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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#1301 » by TRex520 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:56 am

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TRex520 wrote:I still like Malachi Flynn at 28. 2-way player, can shoot and run offence, good d. Yes he is slightly undersize at 6-1, but his BBIQ can overcome that. I know you would argue we already have FVV and Kyle, and maybe in even TDII. But by then we can flip them for different needs, who knows if they walk or injured?


Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?

The NBA 3pt % for Flynn and Pritchard is actually the same. Yea Pritchard is good pick too, but I feel like the D of Flynn is better.
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Post#1302 » by TRex520 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:58 am

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TRex520 wrote:I still like Malachi Flynn at 28. 2-way player, can shoot and run offence, good d. Yes he is slightly undersize at 6-1, but his BBIQ can overcome that. I know you would argue we already have FVV and Kyle, and maybe in even TDII. But by then we can flip them for different needs, who knows if they walk or injured?


Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?


Rondo has a 6'9 wingspan. Theo Maldeon would be close with 6'8.5, while Powell would be having the similar length

Rondo is overrated. He can't shoot. He got the benefits of playing along KG, PP and Allen.
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Post#1303 » by Indeed » Fri May 22, 2020 1:19 am

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Dalek wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:I don't agree with those comps really. If I thought he could be as good as Wendell I'd have him top 10.

Wendell is significantly smarter, more skilled IMO and a better athlete/bigger.

Trezz translated because he outworks people sure but is also a great athlete.

I'm not really a fan of comps because no 2 players are usually that similar, but i'd guess Stewart is closer to Caleb Swanigan than those two

I think right now he's probably a 3rd big whos maybe a decent bench big down the line.


I can see that scenario for Stewart and being a third big is actually pretty ideal for him being so young. I think it is something Masai/Bobby will have to evaluate as to whether he is the right pick/BPA.

Regarding the comps, I think Wendell is someone he should aspire to become. My case with Harrell is that you have a guy who can't really shoot but makes high percentage plays and knows his role. If Harrell, who is mainly a energy big, can play on a contender, then there is a case to be made for Stewart also. They are not that different.


I get what you are saying that they are similar maybe in the role they can play. But as players besides their size they look starkly different to me. If you are going to be an energy big it usually requires top-shelf athleticism, which Harell has and Stewart doesn't.

Like watch these videos next to each other and you have significantly different players.


Stewart is much more of a plodding halfcourt player, but what does he do at a high level without the ball in his hands?
I just wouldn't draft Stewart in the first is all, I'm not convinced he has the skills or athleticism to be worth it as a difference maker on either end of the court.


I think he would be RHJ without handle but a jumper.
Maybe better than Patterson with his shot blocking ability.
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Post#1304 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri May 22, 2020 1:31 am

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TRex520 wrote:I still like Malachi Flynn at 28. 2-way player, can shoot and run offence, good d. Yes he is slightly undersize at 6-1, but his BBIQ can overcome that. I know you would argue we already have FVV and Kyle, and maybe in even TDII. But by then we can flip them for different needs, who knows if they walk or injured?


Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?

First thing I noticed is Rondo and Kyle both have a huge physical advantage over the other guys. Rondo has a huge wingspan and is the fastest out of those guys. Kyle Lowry is by far the strongest out of those guards and is probably the second fastest of the group.
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Post#1305 » by Sir-Swish-A-Lot » Fri May 22, 2020 1:41 am

Isaiah Stewart is not a plodder he runs the court like a Gazelle. Also, Stewart is a very good screen setter, rebounder without the ball in his hands. Stewart is a very skilled player with a high basketball IQ.

If someone thinks that Stewart isn't a solid athlete then they are wrong. Stewart catches any ball thrown to him in traffic like a NFL tight end. Not to mention that rebounds stick to his hands like glue. He has the best hands of any big man in the draft as well as being the best finisher in the paint of any big man in the draft.

Stewart is a bigger Montrezl Harrell with a better jump shot point blank. But no need to worry though he will be gone before the Raptors pick at #28. I just hope that he doesn't go to another Atlantic Division team.

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Post#1306 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 am

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Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?


Rondo has a 6'9 wingspan. Theo Maldeon would be close with 6'8.5, while Powell would be having the similar length

Rondo is overrated. He can't shoot. He got the benefits of playing along KG, PP and Allen.

A 22 pick that was a 4 time allstar? Ya he can't shoot but he complimented his teammates well and played his role very well. Imagine having a young Rondo on our bench instead of having to play McCaw.
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Post#1307 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri May 22, 2020 2:15 am

super_balls wrote:What's everyone's draft board looking like at 28?


