With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[B-Ball Freak]

Lol y'all getting trolled by this dude with 55 posts from Boston.

Yeah, took a look at his profile and just assumed he's here to piss people off.

His "If Scottie doesn't average 20/8/10" new topic was the cherry on top of the troll pie. I think Westbrook has done it twice and Harden once, and those are the only guys in the past few decades to post those averages.

For anybody who cares to check (just click through the different years):

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&CF=PTS*GE*20:REB*GE*8:AST*GE*10&Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

It's so obvious too he's such a horrible troll lmfao, i'm surprised a couple of posters on here took the bait

[DreamTeam09]

OG's prime is literally still 3 years away.

30 years old is prime? Since when? Prime is 25-30.

OG is 24, in 3 years he'll be 27. You don't know anything about the team or its players. Time for you to take some time off.

Can't talk to ppl like that after they out themselves like that. Being open to learning and admitting you don't know is the real sign of intelligence

[Jcity08]

I really hope the 3 ball starts going in for him soon, because my man is shooting 0% from 3 on almost 2 attempts per game. The form looks good, I think he just needs to see the ball go in and the confidence will start to build from there.

If he starts hitting the 3 at even a halfway decent clip at low to medium volume, he's a 18 ppg player.

I hope he also looks to get to the line more, he has it in him to draw fouls.

[Spicy P]

Lol y'all getting trolled by this dude with 55 posts from Boston.

Judging by his post history, he’s not even a Raptors fan and appears to be a Celtics fan who created an account to specifically troll Raptors fans. He really needs to get a life.

[Reeko]

I really hope the 3 ball starts going in for him soon, because my man is shooting 0% from 3 on almost 2 attempts per game. The form looks good, I think he just needs to see the ball go in and the confidence will start to build from there.

I can only remember 1 attempt and it was catch and shoot. Looked REALLY bad but that might have just been a preparation mistake.

Judging from our other players taking "night school" for shooting...it'll probably be a year or 2 til we see strides in 3 point shooting. Norm and OG both took around 2 years if memory serves.

I've posted about my own shooting progress. I'm up to 50% from college 3's now. Been a year since i became obsessed. Started at 40% from FT line. Up to 75-80% now. 1 to 2 hours per day. Around 150 shots per day and i count all makes/misses. My gf has grown to resent it lol.

One thing i've learned....if i'm having a bad day....go back to the FT line to figure out what's wrong.

I'm not expecting him to shoot 35% from 3 this season, and honestly if he were to hit over 30% for the season I would be stunned. But if he could hit at 27% clip, I'd be good with it. I think it will be equally important for him to refine his ability to get to his spots and make shots in the mid range.

It's really hard to compare him to anybody, but in his prime he would be some sort of blend between Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, and Draymond. I know it's almost absurd to say those three players, but it's a blend of some of their positive and negative qualities ie Kawhi and Jimmy's mid range game, Draymond and Jimmy's inconsistent 3pt shooting, Draymond's passing (I actually think Scottie will surpass him in this respect) and his defensive style but maybe a bit more perimeter oriented, and Kawhi's rebounding. So in his prime he would theoretically be in that 22-25ppg, 6-8apg, 6-8rpg. Those are fairly lofty numbers (especially the scoring #s) but I think it's possible, we're already seeing how well rounded he is as a rookie.

[anotherhomer]

The Raptors need him to dominate now. Not 3-4 years from now. That’s a waste of Siakam and OG’s prime years.

Mobley is the player that Raps wanted, but he wouldn't had dominated right away....he still needs 2-3 years to hit his stride.

I'm curious what that package looked like. I remember hearing they made an offer.

Maybe 4, our 2 seconds and Boucher? I'm guessing it was more than that.

Cavs were expecting any package to reflect the perceived gap Mobley (CB4/AD) and Suggs/Barnes (Jrue/Draymond).

In otherwords, a big package

[djsunyc]

The Raptors need him to dominate now. Not 3-4 years from now. That’s a waste of Siakam and OG’s prime years.

OG's prime is literally still 3 years away.

30 years old is prime? Since when? Prime is 25-30.

this is tough to discuss bc you have a pov and wont budge. its not a discussion, its my opinion, your opinion, rinse, repeat.

what were the ages of our top 8 guys when we won the chip in 2019?

all that talk about age/prime and how it's wasted is nonsense.

