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Post#1301 » by AbbieCat2008 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:57 pm

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TrustFundBaby wrote:Lmaao our guys are catching mad heat around the league rn


What else is new bot like everyone else sucked down the stretch always easy to just say the raptors suck and call it a night. We weren't even supposed to make the playoffs this year remember.

If all else fails just use the raptors as the scapegoat and everyone else will agree.


Can't believe they also wasted our time to have someone perform the Canadian anthem. Took away from two extra potential minutes of Chaka Khan singing her heart out :lol: :lol: :lol:


Boy.. Chaka Khan got a lot of heat with her belching version on Twitter... lol

She over sang wayyyyyyyy too much.
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Post#1302 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:12 pm

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joseph227 wrote:nick nurse literally played lowry 40 minutes in an ASG wtf manaaaaaaaaaaaan


Let me just check that math...28=40. Nope, that doesn't sound right.


How did they calculate the 4th quarter minutes if there was no game clock?


Not sure, but they obviously tried, because if you add up all of the minutes for Team Giannis, it comes out to 241 minutes. I'm guessing they just had some stat person adding up all of the time on the shot clock every play in the 4th.
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Post#1303 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:18 pm

Siakam bullied Harden right into the paint and forced help. He was fine. Kemba botched a wide open lay-up and then dribbled the ball off his foot, costing them another easy basket. Two completely random mistakes by him. It was obvious (to me, at least) that both second year vote-ins were benched in favour of the two veteran ubercompetitors in Paul and Lowry. They weren't going to be allowed to get away with multiple subs of vote-ins, so that created some spacing issues for the East.
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Post#1304 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:18 pm

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Adrian_05 wrote:Siakam getting clamped by Harden in the post was one of the most embarrassing things ive ever seen on a basketball court.


Siakam tries too hard to draw the foul first and make the shot second, instead of going up and trying to make the shot first and worrying about the foul second. That's why he ends up throwing a wild shot up. He's got the height advantage and could easily rise up and shoot over Harden. But no.


I find this take kind of amusing because of what people have been complaining about over the past few months on here concerning Siakam. Not that a "board" needs to have consistency, because it's made up of a lot of different people with different opinions. But I've seen a lot of people on here argue that Pascal actively tries to avoid getting fouled (trying too hard to get a good shot) and that's holding him back. Obviously both things can't be right.
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Post#1305 » by aminiaturebuddha » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:23 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Siakam bullied Harden right into the paint and forced help. He was fine. Kemba botched a wide open lay-up and then dribbled the ball off his foot, costing them another easy basket. Two completely random mistakes by him. It was obvious (to me, at least) that both second year vote-ins were benched in favour of the two veteran ubercompetitors in Paul and Lowry. They weren't going to be allowed to get away with multiple subs of vote-ins, so that created some spacing issues for the East.


The main problem on those two plays (and keep in mind we're just talking about two plays) is that Pascal was left with no option than to try to back Harden down because of the poor spacing due to having Embiid and Giannis on the court. Harden is strong and that happens to be where he's at his best on defence. Pascal wasn't really able to use his speed and length because there was no room for him to operate.

And yeah, I agree on the lineups. Luka and Trae were out, replaced by two veteran PG competitors. Seems pretty clear what was happening there. There were also no commercial breaks, and there was no way of knowing how long it would take those teams to reach the target score, so subbing would have been difficult.
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Re: All Star Weekend Thread 

Post#1306 » by Mikistan » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:35 pm

I thought siakam and Lowry were both pretty cringe by the end of the 4th...

Siakam overall great he hit a bunch of layups and like 1 dunk? Ain't nobody watching the ASG for layups man.

Lowry? Good and bad, like the gamesmanship but you knew those step back long 2s were coming against Lebron with or without the miss.

