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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#1301 » by dohboy_24 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:55 pm

lolwut wrote:The millions of people who got sick this year, and some of whom died of severe respiratory complications... Suppose they don't have COVID because the whole thing is a giant conspiracy. What did they have then? A stronger strain of the common cold? A new strain of the flu?

Just trying to understand where you're going with this line of reasoning.


Questioning the official narrative and general consensus does not make one a conspiracy theorist, nor should the questions they ask be alleged a conspiracy, but it's nice to know you guys care so much about me and the purpose or intent of my posts.

As I've stated before and will state again for those who've yet to fully absorb it, there are many aspects of this pandemic that don't appear what they seem upon closer inspection.

Should you simply take what you see on the TV, hear on the radio, read in the news, or consume online at face value, you're missing the forest for the trees and ignoring the massive iceberg below the waterline.

While that should go with having to be said, many would rather keep their head above the waterline, stricken by fear and consumed by the thought of what's below their feet than dive down to take a look and see what's going on.

Maybe it has something to do with me being an Aquarian, but I've got no problems sticking my head under the water to take a look around.

You'll be amazed by all of the weird and wonderful things you'll find below the surface, just watch out for the jellyfish - those stingers hurt and peeing on yourself isn't as easy as it sounds when there isn't another living soul for miles around :)
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Post#1302 » by dohboy_24 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:11 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Most studies have put the mortality rate at 1% (that was the estimate by most experts from day 1). As far as viral mortality rates go, that is incredibly high, and absolutely warrants widespread closures to the economy.


Are you just making a statement or do you have any facts to support your argument?

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SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095129/worldwide-fatality-rate-of-major-virus-outbreaks-in-the-last-50-years/

Among the most fatal virus outbreaks, one of the more recent was the MERS outbreak in 2012...

"The virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome, or MERS, sparked an outbreak in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and another in South Korea in 2015. The MERS virus belongs to the same family of viruses as SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, and likely originated in bats, as well. The disease infected camels before passing into humans and triggers fever, coughing and shortness of breath in infected people.

MERS often progresses to severe pneumonia and has an estimated mortality rate between 30% and 40%, making it the most lethal of the known coronaviruses that jumped from animals to people."

SOURCE: https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html

In the context of previous virus outbreaks, is the viral mortality rate for covid-19 as incredibly high as you state it is?

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Considering the previous MERS 2012 outbreak was about 20x as fatal as the current covid-19 outbreak and the economy was not shut down to thwart it's spread, how are the current closures, social distancing and lockdown measures absolutely warranted in light of a virus not nearly as deadly as one that did not require such measures?
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#1303 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:21 pm

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Raps in 4 wrote:
Most studies have put the mortality rate at 1% (that was the estimate by most experts from day 1). As far as viral mortality rates go, that is incredibly high, and absolutely warrants widespread closures to the economy.


Are you just making a statement or do you have any facts to support your argument?

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SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095129/worldwide-fatality-rate-of-major-virus-outbreaks-in-the-last-50-years/

Among the most fatal virus outbreaks, one of the more recent was the MERS outbreak in 2012...

"The virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome, or MERS, sparked an outbreak in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and another in South Korea in 2015. The MERS virus belongs to the same family of viruses as SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, and likely originated in bats, as well. The disease infected camels before passing into humans and triggers fever, coughing and shortness of breath in infected people.

MERS often progresses to severe pneumonia and has an estimated mortality rate between 30% and 40%, making it the most lethal of the known coronaviruses that jumped from animals to people."

SOURCE: https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html

In the context of previous virus outbreaks, is the viral mortality rate for covid-19 as incredibly high as you state it is?

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Considering the previous MERS 2012 outbreak was about 20x as fatal as the current covid-19 outbreak and the economy was not shut down to thwart it's spread, how are the current closures, social distancing and lockdown measures absolutely warranted in light of a virus not nearly as deadly as one that did not require such measures?


