Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[JN]

I watched that little somewhat unathletic midget Keaton Page of Oklahoma St go off for about 30 last night against Kansas and he has to work so hard to get his shots off, and has to take all opportunities that are present to try to score. It was fun to watch, but at the same time it adds to ny frustration about players like Lamb. Sure Page's team run some plays for him -- moreso then Lamb. But anytime there was a little crease Page was ready to exploit -- always, always looking, Lamb just gets the ball in motion and usually has no intention of looking to create even the opportunity is there.

Typically Lamb gets the ball while stationary and as a result of some uninspired passing along the three point line. Your point still stands though, Lamb rarely looks to attack and seems passive, there's only so much I can blame on his crappy team.

And to be fair, Page created alot of his looks off big man picks / screens around the three point line. That rarely happens at UConn.

[7-Day Dray]

Does Andre Drummond seem like Chris Bosh inside Dwight Howard's body to anyone else?

Nope, I say a RealGM poster inside Dwight Howard's body.

LOL that's cold. I was just looking at his highlights and he seemed to have that Chris Bosh personality. I know you hate him, but he's got a chance if his team gets him a proper big man coach.

Have y'all noticed that he runs kind of like Chris Bosh too?

[PowerPhil15]

I CANT WAIT FOR 2012 YEAR START

[Waylon Mercy]

Don't sweat it, he's trying to be the Raps board version of Steely Reserve. We clowned that guy out of here quick, I see the same thing happening here.

No you tapped out because your ananlysis of Barnes is receiting the UNC offense lol

You tried to create an argument with Drummond and you didn't even realize that
I agreed with him dissappearing as well.

You don't even know what my draft board looks like...

You were to confused to know exactly what you were arguing then you left lol

[Marlo Stanfield]

Nope, I say a RealGM poster inside Dwight Howard's body.

LOL that's cold. I was just looking at his highlights and he seemed to have that Chris Bosh personality. I know you hate him, but he's got a chance if his team gets him a proper big man coach.

Have y'all noticed that he runs kind of like Chris Bosh too?

He does everything like him except he has the body of a monster.

BTW, REALDEALBEAL playing at 9! YEZZIR!

[Waylon Mercy]

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Since you and me started "debating" over Barnes plenty of other posters agreed with me
on Barnes one even called you a Banres fan boy. I don't care if people interject to talk
ball but when they interject to $hit disturb then I got a problem with that.

When Barnes came out of college he was supposed to be the next big thing a sure fire
1st overall pick now he goes anywhere from 3-8 and is compared to Luol Deng.

There are times he looks like that sure fire stud then their are times you scratch your head
and wonder if he'll just be a role player...

If you dissect his skillset nothing seems to be elite....

Believe me I ain't the only one Pessimistic about Barnes if that makes me heel to the
Barnes fan club so be it.

I still don't know what you're smoking atm but you still claim having objective unbiased view of prospects but right now you're going all over the place in our argument, we're not even discussing on him coming into the season as this hyped whoever or that, stick to our "disappearing" act topic, especially when I said he does other things to impact the game when he's shooting cold, but you just unbiased yourself there and randomly putting MKG's strength as comparison, you're using a superior traits of other prospects to slam at Barnes but that shouldn't even be the focal of any point because I remain in specifics on Barnes still doing many things when he's not shooting well, that's my point, is Barnes still not playing hard-nose defense, not putting the ball on the floor, not drawing for contacts and not crashing the board aggressively to replace his poor shooting slumps?

It seems to be your argument can go beyond in irrational format, throwing out your so called objective view of prospects but to do so that involves attacking on poster's personal issue, that's just being personal bias imo. If calling posters a "barnes lover" and age thing are your specialty to bringing a poster down, hey, that's fine with me, keep playing that inherited bias card, you're good at it

Are you still rattled?

I guess I did my job when I retaliated to your original cheap shot....

When you have to resort to cheap shots when you disagree about a player what does that
tell you? I questioned parts of Barnes game and you and the other guy reacted as if I
questioned your mom or a family member.

You 2 have refused to acknowledge any flaws in Barnes game.... which indicates to me
your not gonna be obejective and your most likely a Barnes "fan boy"....

You guys keep on throwing the word biased at me yet ive proven im probably one of the
unbiased people in here....

I've all ready explained to you what I mean with the Barnes and MKG comparison but I'll
remind you as of today I would draft Barnes ahead of MKG.

[JN]

Drummond just had the worst technical foul called on him that I have ever seen. He did absolutely nothing wrong - he flipped the ball to the ref, who apparently may not have been ready to catch it.

[JN]

NIT, NIT, NIT

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

NIT, NIT, NIT

How's Jeremy Lamb playing in that game for those who aren't watching?