1. Reggie Perry
2. Desmond Bane
3. Isaiah Stewart
4. Paul Reed
5a. Karim Mane
5b. Jay Scrubb
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Post#1308 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri May 22, 2020 2:18 am

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TRex520 wrote:I still like Malachi Flynn at 28. 2-way player, can shoot and run offence, good d. Yes he is slightly undersize at 6-1, but his BBIQ can overcome that. I know you would argue we already have FVV and Kyle, and maybe in even TDII. But by then we can flip them for different needs, who knows if they walk or injured?


Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?


I honestly believe Bane can be the next Lowry. KLow would be the perfect mentor for him.
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Post#1309 » by Psubs » Fri May 22, 2020 2:47 am

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TRex520 wrote:I still like Malachi Flynn at 28. 2-way player, can shoot and run offence, good d. Yes he is slightly undersize at 6-1, but his BBIQ can overcome that. I know you would argue we already have FVV and Kyle, and maybe in even TDII. But by then we can flip them for different needs, who knows if they walk or injured?


Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?


I honestly believe Bane can be the next Lowry. KLow would be the perfect mentor for him.


Bane looks good. He'll be a SG, similar to TD and able to handle the ball but would rather FVV do it. Those 2 on the bench would be playing against a football team!

Good conference and his 3pt numbers over the last 3 years are nice. He's so jacked yet can shoot at such a high percentage; impressive.

I guess OG would have to get all of the backup minutes at PF.

PG Lowry (34) - FVV (14) - TD
SG FVV (20) - TD (20) - Thomas/Bane
SF OG (18) - Powell (30) - Watson
PF Siakam (34) - OG (14) - #58
C Gasol (24) - Ibaka (24) - Boucher/Hernandez

Thomas, Bane and Watson fighting for 8 mins! I would think Bane would be in the 905, putting up Paul Watson #'s trying for the MVP.
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Post#1310 » by Psubs » Fri May 22, 2020 3:15 am

TRex520 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?


Rondo has a 6'9 wingspan. Theo Maldeon would be close with 6'8.5, while Powell would be having the similar length

Rondo is overrated. He can't shoot. He got the benefits of playing along KG, PP and Allen.


In his prime years he got up to a 35% 3pt shooter, as good as MJ and Kobe.
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Post#1311 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri May 22, 2020 3:24 am

Since we have the luxury of having one of the best development programs, I'm starting to think that we should leverage it by drafting a raw talent that looks coachable and has a physical attributes that is unique and stands out for their position.

The obvious example for us is Siakam. He dropped to us because he was really raw and I'm guessing it was hard to imagine him to be be an offensive player.

Coachable is very important. We don't want another Bruno situation.
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Post#1312 » by Psubs » Fri May 22, 2020 4:00 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:Since we have the luxury of having one of the best development programs, I'm starting to think that we should leverage it by drafting a raw talent that looks coachable and has a physical attributes that is unique and stands out for their position.

The obvious example for us is Siakam. He dropped to us because he was really raw and I'm guessing it was hard to imagine him to be be an offensive player.

Coachable is very important. We don't want another Bruno situation.


That sounds like Paul Reed. He drops because that jumper looks so janky.
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Post#1313 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri May 22, 2020 5:23 am

Syd-TK3 wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

The ringer updated their big board to 50players and did a mock but it's only the lottery

When you filter by guard in this mock draft, you can see that 22 of the top 40 are guards. So many guards.
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Post#1314 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri May 22, 2020 6:01 am

I know his shooting percentages don't back him up, but I think this kid has a little some of that it factor. I don't think he'll be a star, but I think he's a guy you can plug in like an Eddie House type. A shooter who's able to create their own shot, and be a microwave type of scorer off the bench. I'd say he's worth a look as an undrafted free agent.

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Post#1315 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri May 22, 2020 6:03 am

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LoveMyRaps wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Why not Payton Pritchard over Flynn? Shot better from 3. Similar A/T. PP did it at Oregon who also lead their respective conference, but PP had a tougher one. I guess there's also Dotson, Tre Jones. Philly should draft Terry at #20.

This is a crazy a back half for PG's as the 2006 draft.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

19 Quincy Douby :lol:
21 Rajon Rondo
22 Marcus Williams
24 Kyle Lowry
26 Jordan Farmar
27 Sergio Rodriguez

How to find the Rondo and Lowry of this draft?


I honestly believe Bane can be the next Lowry. KLow would be the perfect mentor for him.