Why are you ignoring transmission rate? Due to its low transmission rate, MERS managed to kill just 866 people.
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Re: Official Covid-19 Discussion Thread 

Post#1304 » by lolwut » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:09 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:
lolwut wrote:The millions of people who got sick this year, and some of whom died of severe respiratory complications... Suppose they don't have COVID because the whole thing is a giant conspiracy. What did they have then? A stronger strain of the common cold? A new strain of the flu?

Just trying to understand where you're going with this line of reasoning.


Questioning the official narrative and general consensus does not make one a conspiracy theorist, nor should the questions they ask be alleged a conspiracy, but it's nice to know you guys care so much about me and the purpose or intent of my posts.

As I've stated before and will state again for those who've yet to fully absorb it, there are many aspects of this pandemic that don't appear what they seem upon closer inspection.

Should you simply take what you see on the TV, hear on the radio, read in the news, or consume online at face value, you're missing the forest for the trees and ignoring the massive iceberg below the waterline.

While that should go with having to be said, many would rather keep their head above the waterline, stricken by fear and consumed by the thought of what's below their feet than dive down to take a look and see what's going on.

Maybe it has something to do with me being an Aquarian, but I've got no problems sticking my head under the water to take a look around.

You'll be amazed by all of the weird and wonderful things you'll find below the surface, just watch out for the jellyfish - those stingers hurt and peeing on yourself isn't as easy as it sounds when there isn't another living soul for miles around :)

That's a lot of words, but you didn't actually answer anything.

This is not a localized phenomenon. Governments around the world took drastic measures to limit the spread of this thing, whatever it is. I'm assuming they had a good reason to do this, and I'm assuming that reason was to protect their citizens. And I'm assuming they took such measures based on recommendations from the worldwide scientific community.

If you're suggesting that there are other reasons (potentially malicious) for why countries around the world did what they did, then I'm all ears. What is this big iceberg that you found underneath the surface?
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Post#1305 » by execoftheyear » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:12 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Most studies have put the mortality rate at 1% (that was the estimate by most experts from day 1). As far as viral mortality rates go, that is incredibly high, and absolutely warrants widespread closures to the economy.


Are you just making a statement or do you have any facts to support your argument?

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SOURCE: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095129/worldwide-fatality-rate-of-major-virus-outbreaks-in-the-last-50-years/

Among the most fatal virus outbreaks, one of the more recent was the MERS outbreak in 2012...

"The virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome, or MERS, sparked an outbreak in Saudi Arabia in 2012 and another in South Korea in 2015. The MERS virus belongs to the same family of viruses as SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, and likely originated in bats, as well. The disease infected camels before passing into humans and triggers fever, coughing and shortness of breath in infected people.

MERS often progresses to severe pneumonia and has an estimated mortality rate between 30% and 40%, making it the most lethal of the known coronaviruses that jumped from animals to people."

SOURCE: https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html

In the context of previous virus outbreaks, is the viral mortality rate for covid-19 as incredibly high as you state it is?

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Considering the previous MERS 2012 outbreak was about 20x as fatal as the current covid-19 outbreak and the economy was not shut down to thwart it's spread, how are the current closures, social distancing and lockdown measures absolutely warranted in light of a virus not nearly as deadly as one that did not require such measures?


just do a little bit more research and look up the total number of cases/deaths MERS resulted in and you'll realize why lockdown measures were not necesary. MERS was no where near as infectious as COVID-19.
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Post#1306 » by Coach Smiley » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:25 pm

Hearing Ernie Johnson say there was less than 100 covid deaths in the u.s. when the NBA shut down really put it in context. Now it's 150,000 in July even with so called overreaching measures. Obviously these measures were not enough.
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Post#1307 » by Raps in 4 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:18 am

So apparently kids are going back to school in the fall? Israel did that, and now they're knee deep in a second wave (worse than the first one). We're easing up on restrictions way too early. Cases are going to spike hard in a month or two, prompting another closure.
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Post#1308 » by Westside Gunn » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:18 am

pardon my ignorance but Is it because Israel has a high population density? too many people and not enough space?