[Madhouse]

Lol y'all getting trolled by this dude with 55 posts from Boston.

Judging by his post history, he’s not even a Raptors fan and appears to be a Celtics fan who created an account to specifically troll Raptors fans. He really needs to get a life.

He is clearly just a bad troll.

[Dalek]

I think with a lottery pick the expectation is that the player is dominant if it is a lottery player. This draft had about 3 players at the top that most people felt were the consensus top players. One draft site I keep thinking about (Front Office Gurus) uses an interesting way to frame the teams and their potential draft approach and I think it applies well to Scottie Barnes.

Their three broad classifications: SWING, STABILITY or HYBRID

Spoiler:

Teams opting for a SWING selection may fall in the following categories.

Seeking to rebuild due to a lack of direction and cornerstone players.
Well-structured with depth and minimal cap space, planning for the future beyond their cornerstones.
2021 Primary Examples

Houston Rockets
OKC Thunder
Detroit Pistons
Utah Jazz
Teams opting for a STABILIZER selection may fall in the following categories.

Contesting franchises looking to add instant impact production between and around their solidified stars.
Restructuring franchises comprised of a high percentage of youth, swing prospects still in development phases.
2021 Primary Examples

New Orleans Pelicans
Boston Celtics
Atlanta Hawks
Orlando Magic
Teams opting for a HYBRID selection may fall in the following categories.

Teams in a gloomy area – not necessarily competing but their high level players are near or in their peak, making it difficult to enter a rebuild.
2021 Primary Examples

Toronto Raptors
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
San Antonio Spurs

https://frontofficegurus.com/the-fog-aggregate-model/

Toronto is very much a HYBRID type of team that can compete now because we have a bunch of really good players in their primes. Scottie Barnes is classified as a HYBRID type and it basically means that he is ready to go with a team constructed like ours. A HYBRID is kind of caught between being ready to contribute now but has some upside to grow into something more down the line.

A guy like Jalen Green is a SWING because Houston doesn't have anything defined and he has high upside to be a star player and there is no rush for them to win. He can basically play his way into being a contributor but there is a bust possibility that he just ends up a bench scorer type.

A guy like Franz Wagner is a STABILITY player because you know what you are getting and he isn't a guy with a ton of upside, but will be very solid for the team and be a playoff rotation role player.

Barnes is in a group of a couple similar types of players that I liked in the draft, even at four: Moses Moody and Trey Murphy.

Both these guys should be decent role players out of the gate with probably more shooting upside than Scottie, but I think they could end up star players if they develop correctly. I'd put Scottie in a class all his own with his playmaking and skill on defense.

The reason why I mention it, is he is not going to be like a typical SWING for the fences type of pick. He is a guy that is going to a connector for the team and will help in all the little ways to make us win. Honestly, with Fred, OG, Trent Jr. and Pascal they just need a guy to help with everything but scoring. So the box score numbers may not be like Russell Westbrook right away. But, his size, IQ and skill I think mean he is destined for some great things in a couple years when we transition the team over to him when he is ready for the next step.

[Madhouse]

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[everdiso]

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Weren't like 4 of his turnovers in games?

[hype_2004]

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We have a great one here folks, is he already a better passer than LeBron in his rookie year? Eye test sure says that he is or on par with LeBron.

[Clay Davis]

I think with a lottery pick the expectation is that the player is dominant if it is a lottery player. This draft had about 3 players at the top that most people felt were the consensus top players. One draft site I keep thinking about (Front Office Gurus) uses an interesting way to frame the teams and their potential draft approach and I think it applies well to Scottie Barnes.

Their three broad classifications: SWING, STABILITY or HYBRID

Spoiler:

Teams opting for a SWING selection may fall in the following categories.

Seeking to rebuild due to a lack of direction and cornerstone players.
Well-structured with depth and minimal cap space, planning for the future beyond their cornerstones.
2021 Primary Examples

Houston Rockets
OKC Thunder
Detroit Pistons
Utah Jazz
Teams opting for a STABILIZER selection may fall in the following categories.

Contesting franchises looking to add instant impact production between and around their solidified stars.
Restructuring franchises comprised of a high percentage of youth, swing prospects still in development phases.
2021 Primary Examples

New Orleans Pelicans
Boston Celtics
Atlanta Hawks
Orlando Magic
Teams opting for a HYBRID selection may fall in the following categories.