Bane looks good. He'll be a SG, similar to TD and able to handle the ball but would rather FVV do it. Those 2 on the bench would be playing against a football team!

Good conference and his 3pt numbers over the last 3 years are nice. He's so jacked yet can shoot at such a high percentage; impressive.

I guess OG would have to get all of the backup minutes at PF.

PG Lowry (34) - FVV (14) - TD
SG FVV (20) - TD (20) - Thomas/Bane
SF OG (18) - Powell (30) - Watson
PF Siakam (34) - OG (14) - #58
C Gasol (24) - Ibaka (24) - Boucher/Hernandez

Thomas, Bane and Watson fighting for 8 mins! I would think Bane would be in the 905, putting up Paul Watson #'s trying for the MVP.


Bane is a combo guard like Lowry & had his fair share of minutes at the PG position for TCU. Both guys weren't big assist guys in college but possess the B-Ball IQ and playmaking abilities to excel at the point guard position. Which is why I believe Lowry would be the perfect mentor for him. Bane is as poised and disciplined as they come and just like TD he doesn't need to spend any time in the G-League. He was made for the big leagues. Of course he would have to get started out in a much smaller role. But I think he'll impress the coaching staff quickly with his phenomenal court vision, PNR playmaking, & defensive tenacity.

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Post#1316 » by TRex520 » Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 am

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TRex520 wrote:
Indeed wrote:
Rondo has a 6'9 wingspan. Theo Maldeon would be close with 6'8.5, while Powell would be having the similar length

Rondo is overrated. He can't shoot. He got the benefits of playing along KG, PP and Allen.

A 22 pick that was a 4 time allstar? Ya he can't shoot but he complimented his teammates well and played his role very well. Imagine having a young Rondo on our bench instead of having to play McCaw.

Anyone is better than McCaw. :lol:

I guess I should have used overachieved, not overrated. He did okay as 4th option. But it is easy if your top 3 players are franchise players themselves. I think if Boston kept Randy Foye back then, they will be as fine.

Back to the McCaw comparison, yea McCaw has more rings than Kyle. But we can't say McCaw is a better player.
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Post#1317 » by nabbs » Fri May 22, 2020 1:09 pm

First Round: Josh Green, Xavier Tillman, Jalen Smith, Isaiah Stewart

Second Round: Paul Eboua, Skylar Mays, Malachi Flynn, Jordan Nwora


These are my wish lists. I think you always want BPA and a combo of youth/upside with some immediate translatable skills. However, Pascal and Fred are middle aged and we don't have time to develop young guys if we want to win now. I am more interested in Jalen Smith and Tillman as they fit our current timeline if we plan to win another a title in the next 3-4 years.

I am also inclined not to take a wing because I do feel Brissett and Watson can really play NBA minutes next year if we plan to convert them. Our biggest needs going forward are gonna be 4/5 depth and scoring punch off the bench.
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Post#1318 » by OakleyDokely » Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 pm

After consulting with my family, jesus and physicians, I am declaring for the 2020 NBA draft. I've previously declared for the 19, 18, 17, 16 drafts. I think this is my year. The Knicks were interested in 17, but I told them I'd prefer to go undrafted.
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Post#1319 » by Psubs » Fri May 22, 2020 2:25 pm

nabbs wrote:First Round: Josh Green, Xavier Tillman, Jalen Smith, Isaiah Stewart

Second Round: Paul Eboua, Skylar Mays, Malachi Flynn, Jordan Nwora


These are my wish lists. I think you always want BPA and a combo of youth/upside with some immediate translatable skills. However, Pascal and Fred are middle aged and we don't have time to develop young guys if we want to win now. I am more interested in Jalen Smith and Tillman as they fit our current timeline if we plan to win another a title in the next 3-4 years.

I am also inclined not to take a wing because I do feel Brissett and Watson can really play NBA minutes next year if we plan to convert them. Our biggest needs going forward are gonna be 4/5 depth and scoring punch off the bench.


Brissett should be in the 905 until he develops a shot. OG can just play more minutes.
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Post#1320 » by wtfbosh » Fri May 22, 2020 3:27 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
super_balls wrote:What's everyone's draft board looking like at 28?


1. Reggie Perry
2. Desmond Bane
3. Isaiah Stewart
4. Paul Reed
5a. Karim Mane
5b. Jay Scrubb


My board:
1. Desmond Bane
2. Grant Riller
3. Paul Reed
4. Xavier Tillman
5. Killian Tillie
6. Aleksej Pokusevski

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