[JN]

NIT, NIT, NIT

How's Jeremy Lamb playing in that game for those who aren't watching?

I wasn't watching most of the game. When i did tune in, the announcers did comment a few times he did need to be more asservtive.

Not sure what his numbers are.... chance to tie with a three with fice second left... lets see what Lamb can do. Good ending -- Providence can't put them away

[Marlo Stanfield]

Jeremy Lamb with 12 points on 5-15 shooting, 2-7 on three's No free throw attempts, but 6 rebounds and 2 blocks with 1 assists and 1 steal. YUCK! C'mon Jesus Lamb!

Andre Drummond with 14 points on 7-11 shooting, with 12 rebounds and 3 blocks , but 0-3 on free throws

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Beal with an aggressive take to the basket

[sunny]

for the past three years or so I've always been very pessimistic about Drummond (the problems he is having now, hes had for years). However, I've watched him a lot lately and don't think he has shown anything that negative and still has what it takes to be a star in the nba under the right circumstances.
I think because of the situation going on at Uconn, Drummond and Lamb are going to be severely underrated come June. Maybe not as much for AD since he will still likely go second, but a lot of fans have soured on him for what I believe to be the wrong reasons. However, Lamb I think will slip in the draft and has a chance to be a great steal (depending on how far he goes).

[Al_Oliver]

NIT, NIT, NIT

first champ to chump team?

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Beal is having some difficulty finishing at the basket. He has no problem getting there, but a couple of times, he's missed some layup attempts over length.

[Laowai]

I'm not defending any player in the draft or disparaging any player.

But every player has flaws and the major job of a scout for a top 5 pick is to evaluate if the player has the ability to over come the flaws or a least make them less obvious. After the top 5 it becomes much less obvious and becomes the best player available as was the case in both the selection of DD & Davis.

The top of the draft selection is getting thinner with MKG saying he is going to stay at Kentucky a extra year. Obviously to get Barnes we would need the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft and that isn't a sure thing. I think that BC needs to sign Chandler to get quality at SF. The likely draft pick for the Raptors may be Beal?

[JN]

NIT, NIT, NIT

first champ to chump team?

There have been a few recently -- Florida in 2007 and UNC in 2010. I think UConn may have missed in 2000 as well, but not 100% sure.

[fredericklove]

Are you still rattled?

I guess I did my job when I retaliated to your original cheap shot....

When you have to resort to cheap shots when you disagree about a player what does that
tell you? I questioned parts of Barnes game and you and the other guy reacted as if I
questioned your mom or a family member.

You 2 have refused to acknowledge any flaws in Barnes game.... which indicates to me
your not gonna be obejective and your most likely a Barnes "fan boy"....

You guys keep on throwing the word biased at me yet ive proven im probably one of the
unbiased people in here....

I've all ready explained to you what I mean with the Barnes and MKG comparison but I'll
remind you as of today I would draft Barnes ahead of MKG.

I can pretty much say one thing, you are the most ignorant poster here that dares to make this blinded statement after what I've posted in the last few pages that included talking about barnes' flaws, when Reignman mentioned about second coming of Steely, I was being nice and not believing it so but now I start to acknowledge it. How can a guy be so ignorant enough to make this statement after reading the last few pages of our debate. Tsk...tsk...tsk.

[Waylon Mercy]

Are you still rattled?

I guess I did my job when I retaliated to your original cheap shot....

When you have to resort to cheap shots when you disagree about a player what does that
tell you? I questioned parts of Barnes game and you and the other guy reacted as if I
questioned your mom or a family member.

You 2 have refused to acknowledge any flaws in Barnes game.... which indicates to me
your not gonna be obejective and your most likely a Barnes "fan boy"....

You guys keep on throwing the word biased at me yet ive proven im probably one of the
unbiased people in here....

I've all ready explained to you what I mean with the Barnes and MKG comparison but I'll
remind you as of today I would draft Barnes ahead of MKG.

I can pretty much say one thing, you are the most ignorant poster here that dares to make this blinded statement after what I've posted in the last few pages that included talking about barnes' flaws, when Reignman mentioned about second coming of Steely, I was being nice and not believing it so but now I start to acknowledge it. How can a guy be so ignorant enough to make this statement after reading the last few pages of our debate. Tsk...tsk...tsk.

Im sure this Steely guy has more credibility then Reignman....

Reignman likes to talk tough and act like a big shot and has the audacity to call out other
posters yet the dude provides zero substance in his messages.

As for you I've done my job...While we still don't agree about Barnes I've got you to drop
the kid talk and got you focused and having a real discussion.

Thats what a good poster does he makes other posters better

[Undefeated]

Beal playing PF right now.