Teams in a gloomy area – not necessarily competing but their high level players are near or in their peak, making it difficult to enter a rebuild.
2021 Primary Examples

Toronto Raptors
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
San Antonio Spurs

https://frontofficegurus.com/the-fog-aggregate-model/

Toronto is very much a HYBRID type of team that can compete now because we have a bunch of really good players in their primes. Scottie Barnes is classified as a HYBRID type and it basically means that he is ready to go with a team constructed like ours. A HYBRID is kind of caught between being ready to contribute now but has some upside to grow into something more down the line.

A guy like Jalen Green is a SWING because Houston doesn't have anything defined and he has high upside to be a star player and there is no rush for them to win. He can basically play his way into being a contributor but there is a bust possibility that he just ends up a bench scorer type.

A guy like Franz Wagner is a STABILITY player because you know what you are getting and he isn't a guy with a ton of upside, but will be very solid for the team and be a playoff rotation role player.

Barnes is in a group of a couple similar types of players that I liked in the draft, even at four: Moses Moody and Trey Murphy.

Both these guys should be decent role players out of the gate with probably more shooting upside than Scottie, but I think they could end up star players if they develop correctly. I'd put Scottie in a class all his own with his playmaking and skill on defense.

The reason why I mention it, is he is not going to be like a typical SWING for the fences type of pick. He is a guy that is going to a connector for the team and will help in all the little ways to make us win. Honestly, with Fred, OG, Trent Jr. and Pascal they just need a guy to help with everything but scoring. So the box score numbers may not be like Russell Westbrook right away. But, his size, IQ and skill I think mean he is destined for some great things in a couple years when we transition the team over to him when he is ready for the next step.

What's Suggs?

[dgr81]

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[Dino-Might]

This is all nonsense. Ask any smart GM and they will all tell you the same thing.

There is only one approach to take, particularly in the lottery. You always draft best player available - meaning the one you think will be best in 3 or so years.

Things such as risk and potential are all calculated as part of this assessment of BPA.

I think with a lottery pick the expectation is that the player is dominant if it is a lottery player. This draft had about 3 players at the top that most people felt were the consensus top players. One draft site I keep thinking about (Front Office Gurus) usese an interesting way to frame the teams and their potential draft approach and I think it applies well to Scottie Barnes.

Their three broad classifications: SWING, STABILITY or HYBRID

Spoiler:

Teams opting for a SWING selection may fall in the following categories.

Seeking to rebuild due to a lack of direction and cornerstone players.
Well-structured with depth and minimal cap space, planning for the future beyond their cornerstones.
2021 Primary Examples

Houston Rockets
OKC Thunder
Detroit Pistons
Utah Jazz
Teams opting for a STABILIZER selection may fall in the following categories.

Contesting franchises looking to add instant impact production between and around their solidified stars.
Restructuring franchises comprised of a high percentage of youth, swing prospects still in development phases.
2021 Primary Examples

New Orleans Pelicans
Boston Celtics
Atlanta Hawks
Orlando Magic
Teams opting for a HYBRID selection may fall in the following categories.

Teams in a gloomy area – not necessarily competing but their high level players are near or in their peak, making it difficult to enter a rebuild.
2021 Primary Examples

Toronto Raptors
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
San Antonio Spurs

https://frontofficegurus.com/the-fog-aggregate-model/

Toronto is very much a HYBRID type of team that can compete now because we have a bunch of really good players in their primes. Scottie Barnes is classified as a HYBRID type and it basically means that he is ready to go with a team constructed like ours. A HYBRID is kind of caught between being ready to contribute now but has some upside to grow into something more down the line.

A guy like Jalen Green is a SWING because Houston doesn't have anything defined and he has high upside to be a star player and there is no rush for them to win. He can basically play his way into being a contributor but there is a bust possibility that he just ends up a bench scorer type.

A guy like Franz Wagner is a STABILITY player because you know what you are getting and he isn't a guy with a ton of upside, but will be very solid for the team and be a playoff rotation role player.

Barnes is in a group of a couple similar types of players that I liked in the draft, even at four: Moses Moody and Trey Murphy.

Both these guys should be decent role players out of the gate with probably more shooting upside than Scottie, but I think they could end up star players if they develop correctly. I'd put Scottie in a class all his own with his playmaking and skill on defense.