Canadians have been a lot more cautious and smarter, with the exception of Brampton and the government leaving the airports open for international arrivals.

israel always seemed like those european countries with houses all jumbled up together, which was one of the reasons why spain and italy were hit hard.
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Post#1309 » by mtcan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:25 am

Raps in 4 wrote:So apparently kids are going back to school in the fall? Israel did that, and now they're knee deep in a second wave (worse than the first one). We're easing up on restrictions way too early. Cases are going to spike hard in a month or two, prompting another closure.

Stephen Lecce is a boob. He has no idea what he is doing. I guess there will be no physical distancing enforced in kindergarten? No mention of reduced class sizes, adjusted hours, increased staff for sanitation. I don't want to get covid from my kid. **** that.

I honestly feel sorry for young kids who will get poked in the nose and throat for those awful covid-19 swabs many times throughout the school year. The moment your kid develops a fever, the sniffles, a sore throat or cough...they WILL be directed to get tested.

My child started at a summer camp a couple of weeks ago...complained of a sore throat by day #3 and according to the Ministry of Health's covid assessment tool...a sore throat is a reason to get tests. She was terrified after getting a swab in each nostril and deep into the throat. Fortunately she was negative...but there will be a lot of testing done because during cold and flu season...kids just get these symptoms and it may or may not be covid.
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Post#1310 » by Ackshun » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:57 am

Raps in 4 wrote:So apparently kids are going back to school in the fall? Israel did that, and now they're knee deep in a second wave (worse than the first one). We're easing up on restrictions way too early. Cases are going to spike hard in a month or two, prompting another closure.


Yup. My business opened up 7 days ago in stage three. A few other provinces opened up a few weeks earlier.

Now, 10% of our locations has been forced to temporarily shut down due to outbreaks.
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Post#1311 » by Ackshun » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:00 am

mtcan wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:So apparently kids are going back to school in the fall? Israel did that, and now they're knee deep in a second wave (worse than the first one). We're easing up on restrictions way too early. Cases are going to spike hard in a month or two, prompting another closure.

Stephen Lecce is a boob. He has no idea what he is doing. I guess there will be no physical distancing enforced in kindergarten? No mention of reduced class sizes, adjusted hours, increased staff for sanitation. I don't want to get covid from my kid. **** that.

I honestly feel sorry for young kids who will get poked in the nose and throat for those awful covid-19 swabs many times throughout the school year. The moment your kid develops a fever, the sniffles, a sore throat or cough...they WILL be directed to get tested.

My child started at a summer camp a couple of weeks ago...complained of a sore throat by day #3 and according to the Ministry of Health's covid assessment tool...a sore throat is a reason to get tests. She was terrified after getting a swab in each nostril and deep into the throat. Fortunately she was negative...but there will be a lot of testing done because during cold and flu season...kids just get these symptoms and it may or may not be covid.


Yeah Lecce is a career politician. Knows nothing about the education system I think.

Anyhow, I wish we just moved the school year. Teach a bit outdoors in the spring/summer/early fall, shut down for November/December. Do a little hybrid learning for January-March.
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Post#1312 » by dohboy_24 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:20 pm

lolwut wrote:That's a lot of words, but you didn't actually answer anything.

This is not a localized phenomenon. Governments around the world took drastic measures to limit the spread of this thing, whatever it is. I'm assuming they had a good reason to do this, and I'm assuming that reason was to protect their citizens. And I'm assuming they took such measures based on recommendations from the worldwide scientific community.


The proverb might have been more popular before your time, but "When you assume, you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me" and that's exactly why I'd rather not make assumptions, but seek the answers for myself.

If I asked you last summer if you thought the government of this country, the government of another country, or any of the governments throughout the world could be trusted to have the best interests of their citizens in mind when setting policies, enforcing laws and regulations, etc. and not the corporations and not-for-profit organizations operating within their borders and beyond, would you say "100% Yes" or would you doubt the world's elected officials would side in favor of your interests should they oppose the corporate and non-profit donors supporting them?

You can assume they'd have your best interests in mind, but you'd be making an "ass" out of "u" and "me" in the process because, in reality, our government elected officials, the same as those throughout the world, continue to side in favor of those with the dollars who support their campaigns, not the voting public whose favor and appeal can be manipulated much more easily.

