safe space"... stay true to being 10 ply.

They are 4-12.

[bluerap23]

Gradey is looking WAY better than Scoot.
The tank looks dead fam. Time to move on.

[Mr Funk]

Some like to watch the team cheer for win because at the core of sports, that's the entire point.

And I laugh at your 'patience' comment when you're the first one to jump on Dick, Ochai etc when they underperform in a small sample size.

Go cheer for wins capped at 45 forever. Congratulations on play-ins year in and year out.

Give it a break harping about cheering for losses - we cheering for losses are cheering for 60 wins seasons in the future. Don't pretend you don't understand.

I mean a big part of the problem here is that you (and others) think the only way to break 45 wins is by tanking - despite there being ample evidence that tanking does not guarantee success nor is there any evidence it is any superior to team building.

While I wouldn't state that it's superior to team building and development (what we're seeing this season with Gradey and Ochai is really exciting), tanking - in the right circumstances and with a competent front office - certainly can guarantee success, in that it can rapidly advance a team's trajectory and ultimate success. The Spurs with Tim Duncan is a great example. Or more recently, how we were able to draft Scottie, as we pivoted to a bit of a tank in the latter stages of the Tampa season.

I'm not a supporter of multi-year tankathons just for the sake of tanking (I sat through years of that with the Bulls and it was pretty miserable). However, with this summer's draft, there are at least five guaranteed talents that could potentially advance our trajectory and ultimate success, becoming a contender much sooner than expected.

Even if we can't draft Bailey or Flagg, there's still Demin, Harper and Edgecombe (amoung others) and this is a golden opportunity to add substantial talent with a quick turnaround towards increased winning and success.

[Psubs]

Gradey is looking WAY better than Scoot.
The tank looks dead fam. Time to move on.

Jalen Williams is good, same for Jared McCain and Dalton Knect.

I guess just gotta keep hitting like Dick.

[AbC?]

Tanking when you traded your 1st round pick in a weak draft:


Tanking when you have your pick in a loaded draft:

[Vampirate]

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

I don't remember what it was like here but on the general board and reddit Charlotte was almost immediately being clowned for making the wrong decision in picking Miller.

And I'm not gonna write of Scoot yet either, but I'd still rather have Gradey at this point

Yeah I cant say much about the Scoot v Miller discussion as I don't remember it, you might be right. As for Gradey over Scoot, I think it's much too early to say, but Scoot ain't looking great.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Not writing him off. Just that the clear doom and gloom of not getting him has definitely (and predictably) cooled.

I was more commenting about the future star bit. I can't speak for others, but the doom and gloom to me was the lack of a top pick and missing out on the Wemby sweepstakes, not so much Scoot himself. I was never a fan of drafting a guy based off g league stats, seemed like it could go either really well, or really bad, remains to be seen though.

Are we writing him off after 92 career games?

Also I think more people wanted Miller, but I could be remembering wrong.

Not yet but he's looking destined for the Dennis Smith Jr. career arc without a drastic change.

The only thing remotely positive and giving some semblance of hope is the 80%+ FT shooting.

Scoot was hyped pretty good heading into the draft year, he was the consensus #2 until Miller overtook him.

Agreed, it's not looking so hot, with any luck he gets traded somewhere else, I don't see Portland as a hot bed of development.

When I look at Scoot, I basically picture mini Barnes, dude is strong for his height, but lacks the tools Barnes has to negate the lack of shooting early on.

Neither player has a great first step.

[nikster]

Go cheer for wins capped at 45 forever. Congratulations on play-ins year in and year out.

Give it a break harping about cheering for losses - we cheering for losses are cheering for 60 wins seasons in the future. Don't pretend you don't understand.

I mean a big part of the problem here is that you (and others) think the only way to break 45 wins is by tanking - despite there being ample evidence that tanking does not guarantee success nor is there any evidence it is any superior to team building.

While I wouldn't state that it's superior to team building and development (what we're seeing this season with Gradey and Ochai is really exciting), tanking - in the right circumstances and with a competent front office - certainly can guarantee success, in that it can rapidly advance a team's trajectory and ultimate success. The Spurs with Tim Duncan is a great example. Or more recently, how we were able to draft Scottie, as we pivoted to a bit of a tank in the latter stages of the Tampa season.

I'm not a supporter of multi-year tankathons just for the sake of tanking (I sat through years of that with the Bulls and it was pretty miserable). However, with this summer's draft, there are at least five guaranteed talents that could potentially advance our trajectory and ultimate success, becoming a contender much sooner than expected.

Even if we can't draft Bailey or Flagg, there's still Demin, Harper and Edgecombe (amoung others) and this is a golden opportunity to add substantial talent with a quick turnaround towards increased winning and success.

While this is a great draft to tank in, I'll push back on the idea that anything is guaranteed, especially looking at a pool of more than a couple players.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

It's funny, the assessment period is typically 20 games. So, if they close out the next four games with wins. That's still 8-12, if you told me before the season we started 8-12. I'd assume we pulled the plug. I still don't think we run off six in a row here.