The reason why I mention it, is he is not going to be like a typical SWING for the fences type of pick. He is a guy that is going to a connector for the team and will help in all the little ways to make us win. Honestly, with Fred, OG, Trent Jr. and Pascal they just need a guy to help with everything but scoring. So the box score numbers may not be like Russell Westbrook right away. But, his size, IQ and skill I think mean he is destined for some great things in a couple years when we transition the team over to him when he is ready for the next step.

[C.Boshly]

I think with a lottery pick the expectation is that the player is dominant if it is a lottery player. This draft had about 3 players at the top that most people felt were the consensus top players. One draft site I keep thinking about (Front Office Gurus) uses an interesting way to frame the teams and their potential draft approach and I think it applies well to Scottie Barnes.

Their three broad classifications: SWING, STABILITY or HYBRID

Spoiler:

Teams opting for a SWING selection may fall in the following categories.

Seeking to rebuild due to a lack of direction and cornerstone players.
Well-structured with depth and minimal cap space, planning for the future beyond their cornerstones.
2021 Primary Examples

Houston Rockets
OKC Thunder
Detroit Pistons
Utah Jazz
Teams opting for a STABILIZER selection may fall in the following categories.

Contesting franchises looking to add instant impact production between and around their solidified stars.
Restructuring franchises comprised of a high percentage of youth, swing prospects still in development phases.
2021 Primary Examples

New Orleans Pelicans
Boston Celtics
Atlanta Hawks
Orlando Magic
Teams opting for a HYBRID selection may fall in the following categories.

Teams in a gloomy area – not necessarily competing but their high level players are near or in their peak, making it difficult to enter a rebuild.
2021 Primary Examples

Toronto Raptors
Chicago Bulls
Indiana Pacers
San Antonio Spurs

https://frontofficegurus.com/the-fog-aggregate-model/

Toronto is very much a HYBRID type of team that can compete now because we have a bunch of really good players in their primes. Scottie Barnes is classified as a HYBRID type and it basically means that he is ready to go with a team constructed like ours. A HYBRID is kind of caught between being ready to contribute now but has some upside to grow into something more down the line.

A guy like Jalen Green is a SWING because Houston doesn't have anything defined and he has high upside to be a star player and there is no rush for them to win. He can basically play his way into being a contributor but there is a bust possibility that he just ends up a bench scorer type.

A guy like Franz Wagner is a STABILITY player because you know what you are getting and he isn't a guy with a ton of upside, but will be very solid for the team and be a playoff rotation role player.

Barnes is in a group of a couple similar types of players that I liked in the draft, even at four: Moses Moody and Trey Murphy.

Both these guys should be decent role players out of the gate with probably more shooting upside than Scottie, but I think they could end up star players if they develop correctly. I'd put Scottie in a class all his own with his playmaking and skill on defense.

The reason why I mention it, is he is not going to be like a typical SWING for the fences type of pick. He is a guy that is going to a connector for the team and will help in all the little ways to make us win. Honestly, with Fred, OG, Trent Jr. and Pascal they just need a guy to help with everything but scoring. So the box score numbers may not be like Russell Westbrook right away. But, his size, IQ and skill I think mean he is destined for some great things in a couple years when we transition the team over to him when he is ready for the next step.

What's Suggs?

BUST

[Duffman100]

He’s 20. Averaging almost 6 assists per game in preseason. He’s just fine.

[Basketball_Jones]

His IQ for shooting and overall trying to score isn’t good right now. In stark contrast, his passing IQ is off the charts. Sees things two steps ahead, and needs to somehow employ that level of thinking to his shooting.

[djsunyc]

His IQ for shooting and overall trying to score isn’t good right now. In stark contrast, his passing IQ is off the charts. Sees things two steps ahead, and needs to somehow employ that level of thinking to his shooting.

i dont see him forcing alot of bad shots. alot of his jumpers are clean looks. his footwork is a bit off on some post ups but thats it.

[Madhouse]

His IQ for shooting and overall trying to score isn’t good right now. In stark contrast, his passing IQ is off the charts. Sees things two steps ahead, and needs to somehow employ that level of thinking to his shooting.

He just misses. Yesterday he missed 2,3 easy ones around the rim he should have made. But not bad shots.