Offensively the team Giannis in the fourth was not good, bad spacing, bad thinking. Embiid calling his own number and Giannis too scared to ask for the ball
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Post#1307 » by whoknows » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:48 pm

I loved it when Chuck asked Kawhi if the cyborgs have mantels so he can put up his Kobe MVP award... :lol:

I have been watching Raptors since the beginning in '95 and Leonard is the first ex player who I really follow after he is gone.
He is after all the best player leader Raptors ever had and arguably the best current 2 way player in the NBA.
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Post#1308 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:55 pm

Mikistan wrote:I thought siakam and Lowry were both pretty cringe by the end of the 4th...

Siakam overall great he hit a bunch of layups and like 1 dunk? Ain't nobody watching the ASG for layups man.

Lowry? Good and bad, like the gamesmanship but you knew those step back long 2s were coming against Lebron with or without the miss.

Offensively the team Giannis in the fourth was not good, bad spacing, bad thinking. Embiid calling his own number and Giannis too scared to ask for the ball


The 1st one was because Kemba dribbled out the clock and bailed on the possession, which forced Lowry to take that shot. I thought Lowry and Siakam were both playing great defense on Harden and Kawhi. Loved it. Had the coaches taken more liberty to balance out the floor it would have been even better.
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Post#1309 » by Boogie! » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:38 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Giannis put his trust in Pascal to get something done on a horrible defender in Harden and he couldn't score. Pascal really needs to get in the weight room this off-season and go see The Dream.


Tbh I’m wondering how pascal struggled so much to go one on one against harden. Usually pascal is able to destroy small guys with ease. It seemed like he was trying to do to much. Idk why he didn’t just take a few dribbles and shoot a hook shot over him. I’ve seen him do that before. It seemed like he kept trying to spin baseline to bank in a layup but he couldn’t get it to happen. I’m sure harden fouled him numerous times as well but siakam never gets foul calls regardless.
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Post#1310 » by NBJ13 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:48 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Giannis put his trust in Pascal to get something done on a horrible defender in Harden and he couldn't score. Pascal really needs to get in the weight room this off-season and go see The Dream.


Tbh I’m wondering how pascal struggled so much to go one on one against harden. Usually pascal is able to destroy small guys with ease. It seemed like he was trying to do to much. Idk why he didn’t just take a few dribbles and shoot a hook shot over him. I’ve seen him do that before. It seemed like he kept trying to spin baseline to bank in a layup but he couldn’t get it to happen. I’m sure harden fouled him numerous times as well but siakam never gets foul calls regardless.


Harden is a strong guy with a solid base. When he wants to play D he can give a guy like Pascal a good challenge physically. The refs let them go a bit more since it was an ASG. Still... guys at an elite level find a way. It's what separates stars from stars.
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Post#1311 » by TheRealDeal » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:55 pm

Lowry taking those charges on such a big stage could lead to him getting even more calls for the rest of the season
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Post#1312 » by Dennis 37 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:00 pm

The fourth quarter was worth watching. I watched about half of the first and thought I was wasting my time, so I turned it off. I have no interest in guys being gifted lanes to the basket to make dunks.

For all who call for a mid-season tournament, because the All Star game is boring, the answer is defense.

Take that 24 point idea and apply it to all four quarters. Or maybe the first two quarters are 24+8.

Make more of the all-star weekend about defense. I'm not sure how to do that, but defense is a big part of the game that has always been absent during the All Star weekend.
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Re: All Star Weekend Thread 

Post#1313 » by fbalmeida » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:02 pm

Harden is a sub-standard help defender, and lapse-prone off-ball, but he's an excellent post-up defender. One of the best in the league in fact.

https://stats.nba.com/players/playtype-post-up/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TypeGrouping=defensive&sort=PPP&dir=-1

But ultimately, no point in getting caught up overthinking an all star game.

The All-Star break is pretty entertaining, but, Ranger One said it best: it's just one big weekend-long commercial.
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Post#1314 » by Dennis 37 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:02 pm

TheRealDeal wrote:Lowry taking those charges on such a big stage could lead to him getting even more calls for the rest of the season


I think the refs have been fairly good at their block/charge calls. My beef with reffing is that I no longer have any idea what is a shooting foul and what is not.
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Re: All Star Weekend Thread 

Post#1315 » by Mikistan » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:22 pm

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Mikistan wrote:I thought siakam and Lowry were both pretty cringe by the end of the 4th...

