Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

C-R-E-A-M- · Post #1301 » by **C-R-E-A-M-** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 1:58 pm

Suggs will be the new Marcus Smart

Post #1302 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 2:49 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:The crazy part for me, is that if he keeps working on his shot he could be a 36% shooter this year.

If he's an inside out player like that...that's top five(in time).

With his mechanics and the confidence he's showing so far, it wouldn't be unreasonable to see 34-36% from him this year, which would remain a considerable boost to his scoring game, for sure.

Brinbe · Post #1303 » by **Brinbe** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:19 pm

You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

MikeM · Post #1304 » by **MikeM** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:29 pm

I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

Mikistan · Post #1305 » by **Mikistan** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:32 pm

Brinbe wrote:You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

Just need a wade and bosh to join him and maybe a ray Allen

LastNameEver · Post #1306 » by **LastNameEver** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:39 pm

Barnes has to forget he missed the previous three when he shoots another, if its a good look just shoot it like you expect to make them. The stars dont worry about the previous shot.

Tha Cynic · Post #1307 » by **Tha Cynic** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:42 pm

Brinbe wrote:You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

And that model also includes another ballhandler who can initiate the offense. He has always advocated for one to play with him.

They need to get Barnes a running mate who can bring the ball up and relieve him of ballhandling duties.

Who will be that Wade or Kyrie.

Stromile12 · Post #1308 » by **Stromile12** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:47 pm

We would be unwatchable if it weren't for Scottie

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #1309 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:48 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
Brinbe wrote:You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

And that model also includes another ballhandler who can initiate the offense. He has always advocated for one to play with him.

They need to get Barnes a running mate who can bring the ball up and relieve him of ballhandling duties.

Who will be that Wade or Kyrie.

We'll be lucky enough to get the 3 point shooters.. one step at a time! we'll get that after

billy_hoyle · Post #1310 » by **billy_hoyle** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:52 pm

MikeM wrote:I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

But who is this stretch 5?

I don't see any available

LoveMyRaps · Post #1311 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:53 pm

billy_hoyle wrote:
MikeM wrote:I like Jak but if you play Scottie with a stretch 5, the league is ****

But who is this stretch 5?

I don't see any available

BONJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUR

Mikistan · Post #1312 » by **Mikistan** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:55 pm

Scottie keeps up the shooting he IS the stretch 5

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1313 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:59 pm

The volume guys off the bench (Dick, Trent) are firing up blanks. Our spacers aren't making anyone pay. I'm gonna assume Gradey won't be a total bust this year and that Trent will return to his norms.

The Raptors are also dead last in pace, which seems opposite of what they were doing in the pre-season. A lot of these possessions are sweaty half-court opportunities.

Brinbe · Post #1314 » by **Brinbe** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:03 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
Brinbe wrote:You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

And that model also includes another ballhandler who can initiate the offense. He has always advocated for one to play with him.

They need to get Barnes a running mate who can bring the ball up and relieve him of ballhandling duties.

Who will be that Wade or Kyrie.

Absolutely. Imagine a guy like a player like Maxey running with Scottie? Someone that is a threat from long-range but can ably attack the rim if closed out on or pass it along to another open player. That was always the idea behind trading Siakam was finding a young, developing guard that betters complements Scottie/OG longterm. Get a POA/3 pt shooting 2nd guard and a stretch big in there and you already have a proven model of success.

Easier said than done of course, but that's what they should be trying to do to maximize what they have with a young budding superstar in Barnes.

The time for overall team evaluation is over.

HumbleRen · Post #1315 » by **HumbleRen** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:03 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
Brinbe wrote:You gotta follow the LeBron team building model with a guy like Scottie. Surround that guy with knockdown shooters/defenders. Because he'll find them if/when teams start to double him.

And that model also includes another ballhandler who can initiate the offense. He has always advocated for one to play with him.

They need to get Barnes a running mate who can bring the ball up and relieve him of ballhandling duties.

Who will be that Wade or Kyrie.

Masai’s lack of prioritization of the guard spot is going to be his downfall.

Almost every rebuilding team in the league has a promising lead guard with high upside while we have a 30 year old Dennis and Malachi Flynn, and I mean no offence to Dennis because he’s been amazing for us for a MLE pick up but man..

Siakam and OG both had the benefit of playing with Lowry who helped facilitate and cultivate their growth as players by putting them in amazing spots to succeed. Meanwhile Scottie is put in an environment where the roster around him is probably the exact opposite of the ideal scenario for a player of his skill set.

Steelo Green · Post #1316 » by **Steelo Green** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:04 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Need Scottie to work with Paolo in the summer in how to grift for fouls.

That might be the one thing that stops Scottie from being an all star player this year. 3-4 FT's a game is not enough from your #1 option if Siakam continues to play like this.

Weren't we told Scottie would be worse without them.

sidsid · Post #1317 » by **sidsid** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:04 pm

Listening to the Sampson post game show and Nekias Duncan chimes in the chat with Scottie at C Q. Sampson brings up that we should be doing the dribble hand-offs sets (hub stuff). That Scottie fits better at C than Siakam or Boucher. Blah blah. Bunch of stuff we're still not doing.

It's possible Darko is doing a slow roll-out on all this stuff and giving other guys a chance in this, but if a bunch of guys on a couch can clearly see how this team should be structured it shouldn't take this long for the coach to start steering in the right direction.

Brinbe · Post #1318 » by **Brinbe** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:13 pm

Mikistan wrote:Scottie keeps up the shooting he IS the stretch 5

That's definitely part of what makes Scottie a special player but I don't think we'd actually want him playing a 5 on the defensive end and having him have to hold his own/bang with bigger bodies like that, at least on a regular basis. He'll just get worn down. We've literally already seen a year of that knowing its limitations and we've seen that players like Yak do have value in that regard even if he does limit us in other ways at times.

The only issue with Yak is his limited range, unfortunately (And the FTs). A guy JV probably would workout ev en if he was quite a bit less defensively versatile.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1319 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:14 pm

Can't put Scottie at C for anything other than spot minutes. Long-term it would be a stupid decision. He's only getting these reps because Achiuwa is hurt.

Madvillainy2004 · Post #1320 » by **Madvillainy2004** » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:16 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:The volume guys off the bench (Dick, Trent) are firing up blanks. Our spacers aren't making anyone pay. I'm gonna assume Gradey won't be a total bust this year and that Trent will return to his norms.

The Raptors are also dead last in pace, which seems opposite of what they were doing in the pre-season. A lot of these possessions are sweaty half-court opportunities.

Sweaty halfcourt possessions for the worst halfcourt offense in the league by a decent amount lol