If not, they're replaced after their first term is up with the next guy who gets a chance to play ball in the big leagues.

Dr. Fauci has been the director of the NIAID since 1984. Were you even alive then?

Think about what that means for him to hold a position as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for 36 years.

This guy's hands are so slippery from greasing up deals for his supporters, he couldn't help but throw a screwball when he launched the first pitch of the game from the mound the other day.

lolwut wrote:If you're suggesting that there are other reasons (potentially malicious) for why countries around the world did what they did, then I'm all ears. What is this big iceberg that you found underneath the surface?


Not suggesting there is malicious intent. To those who stand to gain financially from the outcomes of these events, the profits they're earning and stand to earn are all the motivation needed.

Should a simple, effective, and cheaply available remedy such as hydroxychloroquine truly be an effective early-onset treatment for covid-19 the same as it has been for other viruses of similar classification, the revenues of those already profiting from this pandemic and those who stand to gain from future remedies and treatments that would be made available in replacement of HCQ would be catastrophic to their business.

Do you really think those who've positioned themselves to gain financially from this are going to hand over the reins that easily?

Recognition of what is happening is the first step. You are being deceived, the only question is to which degree and for which purpose other than money and power should there be one.

Whether you're allowing it to happen by your own ignorance or not, the truth is not what you're being told by those who stand to gain the most from your acceptance of what your being told and compliance to it.
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Post#1313 » by dohboy_24 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:24 pm

execoftheyear wrote:
just do a little bit more research and look up the total number of cases/deaths MERS resulted in and you'll realize why lockdown measures were not necesary. MERS was no where near as infectious as COVID-19.


Correct. Mortality rate is not the only factor to consider, but I wasn't the one suggesting it was "incredibly high, and absolutely warrant[ed] widespread closures to the economy" as Raps in 4 had so misleadingly in his response.
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Post#1314 » by dohboy_24 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:26 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:Why are you ignoring transmission rate? Due to its low transmission rate, MERS managed to kill just 866 people.


Correct. Mortality rate is not the only factor to consider, but I wasn't the one suggesting it was "incredibly high, and absolutely warrant[ed] widespread closures to the economy" as you had so misleadingly in your response.
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Post#1315 » by NBA Sheady » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:47 pm

Imagine taking a phrase that is obviously ridiculous hyperbole such as: "economy closed" and then when google doesn't have matches you think that indicates something.
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Post#1316 » by Fairview4Life » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:50 pm

MadDogSHWA wrote:Imagine taking a phrase that is obviously ridiculous hyperbole such as: "economy closed" and then when google doesn't have matches you think that indicates something.


Imagine essentially writing "research for yourselves, sheeple" in 2020 lol.
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Post#1317 » by execoftheyear » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:59 pm

dohboy_24 wrote:
execoftheyear wrote:
just do a little bit more research and look up the total number of cases/deaths MERS resulted in and you'll realize why lockdown measures were not necesary. MERS was no where near as infectious as COVID-19.


Correct. Mortality rate is not the only factor to consider, but I wasn't the one suggesting it was "incredibly high, and absolutely warrant[ed] widespread closures to the economy" as Raps in 4 had so misleadingly in his response.


lol so what was your point? What was the point in comparing it to MERS when you knew that?

That's like people having a debate on who the NBA GOAT is and you bring 13 game Bargnani into the discussion.
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Post#1318 » by dohboy_24 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:49 pm

MadDogSHWA wrote:Imagine taking a phrase that is obviously ridiculous hyperbole such as: "economy closed" and then when google doesn't have matches you think that indicates something.


Seemed to be a particularly valid response when Fairview4Life was using it to suggest the virus had been isolated without the addition of foreign genetic material, why is it suddenly not as valid when I choose to apply the same hyperbole?
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Post#1319 » by dohboy_24 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:52 pm

execoftheyear wrote:
lol so what was your point? What was the point in comparing it to MERS when you knew that?

That's like people having a debate on who the NBA GOAT is and you bring 13 game Bargnani into the discussion.


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Post#1320 » by Fairview4Life » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:53 pm

lol, the **** are you even talking about?
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