Siakam overall great he hit a bunch of layups and like 1 dunk? Ain't nobody watching the ASG for layups man.

Lowry? Good and bad, like the gamesmanship but you knew those step back long 2s were coming against Lebron with or without the miss.

Offensively the team Giannis in the fourth was not good, bad spacing, bad thinking. Embiid calling his own number and Giannis too scared to ask for the ball


The 1st one was because Kemba dribbled out the clock and bailed on the possession, which forced Lowry to take that shot. I thought Lowry and Siakam were both playing great defense on Harden and Kawhi. Loved it. Had the coaches taken more liberty to balance out the floor it would have been even better.

Oh ya the kemba iso was so bad lmao, unfortunate. The second one Lowry attempted was that spin into a long 2 fade shot in rhythm the same shot he hit as a game winner in the regular season against Cleveland like 3 years ago... Alas it clanked.

Great that they made it such an entertaining game. And yes the defense was fun!

But they also started the 4th with a 9pt lead didn't they?
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Post#1316 » by Death Knight » Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:49 pm

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Adrian_05 wrote:Siakam getting clamped by Harden in the post was one of the most embarrassing things ive ever seen on a basketball court.


Siakam tries too hard to draw the foul first and make the shot second, instead of going up and trying to make the shot first and worrying about the foul second. That's why he ends up throwing a wild shot up. He's got the height advantage and could easily rise up and shoot over Harden. But no.


I find this take kind of amusing because of what people have been complaining about over the past few months on here concerning Siakam. Not that a "board" needs to have consistency, because it's made up of a lot of different people with different opinions. But I've seen a lot of people on here argue that Pascal actively tries to avoid getting fouled (trying too hard to get a good shot) and that's holding him back. Obviously both things can't be right.


Part of the problem is that Pascal doesn't get many calls to begin with. He is an emerging star, not a MADE star yet. That respect will come soon, but not right now. He needs to keep improving and continue his play for a few more years for the respect to kick in.

To your point about both can't be true. It can, depending on the situation. I find Pascal avoids contact when he attacks the basket facing up. When you face up, there is usually space between you and your defender. When he attacks, he tends to try to maintain that space to score instead of inviting the contact as he attacks the basket. Obviously when you're taking a jump shot, you want space, but when you're attacking the basket, you want contact. He avoids contact in his drives to the basket.

Now, playing with your back to the basket, there is usually contact as you try to back your man up and the defender is trying to hold his own. It is when he has his back to the basket, that he tries too hard to draw a foul and is usually unsuccessful. In part because he is not a post player and still needs a bit of work on how to maneuver down there. He also does not know how to draw fouls in the post or bait his post defender into committing a foul.

When Pascal gets fouled, it's usually the defender fouling him, rather than contact he created to draw the foul.
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Re: All Star Weekend Thread 

Post#1317 » by shmoosicle » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:01 pm

My takeaway impression watching the game was how bad Embiid was pushing the ball up or making any kind of move off a rebound. Very slow and uncertain with the ball, usually bringing it too low where it can be swiped.
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Post#1318 » by VancouverRaps » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:06 pm

I have to hand it to Silver and the rest of the NBA execs who planned this, that ASG format turned out to be pretty damn fun, and not as gimmicky as off-putting as I was expecting. The cynical part of me still wonders if the intensity was high simply because the players wanted to honour Kobe this year by going hard to try and win the game down the stretch.

Either way, I really enjoyed watching the best players in the world actually going hard and trying to win the game.
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Post#1319 » by And1+2 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:15 pm

Lowry gets so much flak from people who hardly understand basketball, it's hilarious.
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Post#1320 » by HangTime » Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:19 pm

I would have an adjusted target score, for each freethrow made in the 4th quarter. You don't move any closer, interms of differential, but the other team still loses ground.

This way, the game has to end on a non-freethrow.

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